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#1 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » problems related to Daedalus, xorg and slim » 2026-01-31 09:47:49

Also today noticed that abt a month ago i made a modified. iso which kind of works with my desktop.
Could turn off slim and xorg.
Could also install and start wdm.

Tried that works_with_desktop_machine.iso again, this time with laptop. Found out that even though i can log out with xfce's menu and log back in, i can't do the same with xlock. When i'm locked out, i stay locked out.  Maybe xlock doesn't accept the passwd or something completely different.

#2 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » problems related to Daedalus, xorg and slim » 2026-01-24 19:45:17

Should move on to using apt instead of dpkg. I think i saw somewhere instructions on how to make a local cache for apt.

Maybe something like this:

deb file://local/pkg/cache $distro main

as /etc/apt/sources.list will work? Have anyone tried?

#3 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » problems related to Daedalus, xorg and slim » 2026-01-24 19:32:15

There were also instructions on how to properly rebuild or repack a debian .iso , https://wiki.debian/org/$something , i think

In that case, something=RepackBootableISO .

Recently, the only way to make bootable .iso:s have been grub-mkrescue, and even that won't always work.
Maybe it is wrong parameters to genisoimage. Or maybe it is because the combination of usb-stick+Ventoy. Or maybe it is the processor or motherboard. Or maybe the fact that i do remastering inside of a vm instead of bare metal.
Maybe someday i can rule out at least the first of possible causes.

#4 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2026-01-22 02:26:37

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spEtauBPKqw
a.k.a
Alkaloid - The Fungi From Yuggoth (Official Live Video)

#5 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » problems related to Daedalus, xorg and slim » 2026-01-22 02:18:25

I wonder, does intel graphics chipset have some part in this xorg-problem. That Fujitsu's laptop definitely had problem with x and also intel chipset.
Should find out some details about my current desktop's motherboard soon.

#6 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » problems related to Daedalus, xorg and slim » 2026-01-22 02:05:06

"libseat tries to do smthing with VT 0 but cannot"-complaint

The complaint has returned when i built a new .iso.
This time i failed to install some packages in right order, with dpkg, in squashfs-chroot-envinronment.
So, start from scratch and install packages in right order and the problem should go away again.

Should move on to using apt instead of dpkg. I think i saw somewhere instructions on how to make a local cache for apt.
There were also instructions on how to properly rebuild or repack a debian .iso , https://wiki.debian/org/$something , i think. Maybe Google knows the exact url.

NOte to myself, mostly, this message is.

P.S. this time i could log in with wdm, once. When i logged out and back in, xorg froze in the sense that mouse pointer stopped responding to actual mouse movements. Managed somehow to see libseat's error messages for a short while. The few seconds between power button push and the actual power_off_situation.

#7 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » problems related to Daedalus, xorg and slim » 2026-01-18 22:47:55

It would be great if i could a) install wdm/remove slim inside that filesystem.squashfs and b) boot the resulting .iso with my desktop. NOt there yet but maybe some day.

I think that after that "chmod+usermod"-trick but before "apt-get upgrade -u" there was some kind of problem with wdm.  I got that "VT 0"-complaint, i mean.
Not disappointed that upgrade seems to have fixed that problem. Just hoping that it will not return later.

#8 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » problems related to Daedalus, xorg and slim » 2026-01-18 21:56:07

Fotrunately the complaints abt "libseat and VT 0" and "login command failed" have been rare lately. Maybe it is because of those new packages. Or absence of seatd.

#9 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » problems related to Daedalus, xorg and slim » 2026-01-18 21:49:00

Most of this week i have been banging my head against combination "unmodified livecd+desktop_machine+replacing slim with wdm". Unsuccesfully.
But i managed to make 2 modified .iso images which work as intended or at least almost, with laptop.
Also today noticed that abt a month ago i made a modified. iso which kind of works with my desktop.
Could turn off slim and xorg.
Could also install and start wdm.

Couldn't remove slim though. Maybe because it seems that had a brilliant idea to erase contents of /boot inside the filesystem.squashfs to save some storage space.
There were some "could not access /boot/vmlinuz-*" -complaints when trying to remove slim with apt.

