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#1 Re: Documentation » How to: Devuan 5 Daedalus an pipewire » 2025-04-09 15:45:37
The past few days I have been experimenting inside my Daedalus LXQt VM trying to wrap my head around how DEs and WMs work these days and what role xdg plays there. (Yes I am an ole pure startx+WM and ALSA guy as well.) Unfortunately my health situation mostly prevents me from being able to focus on such tasks. Nonetheless I came to the conclusion it would be a good idea for Devuan to implement a user service manager kind of thingy to have a solution for the systemd user services.
I have tried out the suggestions in this thread on how to start pipewire on a system with a DM starting a DE. And I really like the shed/c scripts by EDX-0. AFAICS they are a good starting point. Maybe EDX-0 wants to start a thread about the shed development on this forum (or is there one already?). EDX-0 should start the thread so they have control of the first post to keep it up to date with new information.
And I think shed should be talked about in a separate thread than the pipewire one here.
I'll post my solution as step-by-step instructions on how to get PW running on LXQt (as a representative for DEs) and fluxbox (for WMs) later.
#2 Re: Documentation » How to: Devuan 5 Daedalus an pipewire » 2025-04-05 18:01:21
FWIW, I am with Steve. Of course Debian as well as Devuan are distros. Versatile ones compared to others but still distros. Plus, Steve pinned down the issues with Devuan in general and regarding to PW pretty well. He was the only one here the past few days providing solid background information on the situation at hand. And the possible options he listed on how Devuan might proceed here and related issues seem very well considered to me! RESPECT!
What kind of bothers me is, this thread – which resides under "How to:" – has a lot of unhelpful, unnecessary comments. I came here to learn about PW – How-to PW my LXQt environment – and not to read about what non PW users think about PW. Such comments make reading and comprehending a tedious task. Sharing one's opinion is fine but please, not inside "How-to"!
#3 Re: Documentation » How to: Devuan 5 Daedalus an pipewire » 2025-04-05 05:44:16
Sorry for triggering you there. I didn't meant PW is the hell but the situation we have now.
#4 Re: Documentation » How to: Devuan 5 Daedalus an pipewire » 2025-04-05 03:17:47
Thank you steve_v for bringing light to the whole situation and my totally wrong assumptions. I had no idea this would be such a rabbit hole when I started looking into PW yesterday.
It was not the first time that users on IRC asked and talked about PW. So I thought I'll try it for myself and maybe then be able to share my experience on the wiki. Now I realize, once again, I went way over my head. Funny how all this automagic userfriendlyness created just another hell.
#5 Re: Documentation » How to: Devuan 5 Daedalus an pipewire » 2025-04-04 13:50:27
As steve_v already mentioned, no.
If Devuan is going to transition to pipewire following upstream Debian, we're going to need a better answer than "user finds random script / autostart / .xinitrc hints on the 'net" for starting and stopping its services.
IMO some kind of process supervisor (be it part of an init system or standalone) is the only realistic (and reliable) option, and I already mentioned one possibility. Another might be adapting supervise-daemon or runits runsvdir, or running dinit in a user-session context.
The pipewire package ships with a .service file for systemd[1]. And if PW is meant as replacement for pulseaudio it should be a systemwide daemon as well.
I have searched how other distros deal with that but so far I've only found a set of scripts for MX-Linux[2][3]. But AFAICS they try to cover both usecases (systemd OR sysvinit) which seems overkill for Devuan. I never had to create an init-script, is it really that complicated?
[1] https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/am … e/filelist
[2] https://github.com/MX-Linux/pipewire-setup-mx
[3] https://github.com/MX-Linux/pipewire-se … e/main/bin
#6 Re: Documentation » How to: Devuan 5 Daedalus an pipewire » 2025-04-04 10:53:36
Is there a reason why no one so far has a solution for a sysvinit script? Have there been attempts? And if so, what were the pitfalls?
#7 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] wine32 in Devuan 1.0 Jessie 64 bit ? » 2017-10-06 08:14:10
Ok, on second glance, there's something odd about that error. Could you run it again but with aptitude instead of apt-get? It usually returns more useful messages.
Is it officialy recommended and safe to use debian version of wine ?
Nothing is safe. From what officials do you need approval?
Let's put it this way: depends on what you want to run. Some old software runs fine with the ancient wine version provided by Jessie. Most modern ones just won't. And, if you show up at winehq asking for help, the first advice you'll get is to update to latest version.
Which GPU and driver do you use and how did you install the driver?
#8 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] wine32 in Devuan 1.0 Jessie 64 bit ? » 2017-10-05 16:17:14
You probably have to enable multiarch: https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/HOWTO#Usage
The wine packages shipped with Jessie are ancient, though. Preferably use the ones provided by the wine project:
https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian
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