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On Devuan 4 chimaera on amd64, using Firefox ESR, last night one of the pages to pay a Waste Management bill flashed/thrashed and did not load, and I was not able to pay the bill. Today, there was an update to 102.15.1esr-1~deb11u1. Just now, running the updated Firefox version, an Ebay page to show an order I had just placed flashed/thrashed several times and then sent me to a Captcha page. After correctly selecting the specified pages, the browser went back to flashing/thrashing and then to Captcha--rinse, repeat. Which combination of the following hypotheses is closer to correct:
- Firefox ESR has gone buggy and is no longer reliable
- Websites are (via malice or incompetence) punishing Firefox by making the sites not work with Firefox
- My social credit score is too low, so Firefox and/or the websites are punishing me
- (other)
Well, it looks like the system accepted the second report:
https://bugs.devuan.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=734
Thanks.
Tried to use the reportbug tool to send the bug report. The tool refused to send it. (I should submit bug reports against reportbug.) In the end, I manually edited the saved draft report and emailed it manually. After at least one automated rejection, I hope I can find a way to get the bug report filed.
Thanks for the replies/help. The full package list for testing shows 6.21.00-1.1, the same as I'm using on Chimaera. Oddly, the full package list for Chimaera doesn't show either csh or tcsh.
What would be the method to request a fixed version or a patch fix be considered to include in the next release? Would that have to go through Debian's wish-list request system?
Where should a serious tcsh globbing bug be reported? I'm running Devuan Chimaera with tcsh version 6.21.00-1.1.
In an empty directory, do these three commands:
touch {a,b,c,d,2}{1,2,3}
echo [a-d]*
echo [a-d]?
Each of the echo commands prints this (modulo indentation):
21 22 23 a1 a2 a3 b1 b2 b3 c1 c2 c3 d1 d2 d3
Each of the echo commands SHOULD print this (modulo indentation):
a1 a2 a3 b1 b2 b3 c1 c2 c3 d1 d2 d3
The man page says this about a hyphen between square brackets:
Within `[...]', a pair of characters separated by `-' matches any character lexically between the two.
"2" is _NOT_ lexically between "a" and "d". Therefore, the filenames that start with "2" should not be in the glob expansion.
This bug can result in files being deleted that should not have been deleted.
Thanks for the extremely quick reply! That appears to work for me, too.
Oh, as far as I'm aware, I'm using IPv4 exclusively. I disabled IPv6 during post-installation tuning.
It appears pkgmaster.devuan.org has quit serving chimaera updates. What is the recommended replacement?
When I installed chimaera last December, this line in the original /etc/apt/sources.list referred to pkgmaster:
deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged chimaera-security main contrib non-free
I'm using apt-cacher-ng, so I adapted it to this:
deb http://127.0.0.1:3142/pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged chimaera-security main contrib non-free
That had been working great through May 7. On May 14, 21, and 28 (today), I get this when attempting "apt-get update":
Hit:1 http://127.0.0.1:3142/deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera InRelease
Err:2 http://127.0.0.1:3142/pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged chimaera-security InRelease
Connection failed [IP: 127.0.0.1 3142]
Hit:3 http://127.0.0.1:3142/deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-updates InRelease
Hit:4 http://127.0.0.1:3142/deb.devuan.org/merged chimaera-backports InRelease
Reading package lists... Done
W: Failed to fetch http://127.0.0.1:3142/pkgmaster.devuan. … /InRelease Connection failed [IP: 127.0.0.1 3142]
W: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
Is deb.devuan.org the recommended replacement for pkgmaster.devuan.org? Or, is there a different recommended replacement?
By way of follow-up, the Beowulf installation worked very well. Even with adding the MX AHS packages and then migrating at least some of them to backports (when backports had the newer versions available), I did not see any serious problems from mixing distribution packages. There was only one time in about 7 months that the machine crashed, apparently a GPU crash, and that was in August, 2021.
A few days ago, I installed Chimaera without any packages coming from MX or even backports. So far, everything appears to be working very well (modulo migrating all my home-grown Python code to Python 3). Graphics performance is excellent. At shadertoy.com, the 'tempting the mariner' page (with a warning, apparently about overheating systems) runs full 60fps in the small window and appears to do 20-30fps at full screen (1920x1200).
Thank you for all the help. After working through some odd issues (and a bug report about BIOS corrupting disk data), the machine just went into "production" use with a 5800 CPU, an ASUS Pro WS X570-ACE motherboard, a MSI Radeon RX 5500 XT GAMING X graphics card, Devuan Beowulf, the kernel from backports, AMD graphics and Realtek firmware from backports, some other packages from backports that apparently got pulled in as dependencies, and the Mesa and related libraries from MX AHS. The MX AHS packages were mentioned in these linkded pages: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3913 and http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=146083 So far, everything appears to be working well.
