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#1 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » What games do you play on Devuan?? » 2023-09-24 11:15:54
I don't play games at all. It's a pointless waste of time.
As Roger Caillois sum it up in Man, Play and Games (1961):
Summing up the formal characteristics of play we might call it a free activity standing quite consciously outside "ordinary" life as being "not serious," but at the same time absorbing the player intensely and utterly. It is an activity connected with no material interest, and no profit can be gained by it. It proceeds within its own proper boundaries of time and space according to fixed rules and in an orderly manner. It promotes the formation of social groupings which tend to surround themselves with secrecy and to stress their difference from the common world by disguise or other means.
So your stance is in accordnance with the above characterization.
But what about the 'fun' element that is also hightlighed above .( time absorbing the player intensely and utterly ).
I mean if someone say : 'I dont play games at all . It:'s pointless and fun' that would sound strange ? Doesnt it?
What about if somebody said : 'I dont play video games at all. It's pointless and no fun at all' would that sound less strange?
#2 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » What games do you play on Devuan?? » 2023-09-23 15:29:35
Libre : Longturn (freeciv longplay) , Oolite , FreeOrion , CDDA . TanksOfFreedom 1 and 2 .
From itch.io : Celeste , Overland
From gog : The Red String Club (wont run but there is a way) , Rimworld
Stellaris also (there are non steam options too).
Pico 8: Celeste (the first celeste).
Also I'd like to propose an devuan initiative in the spirit of https://libregaming.org/ because playiing games together is more fun.
#3 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Sway with seatd » 2023-09-23 14:58:26
System : Daedalus , sway+seatd+libpam-ck-connector
I find a way to install Calibre without pulling elogind .
(due to past command: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 we see also various i386 packages)
$ sudo apt-get install calibre
The following packages will be REMOVED:
libasound2-plugins:i386 libpam-ck-connector libpulse0:i386
libsdl2-2.0-0:i386 libsystemd0 libsystemd0:i386
The following NEW packages will be installed:
blt calibre calibre-bin eject elogind
After we lowering apt priority to -1 for elogind in /etc/apt/preferences :
$ sudo apt-get install calibre
The following packages will be REMOVED:
libpam-ck-connector libsystemd0 libsystemd0:i386
The following NEW packages will be installed:
blt calibre calibre-bin eject elogind:i386
After we lowering apt priority to -1 for elogind:i386 in /etc/apt/preferences :
$ sudo apt-get install calibre
The following packages will be REMOVED:
libpam-ck-connector
The following NEW packages will be installed:
blt calibre calibre-bin dummy-logind ..
I didnt found how to keep 'libpam-ck-connector' from being removed in /etc/apt/preferences
but that command worked:
$ sudo apt-mark hold libpam-ck-connector
$ sudo apt-get install calibre
// now libpam-ck-connector was not listed for removal but
// neither dummy-logind for installation. But calibre was installed and seems to work ok.
Checking afterward in cases i missed something:
$ sudo apt-cache policy elogind
elogind:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: (none)
$ sudo apt-cache policy elogind:i386
elogind:i386:
Installed: (none)
Candidate: (none)And here is my /etc/apt/preferences
Althougth as i noted the libpam-ck-connector didnt work.
Package: elogind
Pin: release a=stable
Pin-Priority: -1
Package: elogind:i386
Pin: release a=stable
Pin-Priority: -1
Package: libpam-ck-connector
Pin: release a=stable
Pin-Priority: 1001Please for anyone usiing Daedalus with sway , seatd] and libpam-ck-connector it would be great to hear how you installed packages that try to remove libpam-ck-connector or pull elogind.
#4 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Default dhcp client floods my syslog » 2023-09-17 15:44:15
Its a clean netinstal installation. I did nothing out of the ordinary. Except now that i installed udchpc.
#5 Hardware & System Configuration » Default dhcp client floods my syslog » 2023-09-16 23:18:28
- chomwitt
- Replies: 6
Devuan release: Daedalus
Installed on: PC
dpkg -l | grep dhcp
ii isc-dhcp-client 4.4.3-P1-2 amd64 DHCP client for automatically obtaining an IP address
ii isc-dhcp-common 4.4.3-P1-2 amd64 common manpages relevant to all of the isc-dhcp packages
Trying to tail my /var/log/syslog i see that is constantly flooded with messages:
2023-09-16T21:06:58.845413+03:00 enous-devuan dhclient[18775]: Failed to get interface index: No such device
2023-09-16T21:06:58.845422+03:00 enous-devuan dhclient[18775]:
2023-09-16T21:06:58.845426+03:00 enous-devuan dhclient[18775]: If you think you have received this message due to a bug rather
2023-09-16T21:06:58.845430+03:00 enous-devuan dhclient[18775]: than a configuration issue please read the section on submitting
2023-09-16T21:06:58.845434+03:00 enous-devuan dhclient[18775]: bugs on either our web page at www.isc.org or in the README file
2023-09-16T21:06:58.845438+03:00 enous-devuan dhclient[18775]: before submitting a bug. These pages explain the proper
2023-09-16T21:06:58.845441+03:00 enous-devuan dhclient[18775]: process and the information we find helpful for debugging.
