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#1 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-11-19 21:34:50

This may not be a safety topic for us, but someone else may see that differently:

FORTUNE
Elon Musk’s AI turns on him, labels him ‘one of the most significant spreaders of misinformation on X’
https://fortune.com/2024/11/14/grok-mus … -spreader/https://fortune.com/2024/11/14/grok-mus … -spreader/

;-D

#2 Re: Off-topic » Several Russian Linux Kernel Maintainers Removed » 2024-11-04 19:24:48

Devarch wrote:

BSD could be the final resting place

Only one of them if you want to keep your 32bitters running.

#3 Re: Off-topic » Thank you Devuan » 2024-10-08 19:29:37

quickfur wrote:

We will fork the Linux ecosystem and leave the unified world behind.

Linux (the kernel) will adapt increasingly to systemd's existence and forking that monster that soon won't work without systemd at all just would be the next manpower problem and a continuous fight against growing windmills.  I only see a future for Linux in the dimension with locked-in users.  $THEY won.  Linux now is the new Windows, just get used to that.

*RIBBIT!*

#4 Re: Off-topic » Thank you Devuan » 2024-10-08 11:01:56

There is no solution with Linux.  We need to get used to this thought.

#5 Re: Off-topic » Thank you Devuan » 2024-10-07 06:56:06

golinux wrote:

WOW! You are quite an archeologist, nixer!!  So openly brazen!! How was this post not found nearly 15 years ago?

Did we need to find that to smell these motives?
Big-$$$ wants the single flavour steamlined Linux base to make their lives easier.
But sure it is nice to being able to point to it as evidence.

Linux turns into what it aimed to be an alternative to, and we are like the slowly boiled frogs in that game.  Devuan buys us some time, but we will lose unless we find other kernels.  Some projects with Linux compatible kernels are already there, but they need more time.

And there are the BSDs.  You remember the pages of debian.org mentioning Debian ports to the 3 major BSD kernels?  That silently died for 2½ of them.  Only Debian/kFreebsd kind of still exists.

golinux wrote:

It is a good time to be old . . . very old . . .

Only already mad souls dream of immortality in the world we now face.

#6 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-10-02 19:33:12

A bit AI related:

Sabine Hossenfelder
New Theory of Consciousness Explains Why Zombies Don’t Exist
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kolJoTf-Ew

#7 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-09-19 13:08:03

JWM-Kit wrote:

My point is not that the danger doesn't exist. We can't stop it, but ensuring that the technology is free and open to everyone will level the playing field.

Levelled?
Like "only a good one with an AI can stop a bad one abusing AI"?
I do not buy that!

#8 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-09-19 12:31:25

JWM-Kit wrote:

It's a race, but the more that it is developed in the open with an FOSS license the better.

Then being shot by a 3D-printed gun from free and open plans is less harmful.  That'll make death really more free experience!  \o/

#9 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-09-19 11:31:31

stopAI wrote:

The best way to deal with AI safety is disable AI completely.

You safely can bet on [Horror Sapiens]'s greed, so shit definitely always will happen.

#10 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-09-18 20:27:01

Fraser Cain
& Guest: Dr. Roman Yampolskiy
Should We Slow Down AI Progress?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4M3Q_P2xP4

#11 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Anyone know how to get doas working properly on devuan? » 2024-09-17 16:16:16

bilhook wrote:

colon before user is interesting

doas.conf(5) wrote:
     identity     The username to match.  Groups may be specified by prepend-
                  ing a colon (':').  Numeric IDs are also accepted.

#12 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-08-31 10:02:47

nahkhiirmees wrote:

After removing those tags there will be only a retarded version of irc. Good luck finding any interesting discussion then.

Even in IRC users find ways to quote contents in a readable way, which btw still is possible here.

But sure I'd prefer to use a devuan.* hierarchy via NNTP, if all else fails maybe based on mailing lists gated to NNTP via Gmane?

#13 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-08-29 19:12:04

nahkhiirmees wrote:

Somehow i doubt that yeti was even born when i used Usenet news first time.

Sure you are allowed to doubt, but better do not bet on it!
But what does that add to the discussion?

#14 Re: Off-topic » How are you guys quoting posts? » 2024-08-29 00:17:31

nahkhiirmees wrote:

Have been thinking lately:
20+ years ago there were something called Usenet.

The original Fediverse still exists.

nahkhiirmees wrote:

I think back in the day the over-quoting was not that big problem as it its now with these web-based message_boards.

You should only quote the parts you are answering to.  Generation clickycolour seems to have unlearned that.  I hear similar things from plain email.  Instead of keeping the messages of a conversation in a folder, some expect the whole message pingpong to be appended to the newest part.  Microsoftisms?

Well... at least I'm not overlooking the quote button.

SIGH!

