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#1 Re: Installation » [solved] not Cranky anymore: Lenovo 300e » 2019-09-16 12:22:03

bgstack15 wrote:

Thank you for sharing your experience with Devuan on a laptop/tablet device. I am starting to consider a lightweight computer for non-techy family members, and this model sounds decent.

Can you tell me about your experience with any desktop environments on that platform? I'm interested in xfce.

If i'm not mistaken, it's XFCE that i use... the one with the rrrrrat icon.  Works great.  Battery life seems strong, but i've had so many hardware changes lately that i haven't yet just sat and used this device enough to get a firm grip on how long the battery will last.

However, "non-techy family members" says to me "find 'em an LTE Chromebook" that's affordable, and good luck with the affordable part.  A chromebook is about the most convenient box around, i have an early Samsung Pro and my largest complaint for non-development use is having to set up a hotspot for it.  Had it set up to swap chromeos/linux with crouton, imo that bit isn't quite ready for prime-time yet, but Google are making noises about expanding linux support and i haven't seen that just yet.

If they need Windows, then yes, this might be a good choice.  Based on past experience, i was pleasantly surprised that the recovery media Lenovo sent (had to ask for it) was able to reinstall Windows.  But really, this is the first time i've used Windows since i ditched Vista for linux years ago, so i can't comment on how fast Windows is or isn't.  Linux... my regular linux box is a Thinkpad t510, which has an i5 processor, and this box isn't much slower even though it's an m3 in s-mode.  It's a bit heavier than i'd prefer but weight/price is a definite tradeoff.

#2 Installation » [solved] not Cranky anymore: Lenovo 300e » 2019-09-05 22:35:29

crankypuss
Replies: 7

I am loving Devuan and Lenovo!

I needed a Windows system (Paint still beats anything i've seen on linux for drawing and bitmap editing, and i have some ancient C++ code that does its own window-drawing under Win32 ) ,so i bought this laptop as a special-use device.

Lo and behold, Lenovo comes through again.  It's a shrimpy system space-wise, and i've had issues with linux hosing up a Windows setup before, so forget trying to install linux on the primary drive and expecting dual-boot.  But, it boots off a USB device or a memory-card if you set it up right.  And the processor is plenty fast to run linux.

Basically i twiddled the Windows BIOS parms, jammed my Devuan daily-backup USB into a port, and booted it up.  If there's no USB device plugged in, it goes to Windows, if a USB device (linux) is present, it brings up the grub menu.  If i wanted a fulltime linux, i could change the grub setup to boot Windows-10 or one of the other linux distros i keep on hand, and leave an sdcard plugged in.  However, it seems just as easy to keep the sdcard on my keychain, and plug it in when I need to use linux.

There are lots of ways to go with this device, it could be a fulltime linux box with a few minutes' tweaking.  For under $300 it's a great buy.  Good screen, great audio, snappy enough to run linux, even Windows isn't too abominably slow.

It does not come in an LTE version fwiw (sniff).  There is no external indication that it's charging, or plugged in, unless it's flipped open.  The keyboard is not backlit like my preferred Logitech K810, but the keyboard feel is almost identical, and the key-centers are not too different from the K810; for a touch typist it's important.  Oh and they provide a Delete key, despite Apple's fashion statement about only needing backspace.

Anyway, i wanted to let you folks know it's a nice little linux box for under $300, and unlike a lot of devices, it's quite linux-friendly imo.

#3 Re: Installation » Devuan Fails to Install on Usb Sata Disk » 2019-08-30 16:12:31

aut0exec wrote:

Agree with Dutch_Master.

While I don't have other distro's installed on it, I do have a USB stick that boots a Devuan Ascii instance just fine. So it definitely can be done!

Easiest way to install on a USB stick is (imo) to install onto your main system, then blast the partition to the USB stick, and point grub at it.  The install software isn't all that great yet, certainly not in a usability way, though it's not as bad as an android app where you just poke-and-hope-iit-doesn't-mean-formatMe.  But it has gotten better since jessie, as i recall, and i assume someone is working on it now and then when they get around to it.

