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#3151 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » arm-sdk for the BBB » 2017-07-20 03:01:36

parazyd never comes to this forum.  I suggest you post this on #devuan-arm or as an issue in git here.

#3152 Re: Installation » Errors in web page: devuan.org/os/development-kit » 2017-07-20 02:51:22

garyz.dev1 wrote:

@golinux you said in #2

https://devuan.org/os/development-kit is an obsolete page.  How did you find it?

  - that is true but still available by direct url

it also happens to match this https://devuan.org/os/development which is reached by clicking on the "Development" tab at the top of the webpage.

Early in 2016 there was an https://devuan.org/os/development-kit page.  That page was well indexed in search engines.  But by the time of the Stable release it was obsolete and rather than delete the page, it is now redirected to https://devuan.org/os/development.  Then the development-kit was renamed to distro-kit and a new page with the currect information was written.

garyz.dev1 wrote:

then you say:

Please go to https://devuan.org/os/distro-kit for the most recent information.  There you'll find this link to the current sdk info:

which is true ---BUT that link is not available on the hmm/devuan.org/ main page or the //devuan.org/os page

Why should there be a link on the index page which focuses on how to get and install Devuan?  It has no place there.  Same holds true for the os page which talks about how an os works.

garyz.dev1 wrote:

There is a link on the https://devuan.org/os/development  page - - -  reached by the 'Development' tab at the top so the url is a little confusing - you don't find it in the contents of the 'os' page

Not trying to make excuses but . . . even though I worked on the styling of the site, I had little to do with setting up the site structure.  I inherited what was in place when I took over the site early this year,  It is a well-established site so it would be unwise to restructure it at this point.  So we're trying to work around it but at the same time simplify the site structure and remove redundancies.

garyz.dev1 wrote:

semantics ?? I don't know  - I would have thought that each tab at the top would have its own folder /os   /development    /community

I don't disagree with that and would have done it differently if I had been in charge when it was locked into place.

#3153 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can I use Debian multimedia? » 2017-07-19 01:38:35

@zenkaon . . . free free to edit your post to add the code tags.   There is a line of formatting options above the input box that will do Just that with one mouse click.  wink

#3155 Re: Forum Feedback » Registration questions are questionable. » 2017-07-18 21:26:22

Anyone object to my nuking this OT chit chat?

#3156 Re: Forum Feedback » Registration questions are questionable. » 2017-07-18 18:23:28

Count_Cucaracha wrote:

Here:

How many moons does our planet have?

How many letters are there in the word apple?

The idea is to make them not esoteric and also not time sensitive.

Who is the president of Russia/USA/etc.?

That's more on the right track but unfortunately bots can usually figure out number questions in milliseconds (at least it feels that way).  Only one bot has gotten through the current system in over 6 months so it works quite well.  And IMO it's less annoying than those picture captchas that you have to cycle through.  And politics is a no-go . . .

#3157 Re: Forum Feedback » Registration questions are questionable. » 2017-07-18 18:17:42

Count_Cucaracha wrote:
golinux wrote:

- what linux distro forced to use systemd?

This one is getting lost in 'translation grammar'.

The wording of this question is not clear so I'm not sure whether you're asking:

1.  what linux distro forced (the) use of systemd?   RedHat?  Debian?  etc.
2.  what linux distro forced (who?) to use systemd?  Users?  Downstream distros?  etc.

And the conclusion of 'forced' is just not true even though it feels like it.  Life is about CHOICE.  'They' made theirs and 'we' made ours.  Plus, it's always a good idea to keep to the facts and not embellish with judgmental filters.   wink

The last one is the best,  On the right track but no cigar quite yet. wink

I'm glad I only have to register once then.

LOL!  Well, I'm happy you got through the question gauntlet.  Enjoy your stay here.  smile

#3158 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-18 17:51:14

I'll leave the technical details to you but I do know that is not the right slim panel.  You can download the latest version of the slim theme here.   Note the lighter bg color of the input box, different 'login' font and the addition of an F1 message.  Username name prompt (and others) appear in #dad9dc over the input box with this theme.  You might want to consider the session info placement in relation to the F1 message on the panel too:

correct slim panel

Yeah, it's BIG . . .

#3159 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] About SOLVED questions » 2017-07-18 15:52:15

OK enough idle chatter. Maybe you could take your personal frustrations to a pm on irc?

#3160 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] About SOLVED questions » 2017-07-18 06:07:50

fungus wrote:

We need some women on the forum

Does an old cranky one count?

#3161 Re: Forum Feedback » Registration questions are questionable. » 2017-07-18 04:05:36

Thanks for trying . . .

Count_Cucaracha wrote:

Ok fair enough:

- what linux distro forced to use systemd?

This one is getting lost in 'translation grammar'.

- what init system is the most widely used but also the most despised?

Questions should be related to facts not judgments.

- What's the first name of the kernel maintainer?

We already have a nearly identical question in the rotation.

These any good at all???

The last one is the best,  On the right track but no cigar quite yet. wink

#3163 Re: Forum Feedback » Registration questions are questionable. » 2017-07-17 20:11:38

You are welcome to offer suggestions for effective Linux -related questions that will foil the bots.  We'd love to add to the list!  It's not as easy as you think!  They need to be unambiguous and not too technical.