It appears when I installed the backports 5.10 kernel that I used the meta package. This is what 'dpkg -l' says for it:
ii linux-image-amd64 5.10.13-1~bpo10+1 amd64 Linux for 64-bit PCs (meta-package)
Again, thank you both for the very helpful guidance.
Thanks for the great info about the meta package. During installation, I just followed the default path. Now that I know about the meta package structure, I'll make sure to install the meta package from backports.
Excellent! Thank you very much!
That's a very good point. Thank you for suggesting the 5.10 LTS branch from the beowulf-backports repository. So far, today's current 5.10 kernel from beowulf-backports appears to be working well. I partitioned the big HDDs and created the RAIDs. The big RAID is doing its initial sync as I type (and for the next ~4+ hours).
I did a web search or two about how to add a backports repository. One thing was not clear from the relevant web pages those searches found. Does apt-get pick up updated kernel packages from backports automagically? When I tried "apt-get -d -t beowulf-backports update", it wanted to update an enormous boatload of things, which I immediately rejected. (Packages from the stable, non-backports repositories had already been fully updated.)
Thank you both for those very helpful answers. In case it might help someone else who might happen upon this thread:
After a long wait for the CPU (and some problems with a now-EOL SAS/SATA card) the machine is running. (I had wanted a 5900X CPU, but it's still not in stock anywhere at a price even close to list.) With a temporary (2200G) CPU, I upgraded the motherboard's BIOS to a version that supports the 5800X CPU. That temporary CPU also allowed testing of some other issues. I installed Beowulf with the temporary CPU.
For the kernel, I downloaded the 5.11.2 source from kernel.org to my old machine, ran "make oldconfig" based on the config file from the stock Beowulf kernel (accepting the defult for all questions), cleared the value of CONFIG__SYSTEM_TRUSTED_KEYS, ran "make -j 6 bindeb-pkg", waited an hour for the build to finish, installed three DEBs (not the one with "dbg" in its name), installed the 5800X CPU, and booted it up. So far, so good on the kernel.
Getting the GPU up to speed is still pending--one step at a time.
What AMD graphics card (up to US$250 price) will work with Beowulf?
I'm preparing to build a new system with an Asus Pro WS X570-ACE motherboard and either a 9 5900X or a 7 5800X CPU, with Devuan Beowulf as its first OS. I plan to use open-source drivers, so I'm avoiding the 'PRO' cards. After considerable searching, I have yet to find a cross-reference that says what AMD GPUs work with what version of kernel, xorg, etc. Any pointers or suggestions?
Thanks,
Robert
On a Devuan Ascii system, what is the package that installs the /etc/init.d script for libvirtd? Is it libvirt-daemon-system, or is it libvirt-daemon-system-sysv?
Thanks,
Robert
I found the reason for my case of not getting updates. My /etc/apt/sources.list had originally only listed the cdrom (well, actually DVD to be more precise) as sources. That's likely a side effect of not configuring the network in the installer. When I noticed a Raspberry Pi 3 running Devuan Ascii was getting updates that my main X86 system was not getting, investigation yielded that the Raspberry Pi's /etc/apt/sources.list had separate lines for "ascii", "ascii-updates", and "ascii-security" (along with a commented-out line for "ascii-backports"). After changing my /etc/apt/sources.list to mimic the one on the Raspberry Pi, I had ~164MB of updates to download, including Firefox 60.6.1esr.
Thanks for that pointer. The case described there is for when "... eth0 is not connected to a network," In my case, my eth0 _is_ connected to a network, the same cable, switch/router port, and such where the X86 machine running Devuan Ascii boots with_out_ any DCPDISCOVER delay. The only relevant hits found by a couple of searches were the 2660 and 1688 threads already discussed. The 2660 thread has one solution of removing all mention of eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces, which would leave that NIC entirely unconfigured. That thread also points to the 1668 thread. In the 1668 thread, post #2 says to, "Replace 'allow-hotplug' with 'auto'. That ('auto') is what I have. Post #18 also says to remove all mention of eth0 from /etc/network/interfaces, but again that would leave that NIC entirely unconfigured, which is not the desired state when eth0 is connected to a network.
Thanks for the reply. I read through both of those threads and the Debian bug report referenced in the latter thread. Here's a little more detail on my situation:
I'm using only eth0 (well, and lo, of course), not wlan.
For essentially all practical purposes, I always have the network cable plugged in when I boot the Raspberry Pi.
I do not have Network Manager installed.
I boot to text console, not graphical login manager.
My directory /etc/network/interfaces.d is empty, and I have these four non-comment, non-empty lines in /etc/network/interfaces:
auto lo
iface lo inet loopback
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp
Those four lines are identical to the corresponding lines in a 64-bit X86 machine that also runs Devuan Ascii. The X86 machine does not have any delays.