So propably i'm going to use that kind_of_works .iso as a base for future modifications. After reinstalling vmlinuz it should be possible to throw slim out of that root_filesystem.

Btw is it possible to prevent apt from changing vmlinuz or initrd during package install (or remove) ? Should that "apt pinning"-thing do that?

#10 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » problems related to Daedalus, xorg and slim » 2026-01-18 18:24:30

Yeah. With that modified .iso i can turn off(sudo /etc/init.d/slim stop) and remove (sudo apt -get remove --purge slim) slim. And install + start wdm.
Lately i even managed to install wdm inside that filesystem.squashfs .
I was going to ask how to make wdm work, how to get rid of those "VT 0"-complaints with that display manager,  but right now it does not seem that necessary.
Maybe there have been some changes in packages. It seems that not all change is bad.

But there's still the desktop-related problem, in the sense that the modified .iso won't boot on that machine.
And also,(when i boot into my desktop)  with unmodified .iso , i can install wdm/remove slim, with apt but slim still keeps running.  At least last night it seemed like that.

I use daedalus live desktop as a base for modifications so i think the init system is sysvinit.

#11 Desktop and Multimedia » problems related to Daedalus, xorg and slim » 2026-01-18 00:51:32

nahkhiirmees
Replies: 11

From another topic:

Still banging my head against this Daedalus/xorg/libseat/slim-problem, kind of.
Sometimes, when using Daedalus desktop live, (modified .iso or  not, doesn't really matter) , i run into "login command failed"-complaint. And sometimes i also find libseat's complaints about VT 0, in text mode console. Found a quick solution:"chmod g+rw /dev/tty0 + add normal_user to group tty , with usermod". NOt sure if it is safe but it seems to work. At least when i have slim as windows manager,

Have been tryng to replace slim with wdm so that i get rid of a dm which has dbus as a dependency. So, farewell to "login command failed". But "libseat has a problem with VT 0"-thing has returned. Any ideas how to fix that?

it has been abt a week since i had this problem. Found a kind of a solution.
Then upgraded some packages w/ "apt-get upgrade -u". NOw it seems that i have some difficulties reproducing that "libseat tries to do smthing with VT 0 but cannot"-complaint. NIce.

Although i'm not yet 100% sure that the VT0-problem went away for good.

Also, i can boot the modified .iso which has wdm as display manager, with my new-ish laptop. But ofc my desktop refuses to boot it.
Maybe Ventoy has smthing to do with that booting problem.

#12 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] FAILURE to Initiate Xorg or startx and therefore no GUI for my new ins » 2026-01-17 16:34:12

Maybe i'll start a new topic aboout his wdm-thing since this topic seems to be solved.

#13 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] FAILURE to Initiate Xorg or startx and therefore no GUI for my new ins » 2026-01-17 16:31:29

Still banging my head against this Daedalus/xorg/libseat/slim-problem, kind of.
Sometimes, when using Daedalus desktop live, (modified .iso or  not, doesn't really matter) , i run into "login command failed"-complaint. And sometimes i also find libseat's complaints about VT 0, in text mode console. Found a quick solution:"chmod g+rw /dev/tty0 + add normal_user to group tty , with usermod". NOt sure if it is safe but it seems to work. At least when i have slim as windows manager,

Have been tryng to replace slim with wdm so that i get rid of a dm which has dbus as a dependency. So, farewell to "login command failed". But "libseat has a problem with VT 0"-thing has returned. Any ideas how to fix that?

#14 Re: DIY » init script for stubby » 2026-01-17 16:13:34

Last year i tried to rewrite my script to use start-stop-daemon. But then dnsmasq ceased to co-operate. Maybe the version Daedalus includes has a problem with running on localhost.

#15 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-09-01 16:37:48

Btw. what is the difference between extreme idiocy and self-inflicted chicken_and_egg_problem?

#16 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-09-01 09:54:19

greenjeans wrote:

Well now you've piqued my interest Ralph, what would you consider an Interesting topic of discussion?

Me Too!!! Would like to know ralph's definition of "interesting discussion", that is.
Thorium reactors+proliferation? Connection between arrythmia and coagulation? South american black metal? Something completrely different from those?

