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#51 2020-08-24 19:15:47

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Re: What other distro are you using (besides devuan)?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

EDIT: for a rough example of this compare OpenBSD's grep.c (487 sloc) with GNU's grep.c (2177 sloc).

First, let me say that I have never used any of the BSDs and know very little about them. Although I disagree with the BSD license which allows entities to take BSD code without contributing any changes back, I have the utmost respect for Theo de Raadt who is largely responsible for a tool I use every day - OpenSSH.

I learned of BSD grep performance issues when I wrote a script on my netbook using grep to process a large data set. When I gave the script to an Apple Mac user, I got a complaint of slow performance. This puzzled me because the Apple Mac had a much more powerful CPU than my netbook. Then I came across a thread similar to this one here and it all made sense.

The only reason I can think of to encourage BSD grep  usage over GNU grep is if you are a cloud operator billing by CPU usage smile

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#52 2020-08-25 15:16:23

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Re: What other distro are you using (besides devuan)?

OpenBSD is always going to be slower than Linux because the developers prioritise security over features — for example their kernel is still mostly big-locked[0].


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#53 2020-09-15 14:49:09

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Re: What other distro are you using (besides devuan)?

I have two computers running Devuan and one very old one running SuSE 9.1; the SuSE one is for nostalgic reasons, I was on SuSE for 13 years or so.

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#54 2020-09-15 17:10:43

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Re: What other distro are you using (besides devuan)?

Hyperbola and thats about it. wink
My Devuan laptop is an x230 thinkpad with intel me disabled and coreboot on it. 
The laptop i using now is a thinkpad x200 with libreboot.  Hyperbola is on it.

Voidlinux is good except for one thing... I don't like that they have a very new kernel.  Also, no linux-libre option. hmm

Devuan at least has that option thanks to jxself.org

Unrelated to devuan, but it is an option. wink

I now use i3-wm for most of my laptops, except the x230 thinkpad which I use xfce4 on.

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#55 2020-10-06 07:17:53

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Re: What other distro are you using (besides devuan)?

From past weeks, I'm also using FreeBSD-12.1 on my desktop. It is a very interesting OS, and unlike last time, they have packages available and a nifty tool - pkg to install & manage packages. Gnome 3 is old at 3.28.3 and uses Consolekit2.

I have also seen Gnome-3.34 is  working fine in OpenBSD with Consolekit2. Will Devuan Gnome-3 works with Consolekit/2.

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#56 2020-10-06 18:33:08

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Re: What other distro are you using (besides devuan)?

I've diddled with Void and Miyolinux, but Devuan is my "serious" use distro.  For my companies back office stuff, I have a mix of Devuan, FreeBSD, and OpenBSD.  We do have a Windows 2012 server running our SolidWorks Vault as well as hosting MRP and QB.

For our companies products, I'm still in a pitched battle to rip RHEL from the hands of our software engineers and force them to drink from the cool chalice of Devuan...in a manner of speaking.

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#57 2020-10-06 18:52:00

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Re: What other distro are you using (besides devuan)?

zapper wrote:

Voidlinux is good except for one thing... I don't like that they have a very new kernel.  Also, no linux-libre option.

Void have an LTS kernel metapackage which is currently tracking the 4.14 branch and also offer 4.4, 4.9 & 4.19. Their kernels are already de-blobbed.

zapper wrote:

Devuan at least has that option thanks to jxself.org

Devuan's kernels are also de-blobbed, no need to rely on third-party repositories.


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#58 2020-10-06 19:58:12

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Re: What other distro are you using (besides devuan)?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

Voidlinux is good except for one thing... I don't like that they have a very new kernel.  Also, no linux-libre option.

Void have an LTS kernel metapackage which is currently tracking the 4.14 branch and also offer 4.4, 4.9 & 4.19. Their kernels are already de-blobbed.

zapper wrote:

Devuan at least has that option thanks to jxself.org

Devuan's kernels are also de-blobbed, no need to rely on third-party repositories.

Huh, didn't know that their kernels were already deblobbed, is this verifiable?

And they do have an lts package? Nice... didn't know that either. Hmm, might revisit in future.

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#59 2020-10-06 20:09:43

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Re: What other distro are you using (besides devuan)?

zapper wrote:

didn't know that their kernels were already deblobbed, is this verifiable?

Well they have separate packages for the firmware, which is a pretty clear sign smile

Otherwise check the source: https://github.com/void-linux/void-pack … plate#L180


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#60 2020-10-07 12:11:00

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Re: What other distro are you using (besides devuan)?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
zapper wrote:

Voidlinux is good except for one thing... I don't like that they have a very new kernel.  Also, no linux-libre option.

Void have an LTS kernel metapackage which is currently tracking the 4.14 branch and also offer 4.4, 4.9 & 4.19. Their kernels are already de-blobbed.

zapper wrote:

Devuan at least has that option thanks to jxself.org

Devuan's kernels are also de-blobbed, no need to rely on third-party repositories.

I wonder how long they will keep those kernels around for? I need kernel 4.19 anything later on my machine as i get lockups, dont know why.

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#61 2020-10-07 15:26:36

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Re: What other distro are you using (besides devuan)?

for as long as buster is supported, so will beowulf and kernel 4.19.   same goes for linux-libre-4.19 kernel available from freesh repo, for debian based systems...
i think both will stop getting updates sometime around 2024. but you can always pin kernel + skip updates after that..

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#62 2020-10-07 19:38:33

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Re: What other distro are you using (besides devuan)?

dev2cosmos wrote:

I wonder how long they will keep those kernels around for?

Until they reach EOL: https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html

dev2cosmos wrote:

I need kernel 4.19 anything later on my machine as i get lockups, dont know why.

Sounds like a regression. These are unfortunately common in Linux because the kernel developers are so keen to add new features that they keep breaking old ones. You should either attempt to find the cause yourself with a git bisect or report the issue to the kernel developers to help them fix it — they can't fix it if they don't know about it.

Using an outdated, EOL kernel is unwise. New kernel vulnerabilities are published frequently.


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#63 2020-10-08 12:49:13

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Re: What other distro are you using (besides devuan)?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
dev2cosmos wrote:

I wonder how long they will keep those kernels around for?

Until they reach EOL: https://www.kernel.org/category/releases.html

dev2cosmos wrote:

I need kernel 4.19 anything later on my machine as i get lockups, dont know why.

Sounds like a regression. These are unfortunately common in Linux because the kernel developers are so keen to add new features that they keep breaking old ones. You should either attempt to find the cause yourself with a git bisect or report the issue to the kernel developers to help them fix it — they can't fix it if they don't know about it.

Using an outdated, EOL kernel is unwise. New kernel vulnerabilities are published frequently.

Okay, well that good news for 4.19.

Im not knowledgeable of kernels very much but do know when i used kernels in unstable i would get lockups so better for me to stay in stable as i dont get such issue. The 4.9 kernel to me was the best for my machine although i did have to use dkms to get wifi working but this was fixed in 4.19.

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