The USB stick i use for everyday secondary-backup is bootable and has devuan-ascii on it along with debian-jessie.  The SSD that's my tertiary backup also lists ubuntu-oneiric-32 since that's where i stopped development on something i didn't want to discard.  Multi-boot on a MSDOS partition format is basically dead simple, unless you have a bitchy-POS like the Dell XPS13, the BIOS of which enforces Windows-y requirements for booting off a primary partition or something like that, because Microsft wanted it that way for Windows.

hth

#4 Re: Installation » Disabling or changing size of swap PRIOR to guided install? » 2019-08-30 15:57:31

OP: Suggest you boot from a secondary and resize the swap partition first.  Beware of its UUID changing, there's a way to set it back but you know that.  Assuming you care what it's UUID is.  Also suggest you pitch grub into the trash (regardless) and take a look at syslinux.  It appears that it's still in the distro.  Better than grub in every way, back while i was using it, but it was restricted to a single partition because nobody wrote the filesystem code for that.  I'm seeing an EFI file is now associated with the syslinux package.  Whatever, i wish you luck, when linux runs out of resources it's a real pain, and apparently there's no proactivity-factor to increase resource-lookahead from basically none-whatsoever to something that screams its head off before you run into the no-resources-wall and feel the Catch-22.  IF all this isn't entirely irrelevant and meaningless lol.

#5 Re: Installation » Pi Zero W - How to connect over usb? » 2019-08-30 14:59:38

czeekaj wrote:

I installed the Rasbian Devuan Image for arm on a Raspi 3.
I just used dd to the SD card on my laptop and it booted up fine.
Although I filled the SD card now I am getting some errors even after freeing some space.
I'll probably have to re-flash it at some point.
It was an ascii image.
I used it to mess around on systems wink

Only recently did i discover what "Raspberry pi" meant; go figure, i'm old and stupid.  Anyway, it sounds as though you are running out of storage on the SD card, which you recognize.  What you might *not* be aware of, is how abysmally lame linux is when it runs out of storage.  It's like, okay, so we're out of storage, what are we gonna do about it? We'll just run this tool like... oh, baobab maybe, (and i like baobab for what it's worth).  But the tool needs resources and they're all gone.  Catch-22, bigtime; if you haven't been there before.

linux needs to have a user-settable configuration parameter that specifies "how proactive do you want the system to be when storage is running low?"

Yeah, i know, why don't i build one. <g>  About the best i could do to help within my time constraints is to write some half-assed PHP utility to deal with it through a text-mode interface.  If that's potentially useful, let me know.  Otherwise, good luck, really; i think there's a chinese phrase that describes the lands we move into when resources run low, "qi-qi-gui-gui" if i've remembered it right, anyway it means "when strange things happen".

#6 Re: Installation » Motorola Droid 4 » 2019-08-04 12:56:40

d1str0 wrote:

have you looked at Maemo leste yet?

I haven't and I will try it, however I want vanilla Devuan on the phone to use it as a mini laptop of sorts. I don't care if I can't use it as a phone. That being said if for example Maemo leste let's me install applications from Devuan's repository and generally fool around like I do with my others systems, all the better.

I will try it and report back.
Thanks.

Have you considered a Raspberry Pi using your droid as its output terminal?  Not sure, but i think there's a Devuan build for the Raspberry Pi, fwiw.  If you just want a tiny laptop, it may be of interest; if it needs to be pocket proof you'd need to build stuff, most likely.  fwiw

#7 Re: Off-topic » At first I thought it was insane, but then I saw who was behind it. » 2019-08-02 09:00:42

jeffreyC wrote:

At first I could not understand why removing a dns discovery program would require removing gtk3 but when I found out that avahi was developed by Lennart Poettering it became much clearer.

Everything must depend on everything else so that all the components of the monolith are present.

Amen, hear-hear, etc... not to imply that i know Lennart Poettering, or have seen all that he's done, or read *any* of his code, but the bit about everything relying on everything else resonates loudly.

Once a system reaches a certain level of complexity, any imperfections in its design are magnified, often to the point where it's just a big mess.  Everything is hooked into everything else.  Take a look at how many libraries get loaded when you fresh-boot linux/devuan.  Or when you run any app for that matter.  To see what i'm talking about, in real life as opposed to some bullshit thought-experiment, proceed as follows:

1. Install ascii, or any other version of linux (since it's an across-the-board performance failure imo), on the oldest, slowest POS system you can lay your hands on, and pick one with a slow-spinning Winchester disk.  Once you have it installed, measure and record (a) fresh-boot time, (b) time to start Firefox (or the slowest big-app you normally use, gimp maybe, something you start often enough to notice differences).

