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#1 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Mate panel lockups » 2019-03-28 00:24:37

NFT5

Quick update. MATE 1.20 did work better and remained stable for some time but then the random panel crashes came back. Not as often but unacceptably frequent on a production machine that I rely on for work.

So, I've given up and moved to XFCE. It's ridiculously complex to set up and needs a raft of additional apps to work properly, but is rock solid stable.

Interestingly, there may be something in rolfie's comment about hardware. The problem happens to me on desktops which run AMD FX chips but not at all on notebooks which run either Intel or AMD A series. Relevant or coincidental? Don't know.

#2 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Mate panel lockups » 2018-09-25 02:00:59

NFT5

Memory isn't an issue on this machine, see below for as it stands right now. I can't give you the figures for when it crashes, since I seem to have resolved that, at least at the effect level.

chris@BOSSDESK:~$ free -mt
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           7954        1462        5086         100        1404        6092
Swap:         20479         314       20165
Total:        28434        1777       25252

I usually run a Win7 VM and a couple of programs which bumps RAM use up to around 5GB - still fairly comfortable in an 8GB system, viz.:

 chris@BOSSDESK:~$ free -mt
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:           7954        4782        1595         108        1576        2763
Swap:         20479         306       20173
Total:        28434        5089       21768

#3 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Mate panel lockups » 2018-09-23 23:34:39

NFT5

I have experienced the same problem, compounded by issues of the panel icons re-ordering.

I asked the question on the Debian forum but received no response. For convenience of members here, I've quoted the posts below:

NFT5 wrote:

For my everyday work I use Jessie and it is wonderfully stable. I don't usually upgrade immediately after a new version release, waiting for the bugs to be ironed out or solutions/workarounds found. So, over the last couple of months I've had a few tries at getting Stretch installed and running. Not really successfully so far. Also tried MX17 and Devuan Ascii with the same results - random crashes which I'm reasonably sure have something to do with the MATE panel.

Google searches don't yield much except a few mentions of similar problems - mouse becomes unresponsive, then keyboard and the only way out is a hard reset. There seems to be some thinking that it is GTK2/3 theme related and so, yesterday I tried a vanilla installation using the TraditionalOk theme (reported as being stable), without any other changes. Went fine for a few hours then, without warning, crashed again. Same symptoms as previously with mouse becoming less and less responsive, then keyboard not responding and all the while the HDD light being constantly on. I just walked away in disgust and did a hard reset this morning.

Upon restarting all my application launcher icons in the top panel had crowded across the the left hand side and reversed order. Same as what has happened previously and there have been some mentions of this in Google search results.

Problem is that I haven't really found a solution since I, and apparently others, don't really know the cause. There seems to be nothing specific that triggers this - on previous tries it has run for days without a problem and then crashed again 30 minutes or less after recovery. Seems to be completely random.

I'm running MATE 1.16 now but have tried 1.18 before, without any improvement. I've seen a mention that 1.20 may have fixed it (fully GTK3) but can't find any confirmation.

Following is an extract from syslog, starting about 15 minutes before the last crash which happened at 21.02, and then the log continues for some time after that. There are another 7 hours of log, but nothing any different.

