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#2427 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Having some issues with Mate » 2017-07-27 12:36:04

Newer versions of mate packaged by Antofox are available here -
http://hezeh.org/the-hezeh-repository/

The plan is for these to be added to the main devuan repository. I don't have an exact timeline, but it shouldn't be too long. This is one of the higher priority tasks right now.

If that doesn't fix it, one workaround is to install pmount and use spacefm to mount/unmount usb drives.

#2428 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-26 22:52:39

One small warning. If the package gets upgraded, your edits will be replaced. One way around this is to make a separate desktop file. Edit the Name line so it looks different in the menu. If you want it not to show up, you could add to the original file something like

OnlyShowIn=LXDE

(or change LXDE to whatever desktop you are not using.) That will still get wiped on upgrade, but you won't have to look at it until then,

#2429 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-25 21:03:57

Aha! More to it than I thought about. If you install from the regular installer isos, grub looks in /boot and lists the newest version kernel first. If you install from the live isos (using refractainstaller) it uses the symlinks /vmlinuz and /initrd.img which will be the most recent kernel you installed, regardless of the version. The kernel that gets replaced gets the /vmlinuz.old symlink.

#2430 Re: Devuan » whict/how many archs/ports have Devuan available? » 2017-07-25 20:59:11

i386, amd64 plus the embedded and virtual images.
All are here - https://files.devuan.org

#2431 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] Menu fix if a user has upgraded to Ascii... » 2017-07-25 10:21:25

I can think of two reasons for showing the old kernel - either you didn't install the newer kernel or you haven't rebooted yet. The kernel doesn't get automatically upgraded to a newer version unless you have the kernel metapackage installed. (something like linux-image-amd64)

Thanks for taking the plunge. I've been wanting to try an upgrade to ascii on miyo or vuudo for awhile but haven't gotten around to it.
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#2432 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Dell XPS 13 9360 ("Developer Edition") and ascii or ceres vs Debian 9 » 2017-07-25 01:55:12

If you do get the laptop, I hope you'll try the live iso with the backports kernel. I'm curious to know if it works, and you might help the next guy thinking of getting one of these laptops.

ascii is based on stretch. We don't do it the way ubuntu does. They copy the whole unstable repo and then start changing things to suit themselves. Devuan tracks releases more closely. Jessie has all the same software versions as Jessie (except where systemd dependencies have been removed) and ascii will have the same versions as stretch. Devuan doesn't keep most of the debian packages in the devuan repo. They get pulled from debian. When you install a package, amprolla decides which packages to pull from debian and which to replace with the devuanized versions, so you don't have to use debian sources yourself and accidentally install something that will want systemd.

Right now, the way to install ascii is to install jessie and upgrade. Two excptions I know of are:
1. Heads, which focuses on privacy and security, somilar to Tails - https://heads.dyne.org/
2. Refracta pre-alpha ascii, i386, No-X (cli only). https://sourceforge.net/projects/refrac … s/testing/

There may be more choices in a few weeks. If you install debian or ubuntu before that, maybe save a little hard drive space for testing.

#2433 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Dell XPS 13 9360 ("Developer Edition") and ascii or ceres vs Debian 9 » 2017-07-25 00:53:20

In general, I would say that ascii is not ready, but it is possible to use it. If the instructions you saw are these - https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebia … PS_13_9360 - I have some comments.

They don't say why you need stretch. My best guess is that you need the newer kernel. One way around that would be to use the backports kernel in jessie. You can get wireless firmware from backports, too. I don't suppose costco would let you boot a live-usb on their floor model, but if they did, you could try a devuan live-iso I made with backports kernel and wireless firmware - http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/experimental/  (note: it's not an official release, but it was made and signed by the guy who did make the official desktop-live isos.)

The major deal-breaker I see is the recommendation to install gnome desktop environment. Gnome depends heavily on systemd, and parts of it are uninstallable in devuan. If you knew which parts of it were really needed for this laptop, you might be able to install just those parts. If you're counting on using devuan on this laptop, it might be a risky purchase.

#2434 Re: Devuan » Stretch is coming, Devuan status backported or up to date packages » 2017-07-24 09:29:14

1, 2 and 3 are correct. Devuan Jessie tracks Debian Jessie, ascii is tracking stretch, and ceres will always track sid. While stretch has reached stable, ascii still requires some work. I think it's less confusing if you stick with the codenames instead of talking about stable/testing/unstable. Right now, debian buster is in testing and devuan beowulf, which will track buster, does not yet exist. I think the beowulf repo will probably get set up after amprolla3 goes online, which should be soon.

