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#1 Re: Devuan » Request for review and testing: Plymouth boot splash for Beowulf » 2020-05-23 11:48:58

Why has no one commented. Are there any prebuilt Deb packages available? Sorry my skills aren't up to that, if they are or become available I would happily give it a whirl on a test install and provide feedback. I run a bios boot from grub on unencrypted drives.

#2 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Can live isos be burned to optical media? » 2020-05-22 10:03:21

I have two usb sticks that I can't use and never could use for booting any distro ISOs . They either don't boot, produce errors in the boot process, or I get varied errors once booted. I can't find anything wrong with them even with low level scans and formats.
They're fine for music, video, word files, even to store ISOs....I can't explain it.

Similar point also I'd agree with Rolfie
Neither DVD burners or the Blank media are if the quality they were 10+ years ago.

Back then DVD burners and media were of better quality due to demand caused by a reasonably large amount of game piracy going in in the world. These required perfect clones no IO errors even the ability to copy the "bad sectors" on the original game disc, the burners and media quality needed to be a lot higher than for just burning a DVD movie, where any old cheap media and burner would do.

Whether any of that has the bearing on current issue with Beowulf ISOs is another matter.

#3 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Can live isos be burned to optical media? » 2020-05-20 21:43:31

This may be a red herring, apologies if I am talking garbage., I have read the beta thread  and if I am honest most of it goes well above my head.

However I have had a problem not dissimilar to this where I had issues with ISOs burned to usb.
But the issue was with so many different distro ISOs that I worked out it was my system that was common denominator causing a corruption in someway during the burn.
I think I was running Xenial based Mint at the time. I never got to the bottom of the problem properly.
I just reinstalled from an ISO on a USB stick that was burnt before the problem occured.
After that all the ISOs burnt and booted without fault.
Is there anything in common in the running systems of the people reporting errors with isos?

#4 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Can live isos be burned to optical media? » 2020-05-20 21:04:24

Hi, just downloaded 64bit version from leaseweb mirror. Burnt using Mintsticks on mint xfce 19.3,  audio out, usb ports, mouse and keyboard work fine when running live.
Can't test webcam or audio in

#5 Re: DIY » Lowest memory footprint obtained. » 2020-05-20 11:31:44

IMHO it depends on what you consider "basic".

IMHO Basic isnt about what software you need to run. I'm sure Landor means about the minimum needed to run DE or WM.
For instance.....

I have a laptop with first gen i3 and 4 gig ram. Stock Mint 19.3 XFCE runs at about 360mb. I can get it with office suite and browser installed, idles at 250-290mb with minor tweaks. With the wordprocessor and firefox open runs at about 800-1000mb.

I get similar numbers with Devuan Beowulf Beta clean install on the same machine.
Unless they're open browser and office software installs add nothing to fresh boot idle load.

Whereas Mint 19.3 Cinnamon clean install idles I seem to recall at about 700-800mb, I get similar numbers too with Kubuntu.

Miyolinux-EXTRA ASCII 2018 2nd edition which is openbox with xfce panel and whisker menu, with my own minor interface tweaks but no additional software installed idles at 170mb, stock is about 185-190mb.
Note one can also choose lxpanel and menu or straight openbox and menu.

Miyolinux JWM based on Beowulf beta live running on usb idles at 145mb
Miyolinux ICEWM based on Beowulf beta running live usb idles at 165mb

#6 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Can live isos be burned to optical media? » 2020-05-20 11:19:48

Downloaded the 32bit iso yesterday, burned to usb using mintsticks on Mint19.3. I No issues with inputs or sound

#7 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2020-05-19 22:37:05

Although...this exchange between us has kind of piqued my interest in building a beowulf version of Miyo-XTRA.  smile tongue

Oh good, it's always been my favourite big_smile

Maybe with Panther launcher as an option, may help gauge reaction as to whether it's worth your time and effort forking it big_smile big_smile:D
Which thinking about it, may well be useful to the main Devuan distro, something visually different to set it apart....a hook catch potential users imagination.

I have the latter of your EXTRA distros installed, not sure if it was an error on my part, but when first installed I went into synaptic, clicked reload to update the repos then marked all upgrades. It appeared to go fine, untill my cursor became invisible. Anyway long story short,was getting tired and have to borrow a friend's broadband connection, so quick reinstall solved that, so it's running stock with just VLC added and under the TV working fine thanks.