Jul 15 20:46:47 BOSSDESK dbus[520]: [system] Activating via systemd: service name='org.freedesktop.hostname1' unit='dbus-org.freedesktop.hostname1.service'
Jul 15 20:46:47 BOSSDESK systemd[1]: Starting Hostname Service...
Jul 15 20:46:47 BOSSDESK dbus[520]: [system] Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.hostname1'
Jul 15 20:46:47 BOSSDESK systemd[1]: Started Hostname Service.
Jul 15 20:47:32 BOSSDESK kernel: [25181.809774] device enp3s0 left promiscuous mode
Jul 15 20:47:32 BOSSDESK kernel: [25181.923257] device enp3s0 entered promiscuous mode
Jul 15 20:48:00 BOSSDESK kernel: [25210.272804] device enp3s0 left promiscuous mode
Jul 15 20:48:00 BOSSDESK kernel: [25210.369179] device enp3s0 entered promiscuous mode
Jul 15 20:49:10 BOSSDESK kernel: [25279.910080] device enp3s0 left promiscuous mode
Jul 15 20:49:10 BOSSDESK kernel: [25279.991963] vboxnetflt: 16 out of 1831 packets were not sent (directed to host)
Jul 15 20:56:40 BOSSDESK dbus-daemon[821]: Activating service name='org.freedesktop.Notifications'
Jul 15 20:56:40 BOSSDESK dbus-daemon[821]: Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.Notifications'
Jul 15 20:56:40 BOSSDESK mate-notificati[31337]: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied.  dconf will not work properly.
Jul 15 20:56:40 BOSSDESK kernel: [25730.001148] traps: mate-notificati[31337] trap int3 ip:7f56835ab261 sp:7ffc4fd4c790 error:0
Jul 15 20:56:40 BOSSDESK kernel: [25730.001156]  in libglib-2.0.so.0.5000.3[7f568355b000+112000]
Jul 15 20:58:46 BOSSDESK dbus-daemon[821]: Activating service name='org.freedesktop.Notifications'
Jul 15 20:58:46 BOSSDESK dbus-daemon[821]: Successfully activated service 'org.freedesktop.Notifications'
Jul 15 20:58:46 BOSSDESK mate-notificati[31395]: unable to create file '/run/user/1000/dconf/user': Permission denied.  dconf will not work properly.
Jul 15 20:58:46 BOSSDESK kernel: [25856.143399] traps: mate-notificati[31395] trap int3 ip:7f7013453261 sp:7ffc154785f0 error:0
Jul 15 20:58:46 BOSSDESK kernel: [25856.143407]  in libglib-2.0.so.0.5000.3[7f7013403000+112000]
Jul 15 21:01:14 BOSSDESK systemd[1]: Started Run anacron jobs.
Jul 15 21:01:14 BOSSDESK systemd[1]: anacron.timer: Adding 2min 42.536485s random time.
Jul 15 21:01:14 BOSSDESK anacron[31483]: Anacron 2.3 started on 2018-07-15
Jul 15 21:01:14 BOSSDESK anacron[31483]: Normal exit (0 jobs run)
Jul 15 21:02:22 BOSSDESK kernel: [26071.824732] Chrome_ChildThr[30635]: segfault at 0 ip 00005606f08a7711 sp 00007fe45d3fe320 error 6 in plugin-container[5606f08a2000+1f000]
Jul 15 21:17:07 BOSSDESK cron[530]: (CRON) error (can't fork)
Jul 15 21:20:05 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Forecast for the rest of Sunday 15 July
Jul 15 21:20:09 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Clear. Winds north to northwesterly 15 to 20 km/h becoming light in the evening.
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: City Centre         Clear.
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Chance of any rain: 0%
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Forecast for Monday 16 July
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Cloudy. Areas of morning frost. Patchy fog. Slight (20%) chance of a shower.
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Light winds becoming northwesterly 15 to 25 km/h in the middle of the day then
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: becoming light in the evening.
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: City Centre         Early frost. Partly cloudy.   Min -4    Max 12
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Chance of any rain: 20%
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Around Canberra
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Tuggeranong         Min -5    Max 12
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Sun protection not recommended, UV Index predicted to reach 2 [Low]
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Forecast for Tuesday 17 July
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Areas of morning frost. Sunny day. Medium (40%) chance of showers, most likely
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: in the evening. Light winds becoming northwesterly 25 to 35 km/h in the morning
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: then tending westerly 15 to 20 km/h in the late evening.
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: City Centre         Morning frost. Possible shower.Min -1    Max 15
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Possible rainfall: 0 to 1 mm     Chance of any rain: 40%
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Forecast for Wednesday 18 July
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Mostly sunny. Areas of morning frost. Winds west to northwesterly 15 to 20 km/h
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: becoming light during the morning then becoming northwesterly 15 to 20 km/h
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: during the day.
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: City Centre         Mostly sunny.                 Min -1    Max 13
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Chance of any rain: 10%
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Forecast for Thursday 19 July
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Mostly sunny. Areas of morning frost. Winds north to northwesterly and light
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: increasing to 15 to 20 km/h during the day.
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: City Centre         Morning frost. Mostly sunny.  Min 0     Max 15
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Chance of any rain: 10%
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Forecast for Friday 20 July
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Partly cloudy. Medium (60%) chance of showers, most likely during the morning.
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Light winds becoming west to northwesterly 15 to 25 km/h during the morning.
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: City Centre         Shower or two.                Min 4     Max 12
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Possible rainfall: 0 to 3 mm     Chance of any rain: 60%
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Forecast for Saturday 21 July
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Partly cloudy. Light winds.
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: City Centre         Partly cloudy.                Min -3    Max 12
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Chance of any rain: 10%
Jul 15 21:20:10 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Forecast for Sunday 22 July
Jul 15 21:20:11 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Partly cloudy. Light winds.
Jul 15 21:20:11 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: City Centre         Partly cloudy.                Min -3    Max 13
Jul 15 21:20:11 BOSSDESK org.mate.panel.applet.MateWeatherAppletFactory[821]: Chance of any rain: 10%
Jul 15 21:26:43 BOSSDESK mateweather-app[19823]: Source ID 4230 was not found when attempting to remove it
