Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

sonichy · 2024-12-24 02:53:34

https://alexxcons.github.io/blogpost_14.html
When to upgrade ?
I meet a bug:
https://gitlab.xfce.org/panel-plugins/x … issues/112

Altoid · 2024-12-24 10:02:07

Hello:

sonichy wrote:

When to upgrade?

Hmmm ...
Never?

sonichy wrote:

... meet a bug:

See?

Best,

A.

Last edited by Altoid (2024-12-24 10:02:22)

brocashelm · 2024-12-25 00:14:40

Hooray for Wayland integration!

Hooray for deprecating traditional UIs even more!

Hooray for even more CSD (just look at the Thunar screenshots)!

Hooray for Whisker Menu not being able to resize by hand (have to do it by X and Y variables, because it BREAKS in Wayland otherwise)!

Hooray for even more GTK3 (and soon GTK4) bloat along the way!

This was definitely what everyone asked for. So glad that Xfce is now a "modern" DE. Hip, hip, hooray! HOORAY!

P.S. Maybe it's time to fork 4.10 (at the latest). GTK2, X11, and less than 200 MB at "full load".

Altoid · 2024-12-25 00:28:59

Hello:

brocashelm wrote:

Hooray for ...

It seems that the term enshitification was coined especially this type of crap.

Unbelievable (albeit not unexpected).
The Xfce crowd have been heading towards it for the longest while.

Best,

A.

swanson · 2024-12-25 09:23:40

Really sad...

stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn · 2024-12-25 10:31:01

ditto, what they said...enshittification indeed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

stopAI · 2024-12-26 13:27:50

Really sad...

Hello.
Just use lxqt. LXQT uses significantly less computer resources than xfce4. And it doesn't use gtk3 nonsense.

greenjeans · Yesterday 03:11:37

Ick @QT.

I really don't like having both on my system. Bad enough having gtk2, gtk3, gtk4 etc, and trying to make it all look right. Really wish stuff like VLC would stop insisting on QT.

Enshittification is a great term. I already disliked CSS, but having to deal with it in ginormous theme files has made me despise it to the nth degree.

I'm sorry, but gtk 3 is a regression, adding nothing but bloat and all for the sake of doing stupid useless crap that's just annoying rather than useful to people who use computers as a tool.

It's like elementary school kids are doing everything these days, whatever they see on cartoons and anime`, they feel the need to include that bizarre crap in computer operating systems. The themes and icons are just beyond stupid. Nobody bothers to think of whether they should do a given thing , they just do mindless crap because they can.

</old man yelling at clouds>

stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn · Yesterday 07:06:16

@greenjeans,
very much agree with your observations and sentiments. it gets continually worse(and i don't foresee it ever getting better). i am actively searching for a completely different approach that _does_not_need_or_rely_on_anything_alphabet_apple_microsoft_redhat_etc_

any ideas from your end?

Last edited by stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn (Yesterday 07:06:38)

Altoid · Yesterday 10:09:10

Hello:

greenjeans wrote:

... already disliked CSS ...

Not CSD?

Anyway, there was a really huge row about the nimplementation of CSD in Xfce a couple of years ago at the Xfce forum.
Anyone with a modicum of common sense would have taken notice.

See https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=13689
But no, and here we are.

After all these years (!), devs and maintainers at Xfce haven't managed to get a properly functioning menu editor for Xfce.
Or the only two things I miss from MS Explorer: the Send To -> Any Folder and Snap to Grid actions.
Xfce4 desktop icons still have an atavistic tendency to position themselves as they please on the desktop

It would seem that devs and maintainers at Xfce just copy the shiny flashy crap but can't get the necessary basics right.

greenjeans wrote:

... they just do mindless crap because they can.

Maybe it is the same virus that has been affecting Mozilla devs for the longest time?

greenjeans wrote:

</old man yelling at clouds>

Here's another one.

Best,

A.

stopAI · Yesterday 14:01:13

Really wish stuff like VLC would stop insisting on QT.

The future of the graphical environment is QT. As for GTK, its future is unclear...

stopAI · Yesterday 14:02:28

any ideas from your end?

Hello.
Check FLTK.

greenjeans · Yesterday 16:12:56

gtk2 files in Numix-Frost = 1

gtk3+ files in same theme = 281

You should see all the notes in all the themes from the theme makers complaining about gtk3, and all the extra work they have to do to work around that mess. Also complaints about Firefox are rampant.

greenjeans · Yesterday 23:21:51

Two things I dislike about having QT apps mixed in a gtk system:

1. More bloat, I already have a toolkit installed, having two makes no sense.
2. The interior of QT apps does not respect the system theme and it's colors. In VLC the menubar and all dropdowns and tooltips are glaring white which looks like crap in my otherwise gray-blue-black theme.

I'd be happy to use a GTK media player as soon as they make one that works with DVD menus out of the box 100%, no half-azzed attempt at it or poring through the internet looking for hacks to try and make it kinda work.

brocashelm · Today 00:15:17

The great thing about Qt5 is that you can set an environmental variable to make your programs use GTK2, thus an easier time matching your preferred theme. That also includes VLC.

Simply install the package qt5-gtk2-platformtheme (add qt5ct and qt5-style-plugins if you want to tinker further). After that, open up your ~/.profile file and add export QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2 to it. Save it, log out, and log back in. Pretty much any Qt5 program will look and feel more like GTK2. For example, if you used the GTK3 version of Transmission, the Qt5 version will match your GTK2 themes and icons! It's basically a lifehack to always prefer Qt5 versions over GTK3 versions whenever possible.

Firefox and its forks (e.g. LibreWolf) also allow you to change its default GTK3 filepicker to the Qt5 filepicker. Just install xdg-desktop-portal-kde, which should start automatically. Go to about:config, search for widget.use-xdg-desktop-portal.file-picker, and change 2 to 1. Try to open or save then. Pale Moon is the only "modern" GTK2 Web browser still being maintained.

CSD is an abomination. Thankfully, some GTK3 programs are merciful enough to let us disable them either through setting GTK_CSD=0 or in their options (wow, we have a choice). I know Celluloid lets you do that.

So, what do you guys propose we do? Take up on maintaining LXDE (GTK2) and add the better features from Xfce? Or do we fork Xfce 4.12 (last GTK2 release), remove all the Wayland and GTK3 dependencies, and cherry pick the features and bug fixes from upstream? Also, SpaceFM supported up to four panels, but it's been abandoned, yet it's the ONLY file manager that lets you customize everything under the sun. It is a lot of work, and many of us don't have coding experience. In which case, i3 is all we'll have to settle for in the not-so-distant future.

The officially official Devuan Forum!

#1 2024-12-24 02:53:34

Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

#2 2024-12-24 10:02:07

Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

#3 2024-12-25 00:14:40

Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

#4 2024-12-25 00:28:59

Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

#5 2024-12-25 09:23:40

Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

#6 2024-12-25 10:31:01

Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

#7 2024-12-26 13:27:50

Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

#8 Yesterday 03:11:37

Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

#9 Yesterday 07:06:16

Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

#10 Yesterday 10:09:10

Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

#11 Yesterday 14:01:13

Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

#12 Yesterday 14:02:28

Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

#13 Yesterday 16:12:56

Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

#14 Yesterday 23:21:51

Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

#15 Today 00:15:17

Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

Board footer