2. Now take out the Winchester disk.  Copy it to an SSD.  Repeat the measurements.  The only thing that has changed is the speed of fetches, therefore the change in measurements is linear with respect to the number of fetches.  Figure it out.  There are way too many libraries. 

You could run similar performance tests using an app that's statically linked, as opposed to one that uses some high-level library.  The results will be the same, maybe more dramatic.  I have an old Acer laptop with a 32-bit Intel, i think it's an N270 but offhand i don't recall.  And i have code that runs as fast on it as it will run on an i7 simply because it doesn't load as many libraries, or in the case of apps like PHP which use includes, the number of includes is analogous to the number of machine-code libraries so it's leveraged, includes *times* hardcode libraries.

Now, once you've tumbled to the *massive* level of interdependencies within linux, regardless of distro, maybe you'll consider just what it would take to fix everything that Lennart Poettering's changes have affected, from what little i understand of git (yeah, i know, i'll git around to learning it Real Soon Now), it should be possible to find out just which modules need to be backed out; pretend it's a trojan intentionally planted by some genius who turns out to have been an idiot, or a hacker from the Evil Empire, or whatever.  The point is to see just how much damage can be done, and where it's been done, whether accidentally and with good intent, or otherwise.

Perhaps i've gone on a ramble here, this blueberry diesel is quite good.  Sometimes a system gets so balled up that the only way to fix it is to replace it on a mass level, ie rewrite the whole thing from scratch.  And when you have a humongous tightly-interdependent system, like a linux distro, the how-to of that can be a trick.

#8 Re: Other Issues » not an issue, just a question » 2019-05-18 23:56:48

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Are you telling me that you didn't read the entire link?

The second method listed works under sysvinit...

Why should i read the entire goddamn link to hear all the things wrong with Ubuntu?

So you're not documenting Devuan any different than Debian, hit and miss, good luck sucker.

I'll go look at the second method used by Ubuntu in order to see how to do it in Devuan.

It should be a parameter in one of the configuration dialogs, but you know that already.

Thanks.

#9 Re: Other Issues » not an issue, just a question » 2019-05-18 01:26:16

Thank you, are you telling me that it's the same under Devuan as it is under Ubuntu which runs systemd?

#10 Re: Installation » Interested in installing devuan, couple questions before I do » 2019-05-18 01:17:35

fsmithred wrote:
crankypuss wrote:

Exactly why can't a hibernated system be distributed as the install iso, you just have to be able to boot from the damn thing.

A hibernated system already knows what hardware you have, where it is and what modules need to be loaded. That saves a lot of time.

Yes, and unless the hardware has been changed it will be the same as it was when it was shut down, and if the hardware was changed, you can initialize the new hardware.  Unless things have changed in the world it takes much less time to identify the hardware than it does to initialize it.

fsmithred wrote:

Currently, you can use the installer isos to install directly from the medium to avoid having to download the packages. That can save you some time, but those packages still need to be unpacked and configured. Or you can use the live isos and avoid downloading, unpacking and configuring the packages, but then you don't get to choose what packages are installed.

If you want a package selection that's different from the default, then you either have to do it yourself starting from a minimal install, or you have to find a derivative distribution that has what you want.

I keep thinking of other ways to do this, but I haven't come up with anything that I think is good enough to replace what we already have.

If you have a minimal Devuan install it can be copied to the target partition with rsync (or dd, though rsync is faster in my experience) and assuming all the drivers are present it'll start right up like a champ.   Then you can install whatever you want.  The trick to that part seems to be that there's no really good/comprehensive customization facility; apt is great if you already know what you want to do, synaptic is easier but still needs some user understanding.

#11 Re: Installation » Interested in installing devuan, couple questions before I do » 2019-05-13 01:55:04

Dutch_Master wrote:
crankypuss wrote:

IMO it's a disgrace that there's no linux distro that will start up in less than a second on some average mid-level machine.