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560204] dropbox invoked oom-killer: gfp_mask=0x24201ca(GFP_HIGHUSER_MOVABLE|__GFP_COLD), nodemask=0, order=0, oom_score_adj=0
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560205] dropbox cpuset=/ mems_allowed=0
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560209] CPU: 2 PID: 31305 Comm: dropbox Tainted: G           O    4.9.0-7-amd64 #1 Debian 4.9.110-1
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560209] Hardware name: Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. To be filled by O.E.M./970A-D3P, BIOS FB 10/28/2014
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560211]  0000000000000000 ffffffffaad30644 ffff98ec456cbc28 ffff8b1ab1192000
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560213]  ffffffffaac03b30 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000c00000000
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560215]  ffff8b1a97842100 ffffffffaab892d7 0000004200000000 b17f1364063ad64f
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560217] Call Trace:
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560222]  [<ffffffffaad30644>] ? dump_stack+0x5c/0x78
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560224]  [<ffffffffaac03b30>] ? dump_header+0x78/0x1fd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560226]  [<ffffffffaab892d7>] ? get_page_from_freelist+0x3f7/0xb20
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560227]  [<ffffffffaab8524a>] ? oom_kill_process+0x21a/0x3e0
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560228]  [<ffffffffaab84ecd>] ? oom_badness+0xed/0x170
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560229]  [<ffffffffaab856e1>] ? out_of_memory+0x111/0x470
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560231]  [<ffffffffaab8a957>] ? __alloc_pages_slowpath+0xbb7/0xbf0
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560232]  [<ffffffffaab8ab91>] ? __alloc_pages_nodemask+0x201/0x260
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560234]  [<ffffffffaabdb651>] ? alloc_pages_current+0x91/0x140
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560235]  [<ffffffffaab836c6>] ? filemap_fault+0x326/0x5d0
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560252]  [<ffffffffc02d8a01>] ? ext4_filemap_fault+0x31/0x50 [ext4]
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560254]  [<ffffffffaabb4257>] ? __do_fault+0x87/0x170
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560255]  [<ffffffffaabb88ec>] ? handle_mm_fault+0xcfc/0x1280
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560257]  [<ffffffffaaa61015>] ? __do_page_fault+0x255/0x4f0
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560258]  [<ffffffffab015f98>] ? page_fault+0x28/0x30
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560259] Mem-Info:
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560263] active_anon:1736991 inactive_anon:217166 isolated_anon:0
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560263]  active_file:27 inactive_file:32 isolated_file:0
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560263]  unevictable:8 dirty:0 writeback:0 unstable:0
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560263]  slab_reclaimable:4382 slab_unreclaimable:9905
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560263]  mapped:1150 shmem:1175 pagetables:21287 bounce:0
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560263]  free:25792 free_pcp:16 free_cma:0
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560265] Node 0 active_anon:6947964kB inactive_anon:868664kB active_file:108kB inactive_file:128kB unevictable:32kB isolated(anon):0kB isolated(file):0kB mapped:4600kB dirty:0kB writeback:0kB shmem:4700kB shmem_thp: 0kB shmem_pmdmapped: 0kB anon_thp: 0kB writeback_tmp:0kB unstable:0kB pages_scanned:21835 all_unreclaimable? yes
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560266] Node 0 DMA free:15900kB min:132kB low:164kB high:196kB active_anon:0kB inactive_anon:0kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:0kB writepending:0kB present:15996kB managed:15900kB mlocked:0kB slab_reclaimable:0kB slab_unreclaimable:0kB kernel_stack:0kB pagetables:0kB bounce:0kB free_pcp:0kB local_pcp:0kB free_cma:0kB
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560269] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 2957 7916 7916 7916
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560272] Node 0 DMA32 free:45028kB min:25192kB low:31488kB high:37784kB active_anon:2559444kB inactive_anon:414108kB active_file:0kB inactive_file:216kB unevictable:0kB writepending:0kB present:3111984kB managed:3046140kB mlocked:0kB slab_reclaimable:184kB slab_unreclaimable:1244kB kernel_stack:528kB pagetables:22764kB bounce:0kB free_pcp:0kB local_pcp:0kB free_cma:0kB
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560275] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 4959 4959 4959
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560277] Node 0 Normal free:42240kB min:42252kB low:52812kB high:63372kB active_anon:4388520kB inactive_anon:454556kB active_file:340kB inactive_file:0kB unevictable:32kB writepending:0kB present:5226492kB managed:5083072kB mlocked:32kB slab_reclaimable:17344kB slab_unreclaimable:38376kB kernel_stack:6624kB pagetables:62384kB bounce:0kB free_pcp:64kB local_pcp:0kB free_cma:0kB
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560280] lowmem_reserve[]: 0 0 0 0 0
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560282] Node 0 DMA: 1*4kB (U) 1*8kB (U) 1*16kB (U) 2*32kB (U) 3*64kB (U) 0*128kB 1*256kB (U) 0*512kB 1*1024kB (U) 1*2048kB (M) 3*4096kB (M) = 15900kB
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560290] Node 0 DMA32: 236*4kB (UME) 201*8kB (UME) 119*16kB (UME) 32*32kB (UME) 110*64kB (UME) 116*128kB (UME) 68*256kB (UME) 1*512kB (E) 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 45288kB
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560297] Node 0 Normal: 1569*4kB (UME) 947*8kB (UME) 525*16kB (UME) 131*32kB (UME) 72*64kB (UME) 47*128kB (UME) 23*256kB (UME) 0*512kB 0*1024kB 0*2048kB 0*4096kB = 42956kB
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560305] Node 0 hugepages_total=0 hugepages_free=0 hugepages_surp=0 hugepages_size=1048576kB
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560306] Node 0 hugepages_total=0 hugepages_free=0 hugepages_surp=0 hugepages_size=2048kB
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560307] 1900 total pagecache pages
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560308] 543 pages in swap cache
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560308] Swap cache stats: add 6842824, delete 6842281, find 607251/836610
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560309] Free swap  = 0kB
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560309] Total swap = 20971516kB
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560310] 2088618 pages RAM
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560310] 0 pages HighMem/MovableOnly
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560310] 52340 pages reserved
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560311] 0 pages hwpoisoned