Glad you got something out of our exchange, better when not a one way street because people do appreciate the effort people like yourself put in to things. Even if all end users like myself maybe only really contribute, encouragement, thanks and a little additional motivation.

#8 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2020-05-19 21:04:45

Sorry didn't mean to be a pain.

Oh dear...this is the first report I've had of issues with CMST/connman in MiyoLinux, but after looking online, it appears to be a definite issue with connman in Debian buster based systems...which means Devuan beowulf too.

Am not sure how widespread the issue would be, the laptop in question is 12 years old. That said Miyolinux is the kind of lite distro people look for to put on old hardware.

Makes me laugh Lubuntu selling its self as lightweight. big_smile
I always got Mint running far more lean than I ever did Lubuntu.

I've had Miyolinux running very nicely on an Asus eepc, 900mhz P3 celeron with 768mb ram, the small solid-state hard drive they came with helped tho. made quite a sweet word processor as long as one didn't try to multitask.

There's also a link in the menu for it.

...or you can open the terminal, and enter...

leafpad ~/.config/openbox/autostart

Yes I was aware of this cos I always switch your jingle off!!  Lolol, puts finger to head, pulls trigger and blow my brains out big_smile
I thought you meant I unaware of a simple config file that most distros used to determine what runs at startup.

Thanks for the confirmation on upgrading Miyo-EXTRA. it's the last of the 2018 versions I am using, they all use wicd. It's running fine, I doubt I'll upgrade, it does what I want. If it ain't broke don't fix it as they say.

You mentioned Semplice a while back, I tried it just as it died unfortunately, but liked it.
Now Slax has moved over to Debian it's kinda similar, though it uses the Porteus method for making a live usb, which quite frankly I find a pain.

#9 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2020-05-19 14:51:30

Hey Myo

I've toyed with the idea of forking the Panther launcher, but I haven't made my mind up yet.

My opinion for what its worth, you should fork it....Make it your own.....You own it, you name it.... MIYOlauncher!!! smile

Because...when you install MiyoLinux, you get what MiyoLinux likes. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!

I asked for that....stuck my chin out as far as i could and said go on hit me with it big_smile

My best computer only has 2 CPU and 4 GBs of RAM. I know I could run a DE on it

Yeah easy, your not far off me i have first gen i3 processor and 4gb ram I can use Cinnamon no problem and have it on my sons laptop core2duo with 2gb ram that can too, (with a few bits of irrelevance turned off) .

here's also a link in the menu for it.

...or you can open the terminal, and enter...

leafpad ~/.config/openbox/autostart

It may be an irrelivance.
I wanted to use your latest Modern release on an old netbook,  i cant get it to connect to the internet, so no synaptic for whiskermenu, or the MIYOEXTRA feature for easy down load of basic programs, but love that feature, but would have thought most miyo users know how to uses synaptic

Anyway....trying to connect i just get "The agent request failed before a reply was returned"

This was with the 32bit iso, i guess it must be hardware specific.
Just for information purposes the offending hardware is samsung netbook model NC10 I think which makes it an Atheros AR5007EG (802.11 b/g).
I get the same message with your recent JWM version.
It seems Connman doesn't like that particular hardware as the beowulf 32bit beta iso connects just fine

The ascii version of MiyoEXTRA connects fine so will use that, can I upgrade that to beowulf? Would it be the same method as upgrading Devuan jessie to ascii?

I'm pretty sure it's still possible to do that though...

Yes it is, I became aware of it when lubuntu dropped the function a few years ago, a similar work around is available for Thunar too

#10 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2020-05-17 16:29:45

Thanks for your replies Miyo it is greatly appreciated.

Yes Panther launcher, the only issue I had was it was a little laggy opening it up, the issue didn't appear to be machine or distro specific, but it was not so bad that I couldn't live with it. Tho I did try a live version of elementaryos and the issue doesn't exist.
I'd encourage you to include it in some of your work. No or not many distros have it that I know of, it's good to be different.

Incidentally have you considered doing a Miyolinux with cinnamon? I tried the Porteus version with cinnamon and it ran amazingly lite for cinnamon, I have other issues with porteus which put me off, reasons which became exacerbated after finding miyolinux.

As you say yeah I am sure I know vastly more than you about chopping unwanted start up items ...hmmmm lol lol.......eeeeerrr not! Noob alert!
I agree about a power manager with the way I use my computer and the fact that I tried with and without and makes no difference to my battery life it's pointless to me.
I guess it's part of the whole make it your own philosophy..... maybe that's why I like your distro spin so much
But I wouldn't know how to edit my autostart file or even where to find it.,  so have had to make do with what I do know how to do, but editing the autostart file sounds like a lot more elegant solution than my way, so that would be interesting....Google is my friend...... even tho I am guessing you set miyolinux pretty minimal I'd still like to switch off networking at least for the time being at start up on the media player I am
planning for my kids.