Name me any OS that performs this from a cold start. roll

I had, for a time, a moderately spec'd desktop that could do a cold start in under 10 seconds, using an SSD, running Funtoo. This was with a Grub time-out period, so effectively it could boot in under 5 seconds. I'm still on the same hardware, but as I had to change OS due to Funtoo's inability to perform an intelligent update/upgrade w/o breaking virtually anything, switching to Devuan, it takes a little longer to boot, but still below 30 sec.

BeOS used to fwiw, before it was more profitable to put it down.  How long does it take to restart linux from hibernation?  Exactly why can't shutdown act as a beefed-up hibernate?  How long does it take to compare previous-hardware with current-hardware?  Exactly why can't a hibernated system be distributed as the install iso, you just have to be able to boot from the damn thing.

Light your brains up, folks.  Too many blows to the head from a red head covering seems to have busted some freedom of thought.

#12 Re: Installation » The most secure hardened kernel » 2019-05-13 01:48:40

alupoj wrote:

I just need to protect information from undesirable modifications.

Suggest this:

1. make sure it's owned by root, an additional hurdle
2.  set the file to immutable (chattr), directory recursive etc as appropriate.

"A file with the 'i' attribute cannot be modified: it cannot be deleted or renamed, no link can be created to this file and no data can be written to the file. Only the superuser or a process possessing the CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE capability can set or clear this attribute."

hth

#13 Other Issues » not an issue, just a question » 2019-05-13 01:39:18

crankypuss
Replies: 4

back at some point in time, on debian or ubuntu or who knows what, there was a SUSPEND HYBRID which saved state to the swap file, suspended to keep hot-startup, and after some time had passed, shut off system power.

this thinkpad-t510 does a suspend when the lid is shut (not hibernate) and the battery is small for the machine according to today's standards.  wanting to set it to Hybrid i realized that i'd forgotten where the parameter file lives.  looking for that via google, i found that suspend is version-dependent.

having made a short story long, how does one set up suspend-hybrid on Devuan?

#14 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable » 2019-05-10 14:32:30

alupoj wrote:

Thank you very much for returning us the good old Debian as it was in its versions till 5 (Lenny) before it was gradually occupied by systemD corps. I do not treat debian.org true Debian anymore, real free Debian is here at devuan.org now.

Why not to add a Libre (deblobed) kernel directly to Devuan distro? It would make Devuan even more free than it already is and may be even more free than Debian 5 Lenny was.

The same as:
deb mirror://linux-libre.fsfla.org/pub/linux-libre/freesh/mirrors.txt

I run this kernel with Ascii and it is awesome!

After this is done it would be easier for distros without non-free components like EterTICs and Dyne:bolic to maintain them.

Trinity desktop environment would be welcome very much too.

Actually I miss these two things in your repository: Libre kernel & Trinity DE. Like it could be in Exe & EterTICs simultaneously.

Devuan might also be the first to stop screwing around with all this internet-downloading during the
install process and do it the easy way.  As someone with a truly crappy internet connectivity, let me say that installing a "netinst" is going to take longer than downloading an "iso" install, downloading works better here in the sticks over a Verizon cellphone than it did 5 or 10 years ago.  And you could set up an image of the latest stable version that will run on damn near anything and just blast over the needed files.  I've been cloning systems that way for years, as long as the drivers are all there in the right directories, nobody knows the difference.  Probably need to make a few "minor" alterations in the setup dialog, since it would become a "super-customization" dialog launched on an already-running new devuan install.

#15 Re: Installation » Interested in installing devuan, couple questions before I do » 2019-05-10 14:23:52

fsmithred wrote:

Sysvinit will continue to be the default init system in devuan. Openrc is available, working and easy to install. I'm not sure of the status of runit (or S6 for that matter) but they exist and people are working on it.

What about newly developed init systems?  I've never used git.   How do people go about getting new projects added to the devuan distro?  Are we talking about "joe's ppa" until somehow checked out, or how does that work?  This is probably the wrong place to ask this from a developer's pov, i'll continue in another section as appropriate, but since i am working on something of that nature, i didn't want to just scroll past and forget about it.  IMO it's a disgrace that there's no linux distro that will start up in less than a second on some average mid-level machine.  But then i'm cranky, lol.

#16 Re: Other Issues » VLC has no codecs » 2019-05-07 15:53:30

roluan17 wrote:

Oh, I forgot:

whinging like a spoilt little baby

That was good too.
Hope ralph.ronnquist doesn't grumble now.