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560311] [ pid ]   uid  tgid total_vm      rss nr_ptes nr_pmds swapents oom_score_adj name
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560315] [  254]     0   254    11555      342      24       3      116             0 systemd-journal
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560316] [  287]     0   287    11586       13      24       3      294         -1000 systemd-udevd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560318] [  469]     0   469     3331       40      12       3      187             0 mount.ntfs
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560319] [  499]   100   499    32336       16      34       3      118             0 systemd-timesyn
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560321] [  518]     0   518    70894       30      44       3      179             0 accounts-daemon
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560322] [  519]   105   519    46437        0      26       3       85             0 rtkit-daemon
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560323] [  520]   107   520    11491      241      27       3      111          -900 dbus-daemon
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560325] [  527]     0   527    62529       51      29       3      189             0 rsyslogd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560326] [  528]     0   528    24577      154      51       3      522             0 cupsd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560327] [  530]     0   530     7417       26      20       3       45             0 cron
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560329] [  537]   113   537    11785       40      27       3       75             0 avahi-daemon
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560330] [  544]   113   544    11754        0      26       3       88             0 avahi-daemon
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560332] [  545]     0   545   120333       60      90       4      706             0 NetworkManager
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560333] [  546]     0   546    87214        0      73       3      452             0 ModemManager
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560334] [  547]     0   547     8952       29      23       3       62             0 irqbalance
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560335] [  548]     0   548    13391       42      30       3     1886             0 systemd-logind
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560337] [  553]     0   553    64617       22      61       4      282             0 cups-browsed
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560338] [  554]     0   554    72580      110      45       4      740             0 polkitd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560339] [  607]     0   607     3634        0      11       3       40             0 agetty
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560341] [  612]     0   612    72492       89      45       3      135             0 lightdm
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560342] [  621]     0   621   115368     3955     172       4    10509             0 Xorg
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560343] [  629]     0   629    17486        0      38       4      194         -1000 sshd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560345] [  689]   111   689    16278       41      37       3      259             0 systemd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560346] [  690]   111   690    21765        0      42       3      482             0 (sd-pam)
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560347] [  701]   111   701    11276        1      27       3      115             0 dbus-daemon
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560349] [  705]   111   705    55057       40      43       3      152             0 at-spi2-registr
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560350] [  709]   111   709    71050        1      38       3      195             0 gvfsd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560351] [  721]     0   721     5119        1      17       3      261             0 dhclient
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560352] [  799]     0   799    60870        0      57       3      216             0 lightdm
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560354] [  804]  1000   804    16304       57      36       3      252             0 systemd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560355] [  805]  1000   805    21765        0      42       3      482             0 (sd-pam)
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560356] [  811]  1000   811    53244       51      37       4      192             0 gnome-keyring-d
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560357] [  813]  1000   813   100763      307      95       3      888             0 x-session-manag
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560359] [  821]  1000   821    11942      689      28       3       79             0 dbus-daemon
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560360] [  842]  1000   842     2771       10       8       3       73             0 ssh-agent
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560361] [  843]  1000   843    87191        0      38       4      221             0 at-spi-bus-laun
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560362] [  848]  1000   848    11310       67      27       3       99             0 dbus-daemon
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560364] [  850]  1000   850    55055       84      42       3      117             0 at-spi2-registr
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560365] [  855]  1000   855    46909        1      27       3      225             0 dconf-service
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560366] [  864]  1000   864  7501335  1891569   13923      33  5141580             0 mate-settings-d
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560368] [  868]  1000   868   110370     1004     115       4     1008             0 marco
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560369] [  872]  1000   872   215155     5127     173       3    13460             0 mate-panel
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560370] [  873]  1000   873    71080        0      41       4      261             0 gvfsd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560372] [  883]  1000   883   240526     1388     165       4     5437             0 caja
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560373] [  887]  1000   887   136432      731     118       4     1130             0 wnck-applet
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560374] [  890]  1000   890   223895        1     122       4      824             0 pulseaudio
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560376] [  891]  1000   891   226075      292      75       4      290             0 gvfs-udisks2-vo
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560377] [  892]  1000   892   140160      233     124       3     1603             0 nm-applet
