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Sorry, but playing with CSS files is not at all congruent with making Devuan a usable OS -- any more so than what Greenjeans has already provided to the community out of his own kind efforts.
Three years ago, we had a user who put in the effort to help Devuan by creating a DVD set production script and a survey of user-made content. There was a lot of potential to help the project out in both cases, but of course, he was bullied and driven away by a few people in position of power over a non-issue (source). Not long after, one of the staff members unilaterally removed the quote-to-reply functionality without consulting the active userbase first, just because of said non-issue that bothered said staff member.
Had said incident not happened, he would have likely contributed directly to the releases of Daedalus and now Excalibur, as well as the next testing version Freia. Instead of throwing all this bureaucratic crap on regular users offering to volunteer in SOME form, maybe consider that they (we) are the ones who keep Devuan's wheels spinning, and without these users, Devuan loses users to another distro like Artix or even Gentoo.
Wow, don't know what I did to deserve that after 10 years with Devuan.
Pretty sure I made some contributions along the way, but as I don't keep score I couldn't give you a breakdown or a total.
Also pretty sure i've mentioned multiple times that I have accelerated my learning curve by many orders of magnitude this year, with one of the goals of that being able to help more, maybe maintain some packages at least.
And you have, and will (hopefully) keep doing that! I don't currently have a use case for the software and scripts you've released at this time, but it's seriously cool to see more love for YAD (I see you're a regular at the BunsenLabs forums, too
).
You can also use EasyRPG Player to play those games natively. ![]()
"Right-wing nuts" and Reddit should never belong in the same sentence, ever.
Got the unfortunate news (link) that Didier Spaier, the creator of Slint, has passed away.
While I never personally interacted with him, I remember his very helpful posts at the Salix (which he also contributed a lot to) and LinuxQuestions.org forums. Thanks for everything, and rest in peace.
[slint] Very sad news
From: Philippe Delavalade <philippe.delavalade@xxxxxxxxx>
To: slint@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2026 16:18:02 +0100Dear all.
I am very sad to inform everyone that our friend Didier died last week.
Early 2015, I asked on the slackware list if brltty could be added in the
installer ; Didier answered promptly that he could do it on
slint. Afterwards, he worked hard so that slint became as accessible as
possible for visually impaired people.You all know that all these years, he tried and succeeded to answer as
quickly as possible to our issues and questions.He will be irreplaceable.
Regards.
--
Philippe
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There was a long time ago a package with a cartoon girl on the desktop that lost more of her clothes the hotter the CPU was... I don't believe today debian would ever accept such a package ever again.
That's Hot Babe (hot-babe). I got the last DEB binary from Medibuntu working just fine on Daedalus...
Can't recommend OpenNTPD enough. It also works really well with Runit.
Zero issues with any time synchronization here.
The only thing to keep in mind with Slackware is that its package management does not use automatic dependency tracking, which means that you will often have to install everything but the kitchen sink to avoid problems.
If that's not your jam, but you still want to explore the distro, try out Salix, which -- on top of having automatic dependency tracking with the Apt-Get-like package manager Slapt-Get-- has the largest official repository of all the Slackware-based distros (most of them compiled straight from the SlackBuilds).
15.0 (for both Slackware and Salix) is the current stable release, and is comparable to Debian Bullseye (which Devuan Chimaera is based on). You can add specific third-party repositories for newer or otherwise missing packages, but that's not needed when you can just rely on using SlackBuilds.
This idea has been suggested many, many times in the past (in different incarnations) -- and the responses are the same as ever: put in the effort yourself or nothing will happen.
The focus of Devuan is removing Systemd and replacing its bits and pieces with Elogind, ConsoleKit2, Seatd, etc. where unavoidable. With Debian furthering the enshittification -- and now with Excalibur's release basing on Trixie -- those aforementioned bits and pieces are much harder to avoid now. That's where our collective efforts should be: to keep Systemd and other "fix what isn't broken" mechanisms at bay.
There are countless distros that are more newbie-focused that you could use, or else use a Devuan respin that meets your needs. You could always just install ExtRepo if you need third-party repositories for whatever reason. AppImages also work without affecting your system.
I don't see why we need a further stirring of the pot.
Has anyone tried compiling STLWRT?
I don't know if FluxBB has the ability to set posts made in any forum section to not count towards your overall post count. If that were the case, then the user might be convinced that their post was "deleted" (i.e. the count went down), but the moderator actually just moved it to an inaccessible section that doesn't add to that metric.
Debian will be removing GTK2 from its repositories before Forky. You heard that right.
Hi all,
the Debian GNOME team has a goal of removing gtk+2.0 from Forky before
the release of Debian 14 in 2027.Debian is not the only distro doing this. A few months ago, Arch Linux
removed GTK 2 from its official (non-AUR) repositories [1]. RHEL 10 was
released earlier in 2025 without GTK 2.gtk3 was released 15 years ago. Debian has had the stable 3.24 series
[2] for more than 7 years.Most affected packages [3] had bugs filed against them for this issue
in 2020. Some exceptions include packages that gained a gtk2 dependency
after that date or packages that weren't in Testing then (like openjdk-
8) or for input methods and themes. The list of currently affected
packages is less than 25% as long as the list was in 2020.One blocker towards finishing this transition is that the graphical
Debian Installer still uses gtk2.As mentioned in our 2020 MBF [4], besides being unmaintained for years,
GTK 2 does not support either HiDPI or native Wayland.On behalf of the Debian GNOME team,
Matthias Geiger <werdahias>
Has anyone managed to build spacefm or debianize spacefm for Excalibur yet? Upstream Debian did something shady and replaced the spacefm package with gtk3 whereas previously spacefm was gtk2 (congruent with upstream spacefm's recommendations) and there was a seperate packge spacefm-gtk3 if you wanted that. This was done by the "debian gnome team".