There's no accounting for morons.  It can't be helped.  You can try to train them, but their brains are lacking a few connections or something.  If you thump one upside the head enough to get it to listen, it'll accept pretty much whatever you pour in, but it still fails to discern fashion from engineering, and can't come up with something new without a diagram drawn in crayon.

#17 Re: Other Issues » VLC has no codecs » 2019-05-07 15:49:42

roluan17 wrote:

Thanks a lot for the answers in this thread. It helped me to find out, why my totem player did not play DVD's.
But it helped me too through the day (I was in a kind of stinking mood, because I wanted to watch that film and not seeking errors)

I must say that you're living up to your nick.

That was good! ;-)
(Did you look up "crankypuss"? I did:

https://www.pinterest.de/pin/1422856694 … 9/?lp=true

even better:
https://crankypuss.wordpress.com/

Thanks again for both: help and laughter

Glad you got something useful from the thread.

That's some other crankypuss.  I used to have a blog (on blogger) called "the Totally Portable Software project" but when i now go to the link i have for it, it demands that i "confirm your profile" and it can kiss my ass because i don't want to confirm any goddamn profile.  Probably if you look it up with your favorite search engine and take the link, it won't ask you to confirm any profile, or maybe Google have decided it was a bad idea and wasted it, no great loss blogger never was good for much imo.

#18 Re: Other Issues » VLC has no codecs » 2019-05-06 03:37:24

golinux wrote:

I must say that you're living up to your nick.

You know what?  I have supported packages.  Not here, not linux, not lately.  In the '80s and '90s within IBM there was a repository called vmtools.  I'm not fresh off the street.  In fact i was learning to write code before Linus was born, and in 1972 i was writing kernel code as a new grad.  It was a good time.

I've been watching the software industry go downhill since around 2000, and it was bad enough then, but actually it's been going downhill since the late 1970s when Apple was just getting started and Microsoft was doing its thing.

I've been using linux since Ubuntu-oneric, whenever that was, almost a decade i guess, ligaf.  I dug in and learned.  I saw linux early on, when all there was were a few cd's available in any bookstore.  I looked at it then and i've kept an eye on it since.

About the time i got ubuntu tuned up to where it was almost fit to use, putting it bells and whistles like a login page that tells you which of your dozen partitions you are actually running, blah blah.  Wrote some utilities to make life easier.  Life was good, time to get down to some serious code for a change.

Then the next release broke pretty much everything, systemd had its effects.  I fixed my stuff release after release, somewhat incredulous at the primitive tools people were using.

I understand the legal mess.  I understand the technology we invented in earlier generations because i was there and doing some of it.  I understand the emasculating effects of non-competition agreements.  I've started businesses, sold software, perhaps been ripped off by Microsoft but that's dead and gone.

So when i see some of this stuff... bash for krissake, IBM passed beyond that decades ago, and they quit being leaders with OS/360, they no longer have the balls to bet the company.  It's getting worse and worse.  Now everybody is following Apple, first getting rid of the Delete key, then moving everything to the cloud.  Adobe has made Photoshop "rental only", and is gimp ready to step in?

Whatever.  When i was actively in the industry, i had a family to support.  Since i retired in 2000 i haven't been doing much software.  Since my wife died i've been doing even less.  Now i'm coming back to life and the whole FOSS thing pisses me off.

Oh, i'm absolutely in favor of free-and-open-source-software, but the legalities of it all rather displease me.  And mixing FOSS and proprietary is a huge mess for legal reasons.

But folks, we don't have to let it stay this way!  We can actually start software moving forward again, instead of getting our emojis updated!

Bah, nobody cares, and nobody believes some used-up old never-was.

That's okay, i don't care that much either.  I'll only ever write one more app anyway.

At least there are some folks here worth arguing with, a couple of them could use a thump upside the head with the stupid-stick, but karma is real and the effects you've caused will come around to kick your ass sooner or later. 

We know what can be done, we just don't bother to do it.

#19 Re: Other Issues » VLC has no codecs » 2019-05-05 04:47:46

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Devuan is intended for competent GNU/Linux users, perhaps try one of the derivatives if you're finding it a challenge.

Try

# apt install libdvdread4

That worked, and thank you for the insult. 