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560378] [  893]  1000   893   125175      333     113       3      842             0 mate-power-mana
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560379] [  896]  1000   896   121842     3271     112       3      548             0 mate-screensave
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560381] [  897]     0   897    94139      234      48       3      445             0 udisksd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560382] [  915]  1000   915   174630      237     136       4     1129             0 mate-volume-con
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560383] [  918]  1000   918   116569      327     114       3     1351             0 polkit-mate-aut
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560384] [  946]     0   946    77612       94      46       4      245             0 upowerd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560386] [  952]  1000   952    67915        0      36       3      216             0 gvfs-mtp-volume
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560387] [  960]  1000   960    70403        0      38       3      248             0 gvfs-gphoto2-vo
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560388] [  973]  1000   973    90108        0      42       4      317             0 gvfsd-trash
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560389] [  974]  1000   974    67345        0      33       3      161             0 gvfs-goa-volume
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560390] [  988]  1000   988    92512        1      46       3      250             0 gvfs-afc-volume
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560392] [ 1003]  1000  1003   187169      918     148       4     2258             0 clock-applet
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560393] [ 1006]  1000  1006   115153      460     114       3      872             0 notification-ar
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560394] [ 1087]  1000  1087    48388        0      31       3      152             0 gvfsd-metadata
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560396] [10605]   118 10605    92976       28     119       3      934             0 minidlnad
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560397] [11535]     0 11535     9043        0      23       3      105             0 bluetoothd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560398] [11602]     0 11602    79220        7      58       4      412             0 packagekitd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560400] [11803]     0 11803    79580       45     154       3      613             0 smbd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560401] [11804]     0 11804    77505       10     145       3      600             0 smbd-notifyd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560402] [11805]     0 11805    77503       10     143       3      600             0 cleanupd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560403] [11807]     0 11807    79582      130     154       3      532             0 lpqd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560404] [11841]     0 11841    56552       56     108       3      395             0 nmbd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560406] [15176]  1000 15176    38428       59      62       3      407             0 kdeinit5
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560407] [15177]  1000 15177   122075      177     156       3      754             0 klauncher
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560408] [15563]  1000 15563   106124      116     103       3      980             0 mate-user-share
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560409] [15623]  1000 15623   198566      230     237       4     6607             0 hp-systray
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560411] [15624]  1000 15624    64821      269      91       3     3663             0 hp-systray
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560412] [15625]  1000 15625    38016       52      73       3     3304             0 hp-systray
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560413] [16086]  1000 16086   109077        0      46       3      275             0 gvfsd-network
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560414] [16094]  1000 16094   179884        0     143       3      695             0 gvfsd-smb-brows
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560416] [16101]     0 16101    81149       70     158       4      595             0 smbd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560417] [16104]  1000 16104    92897       22      47       3      214             0 gvfsd-dnssd
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560418] [16194]   114 16194    78609        1      56       3     1462             0 colord
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560419] [16203]     7 16203    20991        0      45       3      207             0 dbus
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560421] [17031]  1000 17031   251123      174     175       4     1467             0 kactivitymanage
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560422] [17631]  1000 17631    17748       28      38       4      112             0 gconfd-2
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560424] [19823]  1000 19823   185016     1382     145       4     1981             0 mateweather-app
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560425] [19896]  1000 19896    88584      162     153       4     1153             0 kuiserver
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560427] [20961]     0 20961    12032        0      27       3      133             0 dbus-launch
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560428] [20962]     0 20962    11248        0      25       3      105             0 dbus-daemon
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560429] [20968]     0 20968    46830        1      29       3      136             0 dconf-service
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560431] [30688]  1000 30688   270831     1187     271       4     3828             0 dolphin
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560432] [30696]  1000 30696    49657       73      81       3      489             0 file.so
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560433] [31305]  1000 31305  1049866    33547     372       7     7797             0 dropbox
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560435] [31361]  1000 31361    88612        0      59       5      360             0 gvfsd-http
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560436] [31408]  1000 31408   232936     2334     269       3     3529             0 dolphin
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560437] Out of memory: Kill process 864 (mate-settings-d) score 968 or sacrifice child
Jul 15 21:36:55 BOSSDESK kernel: [28145.560449] Killed process 864 (mate-settings-d) total-vm:30005340kB, anon-rss:7566276kB, file-rss:0kB, shmem-rss:0kB

