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@golinux you said in #2
https://devuan.org/os/development-kit is an obsolete page. How did you find it?
- that is true but still available by direct url
it also happens to match this https://devuan.org/os/development which is reached by clicking on the "Development" tab at the top of the webpage.
Early in 2016 there was an https://devuan.org/os/development-kit page. That page was well indexed in search engines. But by the time of the Stable release it was obsolete and rather than delete the page, it is now redirected to https://devuan.org/os/development. Then the development-kit was renamed to distro-kit and a new page with the currect information was written.
then you say:
Please go to https://devuan.org/os/distro-kit for the most recent information. There you'll find this link to the current sdk info:
which is true ---BUT that link is not available on the
/devuan.org/ main page or the //devuan.org/os page
Why should there be a link on the index page which focuses on how to get and install Devuan? It has no place there. Same holds true for the os page which talks about how an os works.
There is a link on the https://devuan.org/os/development page - - - reached by the 'Development' tab at the top so the url is a little confusing - you don't find it in the contents of the 'os' page
Not trying to make excuses but . . . even though I worked on the styling of the site, I had little to do with setting up the site structure. I inherited what was in place when I took over the site early this year, It is a well-established site so it would be unwise to restructure it at this point. So we're trying to work around it but at the same time simplify the site structure and remove redundancies.
semantics ?? I don't know - I would have thought that each tab at the top would have its own folder /os /development /community
I don't disagree with that and would have done it differently if I had been in charge when it was locked into place.
@zenkaon . . . free free to edit your post to add the code tags. There is a line of formatting options above the input box that will do Just that with one mouse click. ![]()
Maybe take it to irc?
Anyone object to my nuking this OT chit chat?
Here:
How many moons does our planet have?
How many letters are there in the word apple?
The idea is to make them not esoteric and also not time sensitive.
Who is the president of Russia/USA/etc.?
That's more on the right track but unfortunately bots can usually figure out number questions in milliseconds (at least it feels that way). Only one bot has gotten through the current system in over 6 months so it works quite well. And IMO it's less annoying than those picture captchas that you have to cycle through. And politics is a no-go . . .
golinux wrote:- what linux distro forced to use systemd?
This one is getting lost in 'translation grammar'.
The wording of this question is not clear so I'm not sure whether you're asking:
1. what linux distro forced (the) use of systemd? RedHat? Debian? etc.
2. what linux distro forced (who?) to use systemd? Users? Downstream distros? etc.
And the conclusion of 'forced' is just not true even though it feels like it. Life is about CHOICE. 'They' made theirs and 'we' made ours. Plus, it's always a good idea to keep to the facts and not embellish with judgmental filters. ![]()
The last one is the best, On the right track but no cigar quite yet.
I'm glad I only have to register once then.
LOL! Well, I'm happy you got through the question gauntlet. Enjoy your stay here. ![]()
I'll leave the technical details to you but I do know that is not the right slim panel. You can download the latest version of the slim theme here. Note the lighter bg color of the input box, different 'login' font and the addition of an F1 message. Username name prompt (and others) appear in #dad9dc over the input box with this theme. You might want to consider the session info placement in relation to the F1 message on the panel too:

Yeah, it's BIG . . .
OK enough idle chatter. Maybe you could take your personal frustrations to a pm on irc?
We need some women on the forum
Does an old cranky one count?
Thanks for trying . . .
Ok fair enough:
- what linux distro forced to use systemd?
This one is getting lost in 'translation grammar'.
- what init system is the most widely used but also the most despised?
Questions should be related to facts not judgments.
- What's the first name of the kernel maintainer?
We already have a nearly identical question in the rotation.
These any good at all???
The last one is the best, On the right track but no cigar quite yet. ![]()
Amprolla does all that.
Here's the first version: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla
And here's the current one: https://github.com/parazyd/amprolla
You are welcome to offer suggestions for effective Linux -related questions that will foil the bots. We'd love to add to the list! It's not as easy as you think! They need to be unambiguous and not too technical.
Welcome to the forum btw. Nice nick.
Please log your observations here. I have a few things from dmo installed but that was from nearly two years ago and things change . . .
Yes you can but at your own risk, of course. dmo is outside the scope of Devuan intervention so check dependencies carefully . . .
Will the input layout be the same as currently? I hope it will be for continuity. At a minimum please keep to the minimal swoosh and logo or just a solid purpy BG. (Sorry you'll have to imagine the butterflies and planets . . .)
Note that F11 at slim login screen takes a screenshot with scrot and puts it in /root/slim.png. Thanks to fsr for figuring that out. Should make things easy for you.
Positioning items on the slim screen is challenging to say the least. You have my sympathy. That's why the layout is currently so sparse.
@miroR . . . just a quick note as it is very late.
The FiraSans font was dropped last year. I never liked it because it was 'unreliable' and the spacing was strange. But I do believe that the logo was created by reorienting FiraSans characters. The fonts currently used on the site are OpenSans and SourceCodePro. You can see the source here.
https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/d … /css/fonts
*edit* As to fonts on this forum . . . they could probably use some revision.
a) any hardware loggging in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/kern.log ?
Nothing that I could see.
b) is Trash and file on the one and same partition ?
Usually all the files are in home on a separate ext4 partition. Occasionally, I will move files in and out of root (like themes etc.)
c) which actual program is it? ("mv" or "rm" or gui dnd)
GuiGirl either drags and drops files or or uses Thunar R-click actions 'Move to trash' or 'Delete'.
E.g., by hearsay I think on an ext* file system, "rm" of a huge file will stall the system because it locks the directory while reclaiming the blocks, whereas an intra-partition "mv" however is instantaneous, being just some top level pointer juggling in the directory tables.
Interesting . . . Thanks for your thoughts . . .
This has been annoying me for a very long time. I move a file to trash or elsewhere and the HDD activity maxes out. Can't do anything until it stops. Anybody know what's triggering that and can it be turned off? It doesn't do it every time but usually the first instance on any day. That partition has 346 GB used and 80% full. I keep trying to delete stuff but too much video editing happening. On Jessie with Xfce and slim.
Purple/violet is fine. Devuan is a purple beast... Well, to me. Or it's more like purpy, but one would have to ask the chief Devuan web/logo/other-stuff designer, one golinux for details
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@miroR . . . You make me blush. But please remember that our dear friend hellekin was also involved. He and I spent hours upon hours creating the look and feel of Devuan. We were a formidable team!
Let's Encrypt is free so no shillings needed. But none of us here have the ability to fix the problem. It has been reported on the ML and irc so hopefully some one will wake up . . .
Welcome to the forum BTW. ![]()
rsyslog is a known problem. Just throwing this here but please search the forum and DNG for other discussions.
https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2017- … 009&page=6
Bottom line:
rsyslog is not ready. Use syslog-ng or busybox-syslogd instead
My foggy memory tells me that dev/sdxx is the least reliable method of naming drives because adding a usb device can change the numbering and if you're not paying attention, you might write to the wrong partition. My current fstab uses uuids but all my external drives are labeled as well as all my other installations. (I've just been too lazy to change over.) The only uuid that has ever changed for me during an install has been the swap partition afaicr. Note that I don't mess with my system once it's up and running till the next release.
New weird thing, when I added the backports repository, a whole bunch of new stuff
got upgraded.
What else would you expect if you leave backports enabled? Backports are generally used only to acquire specific packages for newer hardware. The rest of the time it is recommended to comment it out. Upgrading everything in backports can have disastrous consequences. You're lucky if everything still works OK.