#15 ARM Builds » Transgrading DeBIan -> DeVUan » 2024-08-26 05:09:53

yeti
Replies: 0

((( Quasi-reply to Index » ARM Builds » Updating kernel (Raspberry pi 2). )))

Still no kernel updates?

Phewww...

Long ago (ASCII days?) I transgraded some Cubietrucks (UBoot images) from Debian to Devuan and so Debian's kernel update automagism survived.

I repeated that some days ago for two Debian12/RasPi2 and one Debian12/RasPi1 and doing that with two Debian12/RasPi4 is on my to do list.  The dist-upgrade step of the migration included a kernel update, so I'm now ommmmmmptimistically awaiting the next regular kernel update.

—▷ https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation … o-daedalus

Redoing this on some Cubietrucks (and maybe BananaPi-R1) is on my to do list too, but I'm fighting a ™Dark Energy Infection™ in that list...  YKWIM...

Maybe we should look at Debian's RasPI image generator and fork it to generate Devuan images directly?  Or is someone ommmmmmptimistic enough to ask the [Debian Raspberry Pi Maintainers] to add Devuan directly?  I'm not ... *sigh!*

—▷ https://salsa.debian.org/raspi-team/image-specs

OTOH:  Does accidentally someone know why DeBIan's daily builds of RasPI images are stuck since 2024-03-30?  Or has the page changed to a different URL and that one contains newer builds?

—▷ https://raspi.debian.net/daily-images/

#16 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] Anyone know how to get doas working properly on devuan? » 2024-08-17 19:37:00

My experiments on Devuan5 so far...

Two IMO relevant snippets from doas.conf(5):

It may be needed no not allow args for such wired to root commands:

     args [argument ...]
                  Arguments to command.  The command arguments provided by the
                  user need to match those specified.  The keyword args alone
                  means that command must be run without any arguments.

And I sometimes stumble over this one:

     The last matching rule determines the action taken.  If no rule matches,
     the action is denied.

I've a long compile job running so I tried to do this with a more harmless command.

~$ doas -L
~$ doas -L ## clear persistent passwords
~$ grep cmd /etc/doas.conf 
## permit|deny [options] identity [as target] [cmd command [args ...]]
permit nopass :sudo as root cmd date args
~$ doas id
doas (yeti@BEEP) password: (((ctrl-c))) 

~$ ## ok. that asked for a pasword
~$ doas date
Sat Aug 17 19:19:40 UTC 2024
~$ ## ok.   expected.   \o/
~$ doas date +%s
doas (yeti@BEEP) password:  (((ctrl-c)))

~$ ## ;-)  even better!  only allowed witout args.
~$ █

(((I hope I haven't screwed up that too much... the heat costs several IQ points...)))

#17 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-07-20 08:46:00

Prof Simon Holland
The strange tale of a.i. and Radar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egjZocX4BL8

Doubleplus scary.

#18 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan on Fediverse » 2024-07-04 06:35:56

Where can Devuan be found in the original fediverse?

If not done already, please let Gmane or Gwene forward the mailing lists to NNTP.

... and mention them e.g. here.

#19 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-30 19:41:18

Sabine Hossenfelder
AI passed the Turing Test -- And No One Noticed
https://piped.video/watch?v=GyNaH27lX90

- no comment -

#20 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-30 19:14:36

Do you watch the why files ?

Only when it is necessary for a reply.

Technology in the mainstream is usually lagging behind anything the 3 letter agencies already have.

War always has been the driving factor in development of technology.

The cost finally will be to lose humanity by either converging with technology to transhumans or by being replaced by AI.  This will solve no problems, as transhumans and/or "AI life" still will need to compete for resources and so I'm heavily convinced that only war will be the permanent survivor, just the players on the battlefield of life will get upgraded sometimes.

1. Hitchhiker 30: (6) "No," said the old man, "that's just perfectly normal paranoia.  Everyone in the Universe has that."

#21 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-30 06:55:54

thejuicemedia
Honest Government Ad | AI
https://piped.video/watch?v=TtVJ4JDM7eM

Still far too optimistic?

#22 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-29 00:49:29

Angela Collier
the malicious optimism of AI-first companies
https://piped.video/watch?v=dKmAg4S2KeE

#23 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-27 15:57:06

Sabine Hossenfelder
Superintelligent AI Will Try to Control Us, Geoffrey Hinton Warns
https://piped.video/watch?v=UcEyfQ1I8jg

#24 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-11 17:34:09

Apple⁽⁰⁾ is and always will be Apple Records for me.

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0: Apple in the context of companies, commerce, ...

#25 Re: Off-topic » AI Safety » 2024-06-11 16:36:14

Sabine Hossenfelder
AI Learned to Lie Deliberately (but it’s kinda funny)
https://piped.video/watch?v=BoAVyzzO1XE

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