codeberg doesn't have much crap in it yes, but also, it looks like it might be one of the more user friendly ones that is libre.

That was why I suggested it.

Owned by microsoft yes, but if you think gitlab is better, no it is not. Its owned by google if I recall correctly.

Codeberg however is good.

It is like systemd in that its being pushed hard and its buggy supposedly too.

As for the more problematic parts of systemd, you are correct that wayland isn't like systemd in those ways.

Still, its mega buggy and for this reason, I will avoid it as long as possible.

If you don't think its being pushed hard, try to remove wayland and its libraries completely from devuan and see how that goes. Hint, it will remove way too much!

Wayland is much like systemd, in the sense that its being forced down people's throats when the better thing to do would be to send it packing. Bullies tend to force stuff down peoples' throats.

Systemd
dbus
wayland
pulseaudio
pipewire
avahi
networkmanager
java
etc...

When something depends on a library connected to the above yet would work otherwise if the devs weren't so stupid and made it a forced dependency despite not needing it, that is a sign that you are dealing with a bully trying to manipulate and control you into using what they want you to use when they should just get lost instead.

How fast does a raspberry pi 5 run off of a micro sd card btw? I know how sluggish the first one is, but I don't know how fast the other four/five are, depends if you including the zero.

openrc less than 20K vs systemd 790K

Facepalm.jpeg

Aye...

almost 40x bigger...

simply amazing...

in all the wrong ways though...

@quickfur point taken, but either way, would be surprised if the more complex code didn't have more lines of code usually.

Systemd for example has 1 million lines of code vs openrc which has like less than 100000 lines of code.

Its like wtf lol.

Gnome and minimalism go together like the idea of drinking sewer water and being healthy go in the same sentence.

aka, an oxymoron.

Btw, what determines if something is minimalistic is how much it taxes the system on ram and cpu, more than the line of code.

Although, if you have complex code and a lot of it being used, the ram usage and cpu usage is bound to go WAY UP.

So... yeah.

Feel free to disagree, but that's my view.

@chomwitt yeah, mnt reform looks interesting. As for the rms witch hunt, it is definitely suspicious that gnome devs, redhat and microsoft were the main groups that signed that letter. Some debian people too, but they were the minority if i recall correctly. Also google as well.

Right, like I will ever trust proprietary software vendors to make good judgment calls.

As for searx, it can be used without google as one of the feeds.

@golinux just to respond to your comment to mine, that does seem random. Although so does the second comment to be honest.

@quickfur honestly, don't think Google has better search results than DuckDuckgo. Maybe the meta search engine searx, it might, I don't know.

The more time passes, the more I wonder if they haven't made it worse. I hear they filter search results based on their own motives and they block access to older pages after a certain point. Not sure how many search engines do that, but duckduckgo, has always had similar if not better results.

You can do what you please of course, but like golinux said, they are a destructive evil corporation that doesn't need to be fed. I lost some faith in humanity when I saw 70% of the world uses Google as their search engine.

Like the world isn't feeding their data towers enough... and by doing so, hurting the environment and I think every time that is done, people's brains over time deteriorate due to the climate. 

But yeah, on a positive note, very entertaining gibberish I will say.

@golinux (again) Btw, when I said 2nd comment, I meant on the link you mentioned, ie, soren's comment.

Yeah, I am gonna go on a limb and say that, ratpoison must take patience to learn to use, given that a mouse isn't used.

Btw, I don't use a touchpad or mouse, I use a trackpoint

Which does function like a mouse.

I see, that sounds about right.

I like JWM because of the desktop look and still having the blessings of i3-wm where key bindings exist, etc...

Also, the ability to start up applications when you log into JWM. i3-wm can do that as well ofc.

Long story short, these things are really awesome features to me.

When I think of "modern" I think of LXQT, LXDE, MATE AND EVEN MORE SO, Cinnamon, GNOME, KDE, BUDGIE, UNITY, UKUI and other similar or more bloated desktops.

Whoever thought the tablet look was a good idea, has rocks in their head more than brains. Just sayin...