#17 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-08-31 09:18:59

But still i have to say this again: i consider removing real quote and leaving quote-tags as a half-measure. Half-measures are bad mmkay?
With those quote-tags there is still potential for abuse . I'm nor going to demonstrate what i mean because that's stupid. I leave it to others.

E.

After removing those tags there will be only a retarded version of irc. Good luck finding any interesting discussion then.

#18 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-08-31 09:13:13

Actually i agree with ralph: there is not much interesting discussion here, Should find another forum or quit using web_based_messageboards for anything at all,

#19 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-08-30 16:13:29

If everything is as good as nothing, entropy eventually reaches its maximum /etc,what's the point? How about bringing the old quote-button back then?

e.

Even in nihilism, half-measures are bad mmkay?

#20 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-08-30 15:57:50

Other thing: context.
In topics which have at most 10-20 messages, quoting may not be so necessary/it could be practical to deduce if message #y if a reply to message #x.

But when there are hundreds of messages in a topic, and they are separated in pages, context could be lost.

And that "context loss" made me think about a) slashdot b) some news clients i have used decades ago.
Particularly, that in these examples messages are ordered into a tree-line structure. When using that structure, context is more clear. Not so much need for over-quoting.

E.
Not going to say anything about the content quality of those examples. I think someone will do it for me instead.

Maybe i agree that quoting the whole message is too much. But making quoting complicated may result a bad irc-clone insted of a messageboqard. And some other crap also.

#21 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-08-30 15:48:10

The realistic point of view: when there are quote-tags, there is also abuse of those tags.
So, how about truncating the content between "quote" and "/quote" to maximum_allowed_length?
Should be easy to add even to pre-existing software.

#22 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-08-29 15:57:39

Maybe it's not about web-based forums or death of Usenet.
Manners have become nonexistent instead. (Maybe i'm not completely immune to that but anyways.)

Somehow i doubt that yeti was even born when i used Usenet news first time.

But anyways, this lack of proper quoting is not that good either. When messages are ordered only by the time they are added, it can become difficult to deduce if this_message is a reply to that_message or not. Now there is just chaos of non-connected messages.
This is not a messageboard, it is a bad IRC-clone instead.

(And if someone is too lazy to use real quote properly, that someone is propably too lazy to use quote-tags the way moderators intended, also.)

And if someone thinks that in this forum there were too much quoting, you definitely haven't seen the forums i have seen.

#23 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-08-28 18:45:10

Have been thinking lately:
20+ years ago there were something called Usenet. I think back in the day the over-quoting was not that big problem as it its now with these web-based message_boards.

Was it just more civilized age or did the style of ordering messages have to do something with that?

Also i considered writing a messageboard software which could order the messages Usenet_style or linearly, just as user chooses.

But i'm much better in starting things than finishing them.
Besides. LAMP-stack is depressing crap. But i'm not yet skilled enough with Flask or RoR either.

#24 Re: Installation » how restore default permissions root folder after copy OS to SSD? » 2024-08-28 18:40:14

To deepforest: look at the link about dd's man page or say in terminal:

man dd

. The most essential parameters are "if=/dev/source" and "of=/dev/target".

Although, if you're not familiar with dd, i strongly recommend experimenting inside a vm first before using "dd" in bare metal.

Dd'ing to smaller partition will result in a damaged target partition and some complaints from dd when target runs out of space. So, not recommended.

#25 Re: Installation » how restore default permissions root folder after copy OS to SSD? » 2024-08-27 18:05:42

... and if going the "dd-route" , one should make the destination partition first, for example with fdisk(https://linux.die.net/HOWTO/Partition/f … oning.html) (or lvcreate(https://linux.die.net/man/8/lvcreate) if using lvm).

Destination_partition cannot be smaller than source_partition or data loss will occur.

... and if the destination_pari is bigger than source, resizefs https://linux.die.net/man/8/resize2fs could be a good idea afterwards. Assuming the fs is ext_something_fs. With other filesystems there are other commands for resiuzing, maybe.

And rezize2fs will propably require to run e2fsck before the actual resizing.

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