2023-09-16T21:06:58.845445+03:00 enous-devuan dhclient[18775]:
2023-09-16T21:06:58.845449+03:00 enous-devuan dhclient[18775]: exiting.
2023-09-16T21:06:59.885543+03:00 enous-devuan dhclient[18786]: Internet Systems Consortium DHCP Client 4.4.3-P1
2023-09-16T21:06:59.885550+03:00 enous-devuan dhclient[18786]: Copyright 2004-2022 Internet Systems Consortium.
2023-09-16T21:06:59.885553+03:00 enous-devuan dhclient[18786]: All rights reserved.
2023-09-16T21:06:59.885556+03:00 enous-devuan dhclient[18786]: For info, please visit https://www.isc.org/software/dhcp/
Those lines keep repating.
For now i will try to instal udhcpc.
Interestingly udhcpc wont show any conflicts with isc-dhcp-client . Shouldnt it?
Also i noticed that
$ update-alternatives --get-selections doenst have a dhcp entry. But couldnt have one since there are more than one dchp clients and deamons?
#6 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Sway with seatd » 2023-09-14 10:57:48
thanks stopAI .
I see the broad picture now . How PAM is a common authentication functionality library-service .
I ll try to dig little deeper and see how seatd- consolekit2-pam and greetd work together. Because in first glance apt depents fields dont offer any insigths and reading the project's sites seems that consolekit2 functonality overalps seatd.
ps: how to stop AI ? I think by creating p2p AI and fediverse AI ?
#7 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Sway with seatd » 2023-09-11 16:01:48
but why do i need PAM to access my pc that i am the only user ?
#8 Re: Installation » suspend on straight Wayland setup » 2023-09-10 22:59:59
i have created also the Index» Desktop and Multimedia» Sway with seatd post. Perhaps we could share our experiences with sway on Daedalus there in one thread ?
#9 Desktop and Multimedia » Sway with seatd » 2023-09-10 22:40:55
- chomwitt
- Replies: 6
I was happy to read in Daedalus release notes:
### Wayland GUI without elogind
Users can now enjoy a wayland desktop without elogind by installing
libpam-ck-connector, sway and seatd.
The main reason is that i like to have options and secondly (but not least important) i like to have a system that feels less opaque regarding the functionality offered by each package.
So i started a desktopless fresh installation into my PC and i gradually installed various packages in order to setup a decent , ligthweight desktop based on sway but without elogind and using seatd.
For reason that i dont currently undrestand sway wont start unless libpam-ck-connector
is installed. (that package is mentioned also in 'Devuan without elogind' by Iggy64 but again with no much explanation.
So sway starts by command line and i am happy but various application try to pull elogind and also to remove libpam-ck-connector.
Example:
$ sudo apt-get install calibre
The following packages will be REMOVED:
libpam-ck-connector libsystemd0
The following NEW packages will be installed:
blt calibre calibre-bin eject elogind ...
So i try:
$ sudo apt-get install calibre elogind-
..
The following packages will be REMOVED:
libpam-ck-connector
The following NEW packages will be installed:
blt calibre calibre-bin dummy-logind
...
What can i do in that case ?
#10 Re: Devuan » Devuan without elogind » 2023-09-04 22:38:11
In a fresh install of Daedalus with no desktop i installed:
$ sudo apt-get install elogind- seatd sway
$ sway
XDG_RUNTIME_DIR is not set in the enviroment , aborting.
$ ps -aux | grep seatd
root - - - - /usr/sbin/seatd -g video
$ id
... (sudo) .. (video) ..
Strange.. but after installing :libpam-ck-connector i saw some progress.
I say 'strange' because i have not a clue what that package does..
Ok after also installing firmware-amd-graphics , i can start by $ sway
Now although sway runs ok when ever i try to install a file manager like pcmanfm , pcmanfm-qt, thunar , dolphin
i get 'libpam-ck-connector ' will be removed. And when that happens sway wont start.
I also installed 'greetd' but i dont know how to start the login gui screen.
#11 Re: News & Announcements » Daedalus is stable » 2023-09-04 20:04:28
Congratulations to the Devuan team.
#12 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] xorg conflict with luit in Daedalus. » 2023-05-04 08:09:36
What if someone wants luit and xorg ?
