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If your Hyperbola uses udev then it should work the same.
And by the way, the group doesn't have to be "plugdev"; that's just a (has been) convention. The key point is that due to that udev rule, the device node at /dev/bus/usb/xxx/yyy gets set up so that any user in that group have read-write access to it.
So I could put group wheel there as well or something else entirely huh. Sounds good. I would probably try kvm then.
One line of code caused all that?
I thought the web was built more like debian, not archlinux LOL.
I once made one tiny mistake in mkinitcpio.conf in Hyperbola and it wouldn't boot it dropped me to a shell.
The issue?
I didn't remove the parentheses from the i915 line
And therefore, I kept getting it borked every time I tried. lol.
This feels like that kind of situation.
@ralph.ronnquist I wonder... if this would work in non-debian distros like Hyperbola as well.
Currently, I see no plugdev group in Hyperbola until I made one.
This is why I kind of wanted to get this working. ![]()
To that end you might for example add GROUP="plugdev" appropriately in /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules, and make the user member of the plugdev group, and then the user gains access right whenever the device is blugged in.
It's also possible to refer to the device using the bus and device id.
How can I pass the whole GROUP="plugdev"
to /lib/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules
Where in that rule file would I put it and what do I put before it?
I see stuff like SUBSYSTEM ACTION KERNEL AND LABEL
But I don't know where I would put it.
Also, you are speaking of putting this into the host OS right?
Let me know ralph, as I have tried this but it isn't showing up in my vm.
Its peculiar.
EDIT: Btw, when I boot up my image, all I see is this all I see is two lsusb mentions. and neither are my usb adapter that I am using.
via lsusb in my terminal that is
@spliskin
Makes sense
You know a situation is stupid when marketing is the only reason something prevails over something else.
like rust vs fil-C
or systemd, or pulseaudio, pipewire, avahi, dbus, networkmanager and their libraries forced down people's throats.
But hey, that seems to be the norm. I don't get why... but it is the reality.
from what I have heard, they tried to recreate their code in rust and that led to the problems.
Further proof that rust isn't a silver bullet and that its overly hyped
I have an AMD cpu, there are loads of AMD cpus without IGP, both current and older generations, recent Intel cpus without IGP are far less common but they do exist too.
Didn't know that there were amd or intel cpus that had no integrated graphics cards in them.
@steve_v Current GPU is using less than 5w, while writing this and doing general desktop stuff. When I want performance... You get what you pay for (in watts).
I don't understand obsessing over idle power consumption, particularly when it's on-par with a network card or additional SSD.
Fair enough, I didn't realize that the power usage was thatt low. I wonder how much it uses when nvidia is the graphics card being used though.
@tux_99 what kind of cpu do you have? I thought intel and amd both had their own individual graphics card functionality built in.
@stultumanto No idea why, but that was easier to do in doas for me.
I think the syntax was just trickier for me is all. doas syntax is much simpler is all.
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@stargate try looking at this, it beats the troll you shared and then some:
https://github.com/google/recaptcha/issues/519
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Those of us who have been using Linux for decades have done our part. Now, it's up to the younger generation to acquire that knowledge or it will just be a footnote in history . . . or not even that. So saddle up if you want to save apt or any of the other code that is being hijacked to turn Linux into windows.
An open source windows? Isn't that what reactos is for?
...
But yeah, we don't need linux to become like windows.
@steve_v I don't use nvidia either... I tend to think, myself, why bother having an additional graphics card. They waste electricity even if you aren't using them and a lot more if you are.
@steve_v That is interesting... good to know.
@steve @OP I have no idea, I hate trackpads with a passion. Best try it and find out, push-comes-to-shove just use touchegg or similar (which I expect you will need to build yourself) to convert hand-waving into proper keybinds. That should work with any DE or WM, and any action you can bind keys to (provided libinput supports multi-touch for your hardware to begin with).
Well theres one thing we have in common I guess, I prefer trackpoint over touchpad as well... I also detest the touchpad as well.
So much easier to write stuff down in a word document or similar with the trackpoint. Otherwise, as one like yourself would guess, you can easily lose sight of where your pointer is on your screen because you accidentally touch the pad and it goes off doing something highly annoying.
So yes, I agree there.
Should I migrate to XFCE or Cinammon? Is anyone using X11 on laptops and can share their advice?
I am using X11 myself also but I don't typically use desktop environments, so I am not sure if what I will say will help,
But MATE, LXDE, XFCE4, Lumina Desktop are all ones you could look at.
I don't know how they will work, but worth a try.
That must mean one of them is more stable then the other if I had to guess.
Although maybe someone more knowledgeable can tell you.
@steve_v feel free to jump in if you know something.
Choice of init/rc makes very little difference to shutdown/reboot invocation, and none at all to suspend (unless you have some init scripts wired up to suspend/resume hooks ofc).
I was speaking in general probably. I don't know how to do any services with regular sysvinit. So there's that
Unless of course you're going for knee-jerk "but it comes from systemd, no way" idological nonsense or hair-shirt level "minimalisim", in which case figuring out how you want to do seat management and permissions is up to you.
Does this work without root permissions? Also I wonder to myself if elogind has root permissions built in. Not saying one way or the other though. Because I have no clue.
If so, curious.. But doas is still easier than sudo in my experience. Can't say anything about elogind tho
the doas method isn't hard though and is easier than the sudo one if anyone hasn't used sudo's method which I never have due to there being so much clutter in it.
I couldn't figure out how to do stuff the way doas does in sudo
But yeah, etlogind probably is easier, although I have never used that method.
@fredbird67 First off, I recommend you use openrc + sysvinit rather than just pure sysvinit.
This will be much easier to handle. I have experience with this.
reboot and shutdown however are fairly easy for me.
if you know how to set up doas, you can shutdown by using:
doas poweroff
doas reboot
as for suspend, I am not sure how you would do that in devuan, without hardware keys. So... yeah lol, I draw a blank there.
If you set up doas properly though, you can just type those two commands in and it goes off immediately without requiring a password.
EDIT: If you want an easier way to shutdown though, qshutdown also works flawlessly.by hitting now on the menu and you will powerdown.
@golinux I thought you knew... but I guess you learn something every day eh?
@steve_v yes Linus Torvaldo is of course correct. Which is why I sometimes feel the need to diss you as well.
No worries, I expect you to be a flamer troll. It would be wise for you to ease up or you'll have a heart attack
@exponentialmatrix
Not from what Hyperbola devs have told me.
Although if this is true, they are dragging their feet on it for whatever reason.
I tend to think given their stance of perfectionism, they probably think people who need rust need training wheels type mentality. I could be wrong, but that's my understanding of what I would think they would say.
I have observed their anger before and heard about their toxicity towards people who fall out of their vision of what they want.
So... yeah.
They really focus on code correctness and yet they use C for much of it anyways and what I said before.
Btw, I do agree with you on the part you said above about there is always a cost and that battle tested code being switched to another language doesn't solve everything.
Probably would make a bigger mess.
And yeah its arrogance to at least 10 out of 10 with 10 being the most
@alphalpha probably a bad idea. But if you make a disk clone copy first and put it on another drive, at least you won't have a huge headache.
@yemuyin Makes me think of Hinata from Naruto Shippuden to be honest after the war. ![]()
@steve_v don't worry, I forgive you for being hardheaded. I know someone just like you, he always thinks he is right and has to chew me out for everything I do wrong.
So I am used to this shtick.