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#26 2018-12-30 17:07:21

kuleszdl
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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

I found this discussion from which it seems that pulseaudio is a hard dependency for firefox:

https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/03/fir … alsa-linux

I don't consider chromium a viable alternative, so I am worried about this development. But as far as I understand, you confirm that Firefox works well with the apulse wrapper? And how about KDE? Can it be run with apulse instead of pulseaudio?

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#27 2018-12-30 18:19:00

golinux
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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

My understanding is that it just fools FF into thinking pulseaudio is there.  It has been discussed off and on for the last several years on the DNG mail list and this very forum so a little search fu might give you some ideas.   I'm still on jessie so no need to go there yet.  Good luck and let us know how it works for you.

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#28 2018-12-31 00:52:39

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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

As far as I know there is no dependency on pulseaudio with quantum.  I am running it on OpenBSD and I have no pulseaudio installed - and no alsa in fact.

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#29 2018-12-31 01:23:25

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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

cynwulf wrote:

As far as I know there is no dependency on pulseaudio with quantum.  I am running it on OpenBSD and I have no pulseaudio installed - and no alsa in fact.

It looks like it might only be on Linux systems

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#30 2018-12-31 09:59:30

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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

golinux wrote:

It looks like it might only be on Linux systems

For the record, I'm running firefox 64.0 without pulseaudio here in Gentoo paradise. The sound is excellent.

On the OP, I'd probably be around here more often if it wasn't for the disturbing level of tinfoil hat insanity that goes on. Some people really need to get a grip.

Last edited by steve_v (2018-12-31 10:12:45)

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#31 2018-12-31 13:51:09

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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

From everything I've read thus far, it would seem that building with alsa support enabled and pulseaudio support disabled is still supported, for now.

http://linuxfromscratch.org/blfs/view/s … refox.html

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#32 2018-12-31 17:21:05

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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

Perhaps someone will step up to do that.

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#33 2018-12-31 18:34:08

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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

steve_v wrote:

On the OP, I'd probably be around here more often if it wasn't for the disturbing level of tinfoil hat insanity that goes on. Some people really need to get a grip.

Huh?  There is much less tinfoil fantasy here than on most other forums.  It is mostly high level technical discussions and problem solving.  Maybe if you were around more often you'd know that.  wink

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#34 2019-01-03 17:04:54

kuleszdl
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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

As far as I understand, Devuan ships unmodified firefox-esr from Debian (Security). However, this one does not seem to depend on pulseaudio:

https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/ascii/ … eb9u1.html

@golinux: I am not sure how the rdepends from your posting relates to that. Maybe this changed from Jessie?

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#35 2019-01-03 17:56:41

Ron
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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

While I'm not the OP, I avoid PulseAudio because I don't like the philosophy of its author; that has nothing to do with tinfoil hats.

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#36 2019-01-03 18:47:08

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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

kuleszdl wrote:

@golinux: I am not sure how the rdepends from your posting relates to that. Maybe this changed from Jessie?

There was a question about how pusleaudio rdepends on beowulf compared to earlier releases.

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#37 2019-02-07 03:18:36

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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

spartrekus wrote:

Hello,

I think that that Devuan tries to be a *free* distribution, without ads, malwares, spying, NSA, and many beautiful modern Snowden technologies. But, Devuan and Linux kernel running increasingly more and more full of those things.

One of them is Pulseaudio, which makes Devuan not like it is described:
https://devuan.org/os/free-software

Chromium has no place here in the distribution. Why Wayland? This is not congruent with the *free* software.
Why Pulseaudio is still present?

Devuan is definitely not a Free Operating System, because it contains many Snowden components.

Devuan is actually not a free operating system, especially because it contains specific softwares.

How can Devuan become closer to a free operating system, like Unix (e.g. OpenBSD), and without malwares, ads,... ?

With best regards,
Sp.

I think your objections should be considered but I don't agree that OpenBSD is completely free of these things either. It's quite easy to install most of what you mentioned in OpenBSD as well. I do agree that Chromium is awful, I don't use it either. I don't like Firefox much either, I'm going to work on repackaging iceweasel-hardened and icedove-hardened for Devuan from Parabola since they are lightweight and hardened which is rather nice, I am a huge fan of Parabola and they offer a OpenRC edition of the OS. Just keep in mind, this is not a wholly free GNU/Linux distribution, neither has it been endorsed by the Freedom Software Foundation. I don't think that's the objective, the objective is to be without systemd. If your objective is wholly free software, you should use Parabola.

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#38 2019-02-07 03:28:12

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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

thecolorjay wrote:

I'm going to work on repackaging iceweasel-hardened and icedove-hardened for Devuan from Parabola since they are lightweight and hardened which is rather nice

Good that you are taking on that task.  smile  Thanks.

I am a huge fan of Parabola and they offer a OpenRC edition of the OS.

OpenRC is also available on Devuan with an expert install.

I don't think that's the objective, the objective is to be without systemd. If your objective is wholly free software, you should use Parabola.

Devuan derivatives heads and gnuinos are "libre".

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#39 2019-02-07 12:40:43

cynwulf
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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

thecolorjay wrote:

I think your objections should be considered but I don't agree that OpenBSD is completely free of these things either. It's quite easy to install most of what you mentioned in OpenBSD as well.

The main difference is that they are in ports.  So they are not actually part of OpenBSD's base system and not developed by the project.  People can choose whether to use them or not.

In essence the ports system of any *BSD is what amounts to "almost all the crap you get with a typical Linux distribution".

It's probably important to note that:

1) Many OpenBSD developers/users don't install any of it, or just very little (same applies to any 'BSD).
2) Many OpenBSD developers/users don't run X or care about audio, etc.
3) Many OpenBSD developers/users use a different OS altogether as a desktop, as they don't subscribe to the "GNU ideology" / Linux fanclub, whatever you want to call it.

thecolorjay wrote:

I do agree that Chromium is awful, I don't use it either.

I currently use Iridium, have been doing so for well over 12 months, but I will probably switch back to seamonkey or firefox at some point soon.

Iridium has been good, but I have a growing problem with the "chromium base" and it's dominance of the web browser market - a bandwagon which Microsoft have now jumped on as well in rebasing their Edge browser on it.

In terms of the UI/configuration options, firefox seems to be intent on aping the horrible chromium style.  That's not a good strategy.

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#40 2019-02-07 15:05:31

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Re: Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan?

Apologies if this information is already known. Seamonkey, Pale moon browser nor Iceweasel support DRM at this time - which means watching things like NetFlix or Hulu that people pay good money for will not happen. As for installing PipeLight/Silverlight or MoonLight... does not seem to help with watching DRM content. As for using Chromium or Vivaldi... while based on Google Chrome - requires much tweaking and plugins, it feels not worth the time and effort to enable Chromium to watch DRM content such as NetFlix.

I dislike PulseAudio also and tweaked my system to fall back to using ALSA. But kept the PulseAudio files installed so I can use Firefox ESR to watch stuff like NetFlix. Even then I am sticking with version Firefox 52.9 ESR since Firefox screwed everyone over forcing upgrades that stopped plugins users love from working and even killed themes such as LittleFox and MicroFox - which laptop users like myself enjoy.

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