#13 Re: Installation » Cannot access repository » 2023-05-04 08:05:44
Ok. thanks for the feedback.
#14 Re: Devuan » Non-free firmware in Devuan Daedalus? » 2023-05-03 12:15:17
Thanks.
#15 Re: Devuan » Non-free firmware in Devuan Daedalus? » 2023-05-03 09:11:24
It may be worth to note, that all Devuan installer ISOs still come with all firmware in the ISO pool, for installation.
In my case . Daedalus netinstall iso why didnt contain gpu firmware ?
And what is the ISO Pool ?
#16 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] xorg conflict with luit in Daedalus. » 2023-05-03 09:01:44
Well .. i regret it for marking it solved. I mean i solve the issue by purging luit but a possible conflict lies there untracked and unnoticed..
#17 Re: Installation » Cannot access repository » 2023-05-03 08:55:07
Daedalus hasn't been officially released yet,& I think I read that that is the reason, as they haven't yet been set up....
And how a current Daedalus systtem gets security upgrades ?
And shouldnt Daedalus installer offer more sync info on the subject on the Package management stage ?
#18 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] xorg conflict with luit in Daedalus. » 2023-05-02 09:26:09
Indeed. Checked apt log.
Start-Date: 2023-05-02 11:37:07
Commandline: apt-get -o APT::Status-Fd=4 -o APT::Keep-Fds::=5 -o APT::Keep-Fds::=6 -q -y -o APT::Install-Recommends=true -o APT::Get::AutomaticRemove=true -o Acquire::Retries=3 install tas
k-console-productivity-
Requested-By: chomwitt (1000)
....sudo:amd64 (1.9.13p3-1)...
#19 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] xorg conflict with luit in Daedalus. » 2023-05-02 09:16:38
Things got more strange. I decided to run tasksel and remove all 'Console productivity' packages.
That happened indeed. But now sudo has been wiped out from my system!!
Invenstigating further....
#20 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] xorg conflict with luit in Daedalus. » 2023-05-02 06:49:10
I wonder what tasksel would have done during installation if i had selected both 'console productivity' and 'desktop enviroment'...
#21 Installation » [SOLVED] xorg conflict with luit in Daedalus. » 2023-05-01 16:24:19
- chomwitt
- Replies: 9
New installation of Daedalus.
In the Software selection stage : I selected Console Productivity (a choice done from curiosity) and no destkop.
After Finishing, reboot and login :
$ sudo apt-get install xorg
luit breaks x11-utils (<7.7.16) but 7.7..15 is to be installed
#22 Installation » Cannot access repository » 2023-05-01 16:15:27
- chomwitt
- Replies: 6
During a new installation of Daedalus ..
in the stage: Configure the package manager
in the step : Select security and release updates
I get the error :
Cannot access repository .The repository of deb.devuan.org could not be accessed. Its updates
will not be made available to you .
Turing to an Ctrl-Alt-f4 console i also see:
in-target: Ign: http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus security inRelease
-//- : Err: - // - Release
-//- : 404 Not found ip : 2a02:2a38:1:400:422a:422a:422a:422a 80
E: The repository does not have a release file.
I continued the installation . But all the related entries in sources.list were commented.
#23 Re: Installation » daedalus amd64 netinstall iso installer graphics displayed incorrect » 2023-05-01 14:12:41
OK. i managed to install Daedalus.
During installation i got error of not being able to access a repo for updates.
Also after installatiion i had to add in sources.list non-free-firmware to install my gpu firmware. Why that change ?
#24 Re: Installation » daedalus amd64 netinstall iso installer graphics displayed incorrect » 2023-05-01 00:36:03
Thanks @fsmithred and @ralph.ronnquist . Indeed using vga=798 (1600x1200 , 16bit) the installer proceeds normal. The gpu is 6950xt . I had already problems using it at Chimaera , and it was suggested to me to try Daedalus. So i guess it's not my 21:9 monitor to blame.
@pcalvert . I didnt find text option. (default install , expert and speech)
#25 Installation » daedalus amd64 netinstall iso installer graphics displayed incorrect » 2023-04-30 17:47:53
- chomwitt
- Replies: 8
I used devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview-20230425_amd64_netinstall.iso
in my PC with a newly installed gpu 6950xt (rdna2) .
After i choose either default install or expert install i see a distorted image of
the installer that cant be read to proceed.
I found a 5year old thread of the same issue (i guess that devuan uses debian installer) :
https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=132200
The image linked in that discussion is like what i see.
I tried the devuan_daedalus_5.0.preview_20230209_amd64_desktop-live image and it booted to gui with no problem. I write this line from using it.
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