Care to explain why i had to go through all this in order to get the codecs that should have been installed as part of the VLC package?

No, you probably don't; it would involve admitting that the package is broken, and linux advocates do not ever admit that anything is broken, badly designed, etc---instead they insult the user to make him/her go away.

It's been this way forever, Catch-22, you have to read all the code to get anything done.  It's typical of test-level code, pre-beta stuff that somebody slapped into the distro kinda sorta.  It's a community issue.

Anyway thanks to your insult and your suggestion, i'm able to play dvd's.  Now i get to try and figure out what bluetooth components are missing/mal-installed and preventing a DOSS SoundBox from connecting.

People probably wonder why Android and ChromeOS are so popular and linux less so: installing apps on those platforms just works, unlike linux.  That's because Google put the work in to make things install correctly.  Unlike *any* linux platform i've used in the past however many years since ubuntu-oneric was current.

Why does the linux community have to remain stuck like this?

#20 Re: Other Issues » VLC has no codecs » 2019-05-04 01:51:24

Okay, installing libdvd-pkg (synaptic) brings the following up:

"This package automates the process of launching downloads of the source files for libdvdcss2 from videolan.org, compiling them, and installing the binary packages (libdvdcss2 libdvdcss-dev).

Please run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure libdvd-pkg" to launch this process for the first time."

Seems like it should tell you to exit synaptic first, if you don't things are locked.

Running it produces this:

libdvd-pkg: Downloading orig source...
I: libdvdcss_1.4.0
/usr/bin/wget --tries=3 --timeout=40 --read-timeout=40 --continue -O libdvdcss_1.4.0.orig.tar.bz2 \
          http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvd … .0.tar.bz2 \
        || /usr/bin/uscan --noconf --verbose --rename --destdir=/usr/src/libdvd-pkg --check-dirname-level=0 --force-download --download-current-version /usr/share/libdvd-pkg/debian
--2019-05-03 19:45:48--  http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvd … .0.tar.bz2
Resolving download.videolan.org (download.videolan.org)... 2a01:e0d:1:3:58bf:fa02:c0de:5, 88.191.250.2
Connecting to download.videolan.org (download.videolan.org)|2a01:e0d:1:3:58bf:fa02:c0de:5|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: 364373 (356K) [application/octet-stream]
Saving to: ‘libdvdcss_1.4.0.orig.tar.bz2’

libdvdcss_1.4.0.ori 100%[===================>] 355.83K   576KB/s    in 0.6s   

2019-05-03 19:45:49 (576 KB/s) - ‘libdvdcss_1.4.0.orig.tar.bz2’ saved [364373/364373]

libdvd-pkg: Checking orig.tar integrity...
/usr/src/libdvd-pkg/libdvdcss_1.4.0.orig.tar.bz2: OK
libdvd-pkg: Unpacking and configuring...
libdvd-pkg: Building the package... (it may take a while)
libdvd-pkg: Build log will be saved to /usr/src/libdvd-pkg/libdvdcss2_1.4.0-1~local_i386.build
Current: = cap_chown,cap_dac_override,cap_dac_read_search,cap_fowner,cap_fsetid,cap_kill,cap_setgid,cap_setuid,cap_setpcap,cap_linux_immutable,cap_net_bind_service,cap_net_broadcast,cap_net_admin,cap_net_raw,cap_ipc_lock,cap_ipc_owner,cap_sys_module,cap_sys_rawio,cap_sys_chroot,cap_sys_ptrace,cap_sys_pacct,cap_sys_admin,cap_sys_boot,cap_sys_nice,cap_sys_resource,cap_sys_time,cap_sys_tty_config,cap_mknod,cap_lease,cap_audit_write,cap_audit_control,cap_setfcap,cap_mac_override,cap_mac_admin,cap_syslog,cap_wake_alarm,cap_block_suspend,cap_audit_read+ep
Bounding set =cap_chown,cap_dac_override,cap_fowner,cap_wake_alarm,cap_block_suspend,cap_audit_read
Securebits: 024/0x14/5'b10100
secure-noroot: no (unlocked)
secure-no-suid-fixup: yes (unlocked)
secure-keep-caps: yes (unlocked)
uid=0(root)
gid=0(root)
groups=0(root)
libdvd-pkg: Installing...
Selecting previously unselected package libdvdcss-dev:i386.
(Reading database ... 165303 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../libdvdcss-dev_1.4.0-1~local_i386.deb ...
Unpacking libdvdcss-dev:i386 (1.4.0-1~local) ...
Selecting previously unselected package libdvdcss2-dbgsym:i386.
Preparing to unpack .../libdvdcss2-dbgsym_1.4.0-1~local_i386.deb ...
Unpacking libdvdcss2-dbgsym:i386 (1.4.0-1~local) ...
Selecting previously unselected package libdvdcss2:i386.
Preparing to unpack .../libdvdcss2_1.4.0-1~local_i386.deb ...
Unpacking libdvdcss2:i386 (1.4.0-1~local) ...
Setting up libdvdcss2:i386 (1.4.0-1~local) ...
Setting up libdvdcss-dev:i386 (1.4.0-1~local) ...
Setting up libdvdcss2-dbgsym:i386 (1.4.0-1~local) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.24-11+deb9u4) ...

