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sonichy

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Registered: 2023-08-17

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Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

https://alexxcons.github.io/blogpost_14.html
When to upgrade ?
I meet a bug:
https://gitlab.xfce.org/panel-plugins/x … issues/112

Altoid

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Registered: 2017-05-07

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Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

Hello:

When to upgrade?

Hmmm ...
Never?

... meet a bug:

See?

Best,

A.

Last edited by Altoid (2024-12-24 10:02:22)

brocashelm

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Registered: 2020-06-29

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Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

Hooray for Wayland integration!

Hooray for deprecating traditional UIs even more!

Hooray for even more CSD (just look at the Thunar screenshots)!

Hooray for Whisker Menu not being able to resize by hand (have to do it by X and Y variables, because it BREAKS in Wayland otherwise)!

Hooray for even more GTK3 (and soon GTK4) bloat along the way!

This was definitely what everyone asked for. So glad that Xfce is now a "modern" DE. Hip, hip, hooray! HOORAY!

P.S. Maybe it's time to fork 4.10 (at the latest). GTK2, X11, and less than 200 MB at "full load".

Altoid

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Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

Hello:

Hooray for ...

It seems that the term enshitification was coined especially this type of crap.

Unbelievable (albeit not unexpected).
The Xfce crowd have been heading towards it for the longest while.

Best,

A.

swanson

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Registered: 2020-04-22

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Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

Really sad...

stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn

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Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

ditto, what they said...enshittification indeed

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enshittification

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stopAI

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Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

Really sad...

Hello.
Just use lxqt. LXQT uses significantly less computer resources than xfce4. And it doesn't use gtk3 nonsense.

greenjeans

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Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

Ick @QT.

I really don't like having both on my system. Bad enough having gtk2, gtk3, gtk4 etc, and trying to make it all look right. Really wish stuff like VLC would stop insisting on QT.

Enshittification is a great term. I already disliked CSS, but having to deal with it in ginormous theme files has made me despise it to the nth degree.

I'm sorry, but gtk 3 is a regression, adding nothing but bloat and all for the sake of doing stupid useless crap that's just annoying rather than useful to people who use computers as a tool.

It's like elementary school kids are doing everything these days, whatever they see on cartoons and anime`, they feel the need to include that bizarre crap in computer operating systems. The themes and icons are just beyond stupid. Nobody bothers to think of whether they should do a given thing , they just do mindless crap because they can.

</old man yelling at clouds>

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stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn

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Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

@greenjeans,
very much agree with your observations and sentiments. it gets continually worse(and i don't foresee it ever getting better). i am actively searching for a completely different approach that _does_not_need_or_rely_on_anything_alphabet_apple_microsoft_redhat_etc_

any ideas from your end?

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Altoid

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Re: Xfce 4.20 released in Dec 15,2024

Hello:

... already disliked CSS ...

Not CSD?

Anyway, there was a really huge row about the nimplementation of CSD in Xfce a couple of years ago at the Xfce forum.
Anyone with a modicum of common sense would have taken notice.

See https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=13689
But no, and here we are.

After all these years (!), devs and maintainers at Xfce haven't managed to get a properly functioning menu editor for Xfce.
Or the only two things I miss from MS Explorer: the Send To -> Any Folder and Snap to Grid actions.
Xfce4 desktop icons still have an atavistic tendency to position themselves as they please on the desktop

It would seem that devs and maintainers at Xfce just copy the shiny flashy crap but can't get the necessary basics right.

... they just do mindless crap because they can.

Maybe it is the same virus that has been affecting Mozilla devs for the longest time?

</old man yelling at clouds>

Here's another one.

Best,

A.