Those four lines are also exactly how the datacenter network gurus where I work have always configured Debian-based systems for dynamic IP address on eth0. Following the examples of said gurus, that's the way I have configured Debian-based systems I have worked with. Except for cases whether the DHCP server (run by corporate IT) is slower than slow, I have not seen similar delays on those machines--only on the Raspberry Pi.
The X86 machine I mentioned and Raspberry Pi were tested with the same network cable, same port on the switch and router, etc.
When I boot the Raspberry Pi, the LEDs on the RJ45 jack behave curiously. Initially, both are off. Then, the yellow/amber LED on the right blinks on a couple of times and then goes back off--doing this once shortly before the DHCPDISCOVER line appears on the console and then again shortly after that line appears. After the DHCPDISCOVER line appears on the console, and I think after the second round of yellow/amber blinks, the tree LED on the left comes on and stays on.
My hunch is there is something different about how the Raspberry Pi's NIC hardware, firmware, and/or drivers are initialized (relative to most X86 desktops and servers) that causes the initial dhclient process invoked by /etc/init.d/networking invoking "ifup -a" to fail/hang.
Is anyone acquainted well enough with the Raspberry Pi 3B+ NIC hardware/firmware/drivers to shed more light on why the Raspberry Pi shows the hang while the X86 machine does not?
I have a hypothesis that one possible workaround would be to remove the 'auto eth0' line from /etc/network/interfaces and add an "ifup eth0" or perhaps "ifup -a" command to /etc/rd.local. Any second opinions on whether this would likely be reliable?
Thank you, golinux, for your #22 reply. Bug fixes and security updates are all I was looking for. The Firefox ESR updates in question are security updates and bug fixes. Interestingly, even though I had done nothing to my apt configuration, this morning there were over a hundred package upgrades available. Perhaps, the mirrors might not have been syncing.
When booting a Raspberry Pi 3B+ running Devuan Ascii from image devuan_ascii_2.0.0_arm64_raspi3.img.xz plus package upgrades plus installing a bunch of non-default packages, the system tries to get an IP address from DHCP, but DHCP does not usually succeed. About 3/4 of the time, the boot process pauses after printing one DHCPDISCOVER line, then a few/several dozen seconds later several more DHCPDISCOVER lines plus one "No DHCPOFFERS received" line print, and the boot process goes on without eth0 being up. Later, after everything else has booted, a simple (as root) ifdown eth0 followed by ifup eth0 works within a second or two. About 1/4 of all boots, DHCP gets an IP address in a few/several seconds, and the system boots with eth0 having a functional IP address.
Is this a known issue with DHCP and/or the Ethernet adapter driver? Is there a known solution or workaround? Is there a kernel module that should be listed to be loaded earlier in the boot process?
Thanks.
It has been at least two or three weeks again since I have seen an ascii update. For instance, IIRC, Firefox ESR has two updates released (60.4.0 and 60.5.0) but not yet visible through Devuan ascii (60.3.0esr). Or, did I miss a memo that ascii has been EOLed?
Is there a replacement for xmacroplay? It's a marvelously useful utility that uses the XTest facility and allows scripting of control of GUIs. It can move the cursor to specified pixel positions, pause for specified durations, press and release buttons and/or keys, and enter strings. It has served me well for many years, including on Debian 7/Wheezy and Slackware 14.2. However, on a new Devuan Ascii installation, the 32-bit binary (with the necessary 32-bit library packages installed) often behaves slightly erratically. When entering a string, occasionally it omits or repeats characters, sometimes repeating multiple characters in a row (turning "blog" into "blloog", for example). I tried recompiling it, but the code is so old the modern compilers choke on it (include <iostream.h>, using a string constant as a (non-const) char array, and at least one more serious issue.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.
On a new Devuan Ascii installation, my HP ScanJet 6300C is seen by sane-find-scanner at some "libusb:00N:00M". If I do "scanimage --help -d hp:libusb:00N:00M" (same numbers returned by sane-find-scanner), I get a list of scanner-specific options that appear to be reasonable. However, if I attempt "scanimage -d hp:libusb:00N:00M" (same numbers returned by sane-find-scanner), I get "Error during device I/O". The scanner worked fine with Debian 7/Wheezy. Slackware 14.2 gave me the "Error during device I/O", appearing to be the same symptom as with Devuan Ascii. The scanner is between 15 and 20 years old, but it works fine from a Raspberry Pi (itself and its OS a few years old) with essentially the same commands as give the "Error during device I/O" on Slackware 14.2 and Devuan Ascii. My hunch is bit rot has caused a bug to creep into libusb and/or scanimage when working with hardware that old.
Any suggestions?
Thanks in advance.