i'm not seeing any error messages at the end of the output.

VLC still cannot play a dvd.  Its media-information display is empty, all tabs are empty, though it shows the correct name of the dvd.

It plays audio disks fine, dvd's are no-go.

#21 Other Issues » VLC has no codecs » 2019-05-03 22:21:56

crankypuss
Replies: 19

Okay, i think the problem came up because i didn't have non-free repositories in sources.lst

It's in there now.  I've uninstalled VLC and reinstalled it, still no codecs.

Thinkpad T510, the dvd player worked when Windows-10 was installed.

I wanna love Devuan.  I'm trying, but compared to Android for installs, not so great.  First ncurses for php, now vlc.


sources.list:

# deb cdrom:[devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_dvd-1]/ ascii main non-free

# deb cdrom:[devuan_ascii_2.0.0_i386_dvd-1]/ ascii non-free main

deb http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main non-free contrib
deb-src http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main non-free contrib

deb http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main non-free contrib
deb-src http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main non-free contrib

deb http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main non-free contrib
deb-src http://us.deb.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main non-free contrib

#22 Re: Installation » [solved] choosing a laptop to get Devuan up and running *on* » 2019-04-15 13:56:45

As it turns out... i had previously purchased a refurbished Lenovo t510 laptop with Windows 10 pro installed on it.  Was going to use it as a DVD player since my grandson broke my old Sony player.  When i installed Devuan ascii "alongside" Windows, the partition table went unreadable... gparted couldn't properly read the partition table prior to this, and i suspect the refurb wasn't kosher from a software pov.  Having rendered it inoperable, i installed Devuan on it, and i'm quite happy with the device, Devuan had no trouble coping with any of its hardware (which i haven't fully checked out yet, it was just a DVD player for $95 after all).  I'm not sure if Devuan supports fingerprint recognition or not, it might be more convenient than typing a password to unlock the screensaver, but i don't feel like pressing my luck.

Thanks folks.  The Lenovo t510 is built big and solid, quite linux-hospitable.

#23 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable » 2019-04-13 23:49:00

I'm not sure why i thought it was a new post.  Getting used to the forum software i guess.  Sorry.

#24 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable » 2019-04-12 18:29:34

KatolaZ wrote:

Dear Init Freedom Lovers

Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you!

We are happy to announce that Devuan GNU+Linux 2.0 ASCII Stable is finally
available.

Devuan is a GNU+Linux distribution committed to providing a universal,
stable, dependable, free software operating system that uses and promotes
alternatives to systemd and its components.

...tl/dr

happy hacking ;^)

Okay, for stupid guys like me who are already running Devuan ascii, do we need to *do* anything to upgrade to 2.0 stable, or will this happen as a result of regular updates?  Really, i'm old, i only have a few years left for reading instructions! <g>

#25 Re: Installation » Migration problem: network » 2019-04-12 18:10:21

golinux wrote:
crankypuss wrote:

I've forgotten, was it stretch that introduced systemd?  I've been falling back to jessie for years.

The first bits of systemd appeared in Wheezy.

LOL, wheezy is one of the versions i just deleted as a waste of space.  I'm running Devuan ascii, with backups on Debian jessie and Ubuntu oneiric, none of them have systemd as i'm reading it.  Ug like.

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