Seems a bit amusing that it carried on getting the weather updates but then later in that log I see memory problems. Kinda like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.  lol Not only that but their call of -5C was a bit off the -7C that we hit at 6:30 this morning.  :roll:

More seriously, I'm hoping that the brains trust here may see something that I haven't or give me a hand to track this problem down.

NFT5 wrote:

Well it seems I may be making more progress with this than anyone else.

I have at least been able to create, at will, the symptom of panel icons re-ordering and displaying on the left end of the panel. Just add a new icon/launcher and restart the machine. New icon, previously positioned at the far right now appears at the far left.

The good thing is that there seems to be a solution for this. Open Mate-Tweak and click on "Save Panel Layout". Restart and icons are where they should be.

However, there is some weirdness with this. When saving the panel layout I get a notification that my settings have been saved in /usr/share/mate-panel/layouts/{username}-tweak.layout. However, the file is not there. Looking elsewhere, on the basis that the settings must have been saved somewhere, I eventually found the file in /tmp, along with another file named {username}-tweak.panel.

The problem now is that /tmp files are not permanent so my settings may be lost.

I've never experienced this problem in Jessie or Wheezy, but, of course, they were running earlier versions of MATE and I suspect that MATE may be the culprit here. So, it seems that MATE is not saving panel changes for placement and ordering automatically/immediately although it is saving the icons/launchers. I still suspect Debian may also be complicit here, given that I've had no problem with MATE 1.16 running in Jessie.

I can't understand why the problem seems to be relatively rare - surely something like this would be rife in Mint and Ubuntu, yet there are only a few mentions....and no real solutions........yet.

Continuing to work on it.

I understand that the above relates to Debian but I have the identical problem with Ascii and I suspect that they are sufficiently alike that a solution for one may work with the other.

