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#1 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Xfce 4.12 broken with Xorg Zaphod heads mode » 2018-02-20 16:52:49

I can confirm that the DISPLAY variables are set the same on the ASCII installation as on Jessie.

#2 Desktop and Multimedia » Xfce 4.12 broken with Xorg Zaphod heads mode » 2018-02-20 14:28:18

Nate
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I posted the following to the mailing list:

In my testing, I am finding that Xfce 4.12 no longer appears capable of working nicely with my Xorg Zaphod heads mode setup.  I do have the separate screens and desktops and panels for each, but when I launch an Xfce Terminal on Screen 1, it is opened on Screen 0.  Some apps launched on Screen 1 do display on Screen 1, but it just seems to depend on the app.  It's likely that I don't know (or forgot) all of the mechanisms involved with apps displaying on a given screen/desktop.

I've been using the Zaphod heads mode for a number of years with two monitors and two independent desktops (one for each with four workspaces on each desktop).  This is a workflow that is essential for the way I use this desktop computer.  I recall this has worked without issue since at least Debian 6 series through Devuan Jessie.

Does anyone have any ideas before I move this upstream?

And received the following reply from Florian Zieboll:

I've no idea about any Zaphod other than B., but the display is usually set by the $DISPLAY variable, (e.g. DISPLAY=:0.0). With an X11 xinerama setup (one desktop over two displays), the alternative would most likely be ":0.1".


And I posted this in the Xfce user forum:

I've been testing the forthcoming Devuan 2.0 (ASCII) which features Xfce 4.12.  For years I have been using dual port graphics cards and dual monitor with Xorg configured for Zaphod.  Xfce up through 4.10 has worked very well in this configuration with two independent desktops with four works spaces each, dare I say rock solid.  With 4.12, I'm finding this is no longer the case.  For instance, on 4.12 when I try to open Xfce Terminal on Screen1, it opens on Screen0.  Various other apps (beyond those for Xfce) may do the same or open on Screen1 which is where I would like them to be.
Devuan ASCII has X.Org X Server 1.19.2 installed.  I am currently running Devuan Jessie which has X.Org X Server 1.16.4 and Xfce 4.10 and, as I stated earlier, has been flawless.

So far no replies from this forum.

On Jessie with Xfce 4.10 on Screen0 I get:

$ echo $DISPLAY
:0.0

and on Screen1:

$ echo $DISPLAY
:0.1

I will need to reboot and double check the values on ASCII/Xfce 4.12.

#3 Re: Off-topic » When you can't tell the difference between Windows and systemd » 2017-07-09 17:15:59

greenjeans wrote:

They despise people having any choices, want to further close the source and commercialize linux and give it unremoveable "branding", these people are the very antithesis of everything open-source stands for, and a clear and present danger to free software going forward.

Their fascination with all things from that west coast forbidden fruit company is a dead giveaway.  When they show up at a Linux/Open Source conference with their Macbook and then proceed to show Linux running in a VM to show $COOL_FEATURE, it's another dead giveaway that they're not of, by, or for the community.  Or, more worrying, they respond to a bug report with, "What's an Xfce?"

They are paid hacks, doing what they're paid to do and trying to pass themselves off as members of the community.  There is now a line that must be drawn between the community as we've known it and those who are something else (I'm not sure what to call them).  To be sure, I have no problem with being paid to develop Free Software, so long as such software fits the philosophy and spirit of The Unix Way.  When it follows some other way, especially in the base system, a user desktop app not so much, then it's time to call its usefulness into question.

#4 Re: Off-topic » Is Blackbox still today a recommended or outdated WM ? » 2017-06-04 16:11:22

So you like Blackbox and, as pointed out above, patches are available to enable building on the current stable version.  Pick up the maintenance!  It's not hard.  It's nice if you contact the previous maintainer/developer and request permission to do so, but it is by no means necessary under the terms of GPL, etc.  Get it to build and then host your branch/fork/whatever on GitHub or some other site and just keep up with the changes as they come along.

By doing so you'll learn to get the most out of your Linux box and help the community.

#5 Re: Off-topic » When Wayland will fully replace the old X11? » 2017-06-01 03:02:14

spartrekus wrote:

We are maybe too old for Linux. Linux is getting heavy, bloated, ... and it is ready for cool kids. Don't you think that we shall consider using BSD rather than Linux?

I agree with GoLinux as I'm not ready to give Linux up for a long while yet.  I've installed FreeBSD a few times in a VM and was always put off by the way the screen fonts and such seemed to never work with Midnight Commander and such.  I didn't ever spend enough time with it to work out those issues.  I even tried Debian kFreeBSD once as well.  This was back when the SCO lawsuit was raging in full fury, so quite some time ago.

For those that find *BSD useful, more power to you.  I'm not going to argue.  I've also jumped back into Slackware for some tasks.  I think a person should use two or three (or more) distributions regularly.  I've often learned things on one that can be generally applicable to another.  Plus, a broader base of knowledge is helpful when failures happen.

#6 Re: Devuan » Devuan on Distrowatch » 2017-06-01 02:47:25

Congratulations to everyone whose hard work is now paying off.

I wonder what ubercoder thinks of all this?  big_smile

#7 Re: Off-topic » When Wayland will fully replace the old X11? » 2017-05-30 23:45:50

I have adopted a workflow on this desktop that requires the support of Zaphodheads of X11.  Will Wayland have any such support?  It seems the cool kids want to have some massive desktop extended across several monitors.  That is of little interest to me as I make use of the workspaces in Xfce.  With two desktops through Zaphodheads I have a total of eight workspaces on two independent desktops.  The best part is that when I switch a workspace on Screen0, the workspace on Screen1 doesn't change.  This allows me to have an editor open on Screen1 Workspace 4 while I use Firefox on Screen0 and Workspace 2 or read mail on Screen0 Workspace 3.  With an extended desktops all monitors are on the current workspace, which just doesn't fit what I want to do.

Support for odd cases like this is what makes X11 so powerful.  I'm not sure the present developers even understand this.

#8 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan Jessie 1.0.0 Stable LTS is here!!! » 2017-05-29 02:16:53

Congrats to the entire team!

I just did a net install of 1.0 Stable amd64 today on my brother's computer replacing Xubuntu 12.04 (wow!) i386.  Install was,as expected, smooth as silk (I've done plenty of Debian installations over the years).  Perhaps for ASCII the installer can sport the purpy theme.  wink

Good work all around.

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