Unfortunately building spacefm yourself on Excalibur isn't so easy. There's some things that needs to be patched in the source code. Also using the gtk3 version isn't usable because of constant segfaults, clipboard not working, gtk3 breakage and mess.
Secondly claws-mail maintains a separate gtk2 branch. I've managed to compile that and use it with upstream Debian made claws-mail gtk3 even though it's a separate branch. This is working and continues to work after the upgrade but compiling and installing from source leaves it out from apt's package management. There's now been some minor updates to the gtk2 branch of claws-mail I'd like to install but it's not so easy tracking claws-mail releases anymore.
Surely someone has done this work before? I don't want to rebuild and repackage these things if somebody else has already done that.
You could simply pin or hold the version of SpaceFM that you installed from Daedalus, which is still GTK2. As it hasn't had any upstream changes since early 2018, it's safe to say the package hasn't implemented any new features or critical bug fixes over time. The last significant thing I remember being that the thumbnail issue was fixed. You could just wait a short while when launching it or disable thumbnails altogether. It's still way faster than Thunar.
Also, the last version of Claws Mail that you can build with GTK2 is the 3.x.x series. The last Debian build of it in that is 3.18.0-1. As of 4.x.x, you must use GTK3 or newer. It will complain if your version of GTK is "outdated".
Are you logged in as root in a graphical session (not recommended) or using something like Sudo in a terminal window (recommended)? For the latter, just refer to Rbit's post on locating specific configuration files and append a command such as Nano or Vim to them.
For example, typing in sudo nano /etc/slim.conf will escalate user privileges by allowing you to directly modify the respective file. Make your changes, and then save with Ctrl+O. If you want to try a different preinstalled theme, you can then use cd /usr/share/slim/themes/ and type ls within that directory to view the available themes to choose from for the configuration file.
You could always just use an older version of Xfce that didn't have this problem. If you understand how to do Apt pinning, you can prevent Devuan from overwriting your preferred version of Xfce with a newer one that you don't like.
I haven't tested this on Excalibur, but Xfce 4.12 works flawlessly on Daedalus. It's basically the same version of Xfce that shipped with Ascii and Beowulf (slightly GTK3). Memory footprint is very low.
Try that before ditching Xfce for good.
why dont you do something about it then brocashelm.
I already did. By using Xfce 4.12 DEB files on Daedalus.
The further downstream you go, the more vulnerable the project is. It's better to stay as close to the original, where much of the significant changes can be observed. Whatever Debian does outside of init stuff will usually befall Devuan, because that's just how it's set up.
Slackware never adopted Systemd in any fashion, and they have no upstream distro to answer to. They do use Elogind where applicable, though.
The problem is that the current "solutions" are not reasonably sound for a lot of regular people who just want to use their computers without stuff getting in their way. Suggesting tiling WMs or doing everything in the terminal is like picking between burning to death and drowning.
That, and shifting the blame on the person offering some constructive criticism to go do the project maintainer's job compounds the whole enshittification aspect of FLOSS. There will never be a "Year of the Linux Desktop" until people stop allowing nonsense to affect code.
Welcome to the Unthemable, Bloated, Stinky Foot Toolkit Horror Show. Soon enough, we'll force Wayland down your throat by way of GTK5.
We can only blame MATE and Xfce developers AND users for not forking/improving GTK2.
I'll be staying on Daedalus. This release is significantly more bloated and resource-hungry than ever before. A lot of GTK2 software essentially got deleted or replaced with their GTK3/GTK4 counterparts, even LXDE itself. Moreover, it's harder than ever to have a pleasant Systemd-free desktop experience, because literally everything is built against it or Elogind now.
Are you interested in helping fork Xfce 4.12, SpaceFM, and GTK2?
And prize exhibit C:
Please take that nonsense to social media. Not appropriate here.
You talk crap to your own users, but the moment someone wants to loosen the tensions here lately, you go all gestapo and start closing and nuking threads/posts. Yet, your own example is to berate people, just as you've been doing for years. That's some of the biggest bullshit I've ever seen, and particularly that you've never contributed a single line of code. Tinkering with generic Clearlooks CSS files and "hosting" a typical small forum is something anyone can do. Developers and maintainers on other distro forums don't pull nearly the kind of crap that goes on here with the (over)moderating, and when they need help, they do it correctly, instead of bitching and moaning to their own loyal users.
The real JOKE is the way things are run here, and maybe even Devuan (it really is just a Debian with some packages that happen to work with SysVinit, a package suite that Debian already provides). You micromanage the living shit out of a public forum. That's what drives people away from here and eventually Devuan altogether. Do you really want that? Keep it up, and eventually your active user count (sans the staff) will be zero. Your failure to listen to what people like Steve_V had to say regarding Devuan's future will ultimately fall on you, and people will move on from this distro. Make your bed, and lay in it.
You full-quoted a post? Do you realise what you've done?
Yup, doing it again. Next, I'm sure, is the deprecation of text highlighting...
Those poor, poor bits and bytes that could've been used for more whining instead.
Wait, this isn't this go and ralph's pessimistic arguing club? I must have taken a wrong turn somewhere, I swear that's what thesign on the door said...
Probably will be now, since I'm quoting your entire post. Whoops.
All I will say is that I'm quite surprised this dumpster fire of a thread is STILL GOING (long after the issue had been marked as solved), when that "joke" thread has been locked not one, but two times already -- and all it took for the latter action was an undesirable regular getting shit on. Greenjeans and I were the only ones who actually posted content that WAS on-topic, instead of dad "jokes" or back-and-forth pessimistic arguing.