Subsequent to the above my research has led me to thinking that the issues are GTK2/3 related. I have been able to stop recurrence of the panel crashes by selecting either of the Traditional themes and keeping customisation to an absolute minimum. Most other themes inevitably lead to the panel crashes. Selection of a stable theme seems to have to be made on a clean installation - once an installation has suffered a panel crash changing the theme doesn't work to stabilise it.

I've tried MATE 16, 18 and 20. Both 16 and 18 suffer from the problem while, so far at least, 20 seems stable.

What I haven't been able to do is find the actual cause and a proper fix, however the above is a partial workaround.

#4 Re: Forum Feedback » Enough is enough (and then the other hand claps) » 2018-05-15 22:15:14

NFT5

There's one in every circus.  roll

Thanks golinux, you and the rest of the team are doing a pretty good job both running this forum and pushing out a solid product. There's nothing wrong with occasionally marking the boundaries - just so people know that they are there.

#5 Re: Devuan » contrib and non-free repositories should be disabled by default » 2018-04-09 10:28:47

NFT5
Fernando Negro wrote:

Yes. And, I would get error messages at boot - again, related to my graphics card. Devuan 2 (beta) is not yet as functional as Debian 9 proper.

So what did you expect? A fully functional and stable Operating System? Ascii is in beta - that means not finished and it will come with various bugs and issues that the team will sort out before final release. If you want stable and sorted then use Jessie. If your hardware is not supported then consider alternatives. Can you compile, or has someone else already compiled, the driver you need? Should you be using that hardware if the manufacturer doesn't support your required degree of compliance with free software?

Also, Devuan 2 came also with other repositories than "main" activated. And, (for reason no. 1 that I stated on my first post) I don't want to have such an OS installed on my computer.

Debian, by default, has these repositories "disabled" (actually, it's not even possible to access them, unless you create entries for them yourself).

I really don't get this. Over the years I've done more Debian installations than I can count. Not in a single one, that I can remember, have I had to add contrib and non-free. They're there by default. Yesterday I installed Devuan (Jessie) to be my primary operating system on my desktop at home after some months testing. It installed exactly as expected, with contrib and non-free in the sources list. It's up to you whether to install from these sections or, if you like, remove them from your sources list. I try to support the whole 'free' software concept too, but occasionally one must resort to using other sources. As long as you source software from repos like those of Debian or Devuan you will be pretty safe. On this system I only have the mscorefonts installer (needed for compatibility with documents shared with Windows users) and some Realtek firmware (required by my hardware). Even Debian provides a degree of support for the use of non-free software.

a) a more ignorant user might install proprietary software without being aware of such

I'd suggest that the user you're talking about is probably not ignorant at all, rather he simply doesn't care. His computer is a tool and he'll do what he has to to be able to use his machine in the way that he sees fit.

b) even someone who knows what these repositories are, might inadvertently install such proprietary software, either directly or indirectly because of dependencies.

In everyday use this situation is most unlikely. However Stallman does recognise that it occasionally happens in this link. As he says, all you have to do is be aware and avoid it. The risks are the same in both Debian, Devuan and many other distributions.

Since that, Devuan distinguishes itself from other GNU/Linux distributions for wanting to be more faithful to the principles upon which GNU/Linux itself was created.

I think you'll find that Devuan, and the people behind it are no less committed to those principles and that they demonstrated this by forking Debian. That doesn't make them more committed other than that they disagreed with systemd and moved to create an alternative. This one thing distinguishes Devuan, not their degree of commitment to the whole free software concept which is shared by many others who may just happen to support systemd. Of course, their enthusiasm to develop and grow their product does distinguish them from Debian.....and that's one of the reasons I'm here.

Far too many words for something that could have simply been solved in Nano or Synaptic with a few presses of the Backspace or Delete keys.

#6 Re: Off-topic » A Week of my life... » 2017-10-23 07:03:46

NFT5

There is no shame in admitting installation of Ubuntu for some users.

As with OP my wife also has very simple needs - email via web, a simple update mechanism, a couple of simple applications and, all importantly, Flash, so she can watch streamed TV. Ubuntu MATE filled the need perfectly until a few months ago when Mozilla managed to catch out almost everyone. At the time MX-16 offered the only viable alternative and I installed that. Ubuntu have now fixed the Flash issue and it is back in contention, should MX drop the ball on Flash support.

Neither Debian nor Devuan offer these features which are essential for users who can't/won't/don't want to update manually or have to unpack and copy files to make things work or for whom the CLI represents terra horribilus. Fortunately Linux is a world of alternatives.