Hope you don't mind me asking, but why do you do a separate menu entry for "pcmanfm as root" rather than just having "open as root" as a right click option in pcmanfm?

#11 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2020-05-16 18:13:38

Cheers Miyo for the heads up about XFCE panel. I'll look into it next week.
If it's as easy as you say I'll be fine but think maybe an update version from yourself with whisker menu might be good.
I also have had a forked version of the Pantheon menu from elementaryos running sussefully in ASCII devuan, miyolinux extra and mint via the xfce panel which looks really cool but I haven't tried editing content yet. Pantheon menu does not pull any other dependencies. I got zorin menu kinda working too but needs more playing with, and can't recall if it uses any dodge dependencies, I don't think so though

Miyolinux in this case should make an excellent basic media player from an old netbook. It will not be net capable initially at least, just for playback of photo, audio and video, nothing else. I figure no point putting a media centre front end on as I'm not to fussed about covers and additional metadata, plus as it would have regular changes of usb media I wouldn't want it wasting time updating metadata catalogues.

So I'll run it as light as possible, minimal background services running. I am not really savvy using anything but basic terminal commands, so I'll probably install xfce-sessions to disable a few start up bits. Though I am yet to source xfce-sessions that doesn't require larger amounts of other xfce components.
Any other recomendations?

I figure if I can get Mint 19 with all its bloat running on 250mb with net capability. (Pantheon menu adds an additional 30mb of memory's usage at idle). Miyolinux I guess can be got down to 175-150mb..ish....maybe less. That said I have a mock up of Beowulf that now looks the same as my older Mint install not stock theme or icons and include the tools from mint I find useful without the guff.
It's a bit of an obsession of mine, running as little as possible in the background.....throw back to my windows days I think.

#12 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2020-05-15 19:58:51

Hey Miyo

I had a play with the latest miyo modern.
Your usual very high standard, and so fast, very cool. Many thanks again for everything you do.

Now I am just waiting for the usual troll to pop up again and say miyo is dead garbage. :lol:lol:lol:

Are there ou planning to breath new life into the Miyo  EXTRA series?

They're my personal favourite because I find XFCE easiest to mod and ....make it my own!! smile

#13 Re: Devuan Derivatives » List of Devuan derivatives » 2020-01-24 22:25:39

mckaygerhard is it nice on the planet you're from? Planet troll maybe.

That "dead" MIYO just made another release, about 6 months since the last one.
That's more frequent than other "dead" distros like Ubuntu Mint and Debian.

#15 Re: DIY » Howwww... aaaabout some Dev1 backgrounds, hey? » 2020-01-22 15:12:27

Has anyone got the wallpaper by ThurahT please. The last one posted 14/10/17, unfortunately the link is dead all it leads to is a small image 450x 280ish.

Many thanks

#16 Re: Devuan Derivatives » MiyoLinux Portable » 2019-04-17 18:10:02

Apologies for the time it's taken to reply,  when I saw your comments as a result of my review and comment regarding persistence. I had already tried refracta tools but couldn't get it to work (I am a fairly works out of the box kinda Linux user). However, I having seen your reply on the here, I gave it another go and got it to work, though I found it no where near as responsive as say the Raspbianx86 distro based on Debian stable. Not your issue I know, down to refracta tools, my system etc but not Miyolinux specific).
My issue with Raspbianx86 is its 32bit only and I need to run darktable. It's also 2.2gb of stuff I don't need!!
I saw your recent Debian unstable version thinking if that works it's easy enough to get persistence working on Debian, but to no avail. I can't get it to boot. I gets stuck at loading my wireless LAN. (If you wish am happy to take a screen shot of it not completing the process). I run a Toshiba satellite Pro laptop you can look up specific hardware if required.
Please keep up the good work am considering swapping my main distro from Mint to Miyo. And literally am trying out your new compiz variant as I speak, love it so far. Can't help wondering what you'd do to cinnamon!!!!
I'll likely update my review. Your work it brilliant, and though I see you don't want to be listed on Distrowatch it would be well deserving of a place high on the list of the establishment distros. Your work is better than most.
If you wish for more info re-. Non booting Debian version or anything just ask.

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