Welcome to the forum btw.  Nice nick.

#3164 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can I use Debian multimedia? » 2017-07-17 13:51:48

Please log your observations here.  I have a few things from dmo installed but that was from nearly two years ago and things change . . .

#3165 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can I use Debian multimedia? » 2017-07-17 13:13:08

Yes you can but at your own risk, of course.  dmo is outside the scope of Devuan intervention so check dependencies carefully . . .

#3166 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-17 01:38:23

Will the input layout be the same as currently?  I hope it will be for continuity.   At a minimum please keep to the minimal swoosh and logo or just a solid purpy BG.   (Sorry you'll have to imagine the butterflies and planets . . .)

Note that F11 at slim login screen takes a screenshot with scrot and puts it in /root/slim.png.  Thanks to fsr for figuring that out.  Should make things easy for you.

#3167 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-17 00:24:29

Positioning items on the slim screen is challenging to say the least.  You have my sympathy.  That's why the layout is currently so sparse.

#3168 Re: Devuan » Devuan is a purpy beast » 2017-07-16 07:20:31

@miroR . . . just a quick note as it is very late.

The FiraSans font was dropped last year.  I never liked it because it was 'unreliable' and the spacing was strange.  But I do believe that the logo was created by reorienting FiraSans characters.  The fonts currently used on the site are OpenSans and SourceCodePro. You can see the source here.

https://git.devuan.org/devuan-editors/d … /css/fonts

*edit* As to fonts on this forum . . . they could probably use some revision.

#3169 Re: Other Issues » HDD thrashes when file moved to trash or other location » 2017-07-16 04:57:26

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

a) any hardware loggging in /var/log/syslog or /var/log/kern.log ?

Nothing that I could see.

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

b) is Trash and file on the one and same partition ?

Usually all the files are in home on a separate ext4 partition.  Occasionally, I will move files in and out of root (like themes etc.)

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

c) which actual program is it? ("mv" or "rm" or gui dnd)

GuiGirl either drags and drops files or or uses Thunar R-click actions 'Move to trash' or 'Delete'.

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

E.g., by hearsay I think on an ext* file system, "rm" of a huge file will stall the system because it locks the directory while reclaiming the blocks, whereas an intra-partition "mv" however is instantaneous, being just some top level pointer juggling in the directory tables.

Interesting . . .  Thanks for your thoughts . . .

#3170 Other Issues » HDD thrashes when file moved to trash or other location » 2017-07-16 02:54:39

golinux
Replies: 4

This has been annoying me for a very long time.  I move a file to trash or elsewhere and the HDD activity maxes out.  Can't do anything until it stops.  Anybody know what's triggering that and can it be turned off?  It doesn't do it every time but usually the first instance on any day.  That partition has 346 GB used and 80% full.  I keep trying to delete stuff but too much video editing happening.  On Jessie with Xfce and slim.

#3171 Devuan » Devuan is a purpy beast » 2017-07-16 01:10:19

golinux
Replies: 3
miroR wrote:

Purple/violet is fine. Devuan is a purple beast... Well, to me. Or it's more like purpy, but one would have to ask the chief Devuan web/logo/other-stuff designer, one golinux for details smile.

@miroR . . . You make me blush.  But please remember that our dear friend hellekin was also involved.  He and I spent hours upon hours creating the look and feel of Devuan.  We were a formidable team!

#3172 Re: Forum Feedback » Certificate expiry - 2 : https://devuan.org/ » 2017-07-15 15:04:43

Let's Encrypt is free so no shillings needed.  But none of us here have the ability to fix the problem.  It has been reported on the ML and irc so hopefully some one will wake up . . .

Welcome to the forum BTW.  smile

#3173 Re: Installation » Cloning Devuan to a different partition updating linux-krnl initrd-img » 2017-07-15 14:56:09

rsyslog is a known problem.  Just throwing this here but please search the forum and DNG for other discussions.

https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2017- … 009&page=6

Bottom line:

fsmithred wrote:

rsyslog is not ready. Use syslog-ng or busybox-syslogd instead

#3174 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Post-install, fstab has wrong partition UUIDs » 2017-07-15 01:02:57

My foggy memory tells me that dev/sdxx is the least reliable method of naming drives because adding a usb device can change the numbering and if you're not paying attention, you might write to the wrong partition.  My current fstab uses uuids but all my external drives are labeled as well as all my other installations.  (I've just been too lazy to change over.)   The only uuid that has ever changed for me during an install has been the swap partition afaicr.  Note that I don't mess with my system once it's up and running till the next release.

#3175 Re: Installation » newer version of e2fsck [SOLVED] » 2017-07-13 23:41:09

fungus wrote:

New weird thing, when I added the backports repository, a whole bunch of new stuff
got upgraded.

What else would you expect if you leave backports enabled?  Backports are generally used only to acquire specific packages for newer hardware.  The rest of the time it is recommended to comment it out.  Upgrading everything in backports can have disastrous consequences.  You're lucky if everything still works OK.

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