For myself, this week I fixed Flash in both Debian and Devuan, although with different levels of success. A little more work required, maybe.

#7 Re: Forum Feedback » Registration questions are questionable. » 2017-10-01 18:38:44

NFT5

Some good comments and ideas there.

Let me add a few complications....

"What's the truckers channel?" In Australia there is no such thing as a 'trucker', they're 'truckies', as are 'bikers', 'bikies', and the radio channel used is 40. Even those of us who use UHF radio probably wouldn't have the faintest clue what channel is used in North America, which, I think, is still 27MHz anyway.

Questions on pronunciation can be equally as difficult. For the word 'defeat' we say diff-eet with accent on the second syllable, as opposed to dee-feet with accent on the first. Asked to type how I'd pronounce 'Devuan' I'd likely put 'dev-wahn'. Pronouncekiwi has some interesting variations.

So even for English speakers this can be hard, harder still for those even from Latin based languages and nigh on impossible for those who come from an East Asian background. Anyone tried to decipher pronunciation in Pinyin?

Colours. My business revolves around colours and not in a pink fit would I describe the Devuan scheme as 'purple'. Violet grey, perhaps.

Staying a step ahead of the bots is one thing but keeping the questions answerable is another. Good luck.

#8 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can't identify Linux distribution **SOLVED** » 2017-09-29 23:33:07

NFT5

Awesome! Thanks, works perfectly.

Better safe than sorry on the Control Centre apps issue. I've borked enough installations that I didn't feel like re-installing this one.

Noted "SOLVED".

#9 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can't identify Linux distribution **SOLVED** » 2017-09-29 10:37:00

NFT5

Thanks darry1966 and FOSSuser. 

chris@BOSSDESK:~$ uname -a
Linux BOSSDESK 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.43-2+deb8u5 (2017-09-19) x86_64 GNU/Linux

Both sysinfo and hardinfo recognise the kernel, but not Devuan as the distribution. At first I thought it was a MATE related thing, but now I don't think so.

#10 Desktop and Multimedia » Can't identify Linux distribution **SOLVED** » 2017-09-29 08:03:11

NFT5
Replies: 6

I'm not really intentionally making a habit of popping up in Linux forums but here I am. Debian user since the end of XP and it has served me, and the 15 machines that I admin, well. But, for myself, I wanted more, or better, or something, so have done a clean Devuan install with MATE desktop.

No problems with the installation, except that I wasn't asked if I wanted to install GRUB and it took a little work to get that back in Debian's control, at least for the time being. Fixed the IO page fault issue and installed the usual software that I run. Nothing extraordinary here except for Virtualbox that I like to keep up to date, the Flash plug-in and Grub Customizer that I sourced from MX16. Other software is just some basic utilities, the rest of the MATE package that wasn't installed, Thunderbird, Dropbox and the like. MX16 repos are disabled in my sources.list.

First hint of a problem was GRUB not finding Devuan and then finding it as an "unknown" Linux. Running update-grub a couple of times seemed to fix that. Then Vbox chucked a wobbly which was easily enough fixed by installing kernel headers. Odd, I don't recall having to do that before.

Then I started Control Centre and a number of the apps refuse to start, citing "The platform you are running is not supported by this tool". The popup box advising of the error does offer to modify itself if I choose one of a list of distributions. A little judicious Google-foo finds only one slightly related mention and a comment that most of the distros that I'm offered to choose from are well outdated. I'd agree with that. Further encouragement not to proceed without a little research comes in the rather dire warning that making the wrong choice might "damage the system configuration or downright cripple your computer".

It would seem that there should be some file with identification information in it, but I really don't know where to look. A search here uncovered something which may be vaguely related, but appears not to have been resolved.

chris@BOSSDESK:~$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID:	Devuan
Description:	Devuan GNU/Linux 1.0 (jessie)
Release:	1.0
Codename:	jessie
chris@BOSSDESK:~$

Apps in Control Centre that are afflicted include, but may not be limited to:

  • Time and Date
    Users and Groups
    Services
    Network

Suggestions?

#11 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » flash player plugin not run in Devuan » 2017-09-28 18:27:01

NFT5

Another way is to grab the adobe-flashplugin package from MX16 (for Jessie, of course). And, if that package could be added to the Devuan repo......

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