#2435 Re: Documentation » Make a live-CD with live-sdk » 2017-07-21 17:58:08

postunpack is an error log generated by lib/libdevuansdk/zlibs/bootstrap.

I don't know if anyone has tried live-sdk on anything other than devuan. There are references to devaun in /usr/share/debootstrap/scripts/jessie in the devuan version of debootstrap, but I doubt you'll find them in debian or ubuntu. Maybe it's possible to install devuan debootstrap in ubuntu, and if so, maybe it will work. I don't know.

#2436 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-18 09:46:19

'apt-get remove' - packages that were automatically installed with the named package will be set to 'autoremove'. Run 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.

'aptitude remove' - packages that were automatically installed with the named package will also be removed.

'apt-remove' - I don't know what it will do.

#2437 Re: Other Issues » Qupzilla will not upgrade » 2017-07-17 15:14:18

Ceres and Sid have the same version. It's probably because qupzilla was built with newer qt5 libraries that haven't made it into the repo yet. Wait a few days or a few weeks and things should catch up.

#2438 Re: Other Issues » Sudo does not work on shells only on guis [SOLVED] » 2017-07-16 23:26:02

There are three choices for the sudo settings:
  - Permit sudo adds the user to the sudo group.
  - Sudo as default does the above, plus edits two files. *
        In ~/.gconf/apps/gksu/%gconf.xml sudo_mode gets set to true
        In ~/.su-to-rootrc  "su" gets changed to "sudo"
  - Sudo only for shutdown adds /etc/sudoers.d/user_shutdown. This is the default setting.

In all cases, if there is a root account, it is not disabled.

*Edit: more than two files. It also looks for kdesurc/tdesurc for KDE or TDE desktops.

#2439 Re: Installation » Cloning Devuan to a different partition updating linux-krnl initrd-img » 2017-07-16 23:13:03

Thanks for the appreciation. Glad it works for you.

You have to change limit_cpu="no" to "yes" for cpulimit to work. It's not on by default.

Changing the work and snapshot directories should work correctly. Check the config file to make sure you edited it correctly. Make sure the storage device is mounted. If you want a more verbose error log, run it in debug mode (add -d option or change the setting in the config file).

#2440 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-16 22:37:21

PeteGozz wrote:

   
    type -  exit                                                           exits

Can't find the smiley with the big-eyed look of shock. Damn. Thanks for that. I didn't know.

Maybe the text over the entry box should say "username or command" instead of just "username". Check with the boss (a.k.a. She who has command over all things visual.)

#2441 Re: Installation » Cloning Devuan to a different partition updating linux-krnl initrd-img » 2017-07-16 10:35:17

If you have more than one window manager or desktop environment, the slim login screen will let you scroll through them with the F1 key.

rsyslog from jessie-backports installs and works in ascii, so that's another option. I haven't tried it in ceres.

To each, his own. I couldn't get away from the default slim background fast enough. Is it the blue one or the red one?

#2442 Re: Other Issues » Sudo does not work on shells only on guis [SOLVED] » 2017-07-16 10:03:21

1. Yes, there should be a %sudo line in /etc/sudoers. Mine looks like this:

# Allow members of group sudo to execute any command
%sudo	ALL=(ALL:ALL) ALL

2. You must have installed from one of the live isos and chosen "use sudo only for shutdown" instead of "use sudo as default".

If those are not both true, then something is wrong or I'm wrong about the situation.

#2443 Re: Devuan » A few questions before installing Devuan » 2017-07-13 13:56:43

I'll answer in reverse order of your questions.

UEFI install works with the installer isos, same as debian. For the desktop-live, there's a separate iso for uefi.

The default desktop is xfce and uses xfce4-power-manager. Mate has its own power manager, and I'm not sure what lxde uses. From what I hear, they all suck. I haven't heard of anyone using powertop, but if you try it, please let us know how it works.

I don't know about docker. Ceres and ascii have the same version as stretch, buster and sid - 1.5-1+b1 0

Nvidia driver is the same as in debian. Here are the available versions. It's also possible to install from the nvidia binary, just as in debian. See the debian wiki for instructions on the different ways to install it.

apt-cache policy nvidia-driver
nvidia-driver:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 340.102-1
  Version table:
     375.66-2 0
         10 http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian/ buster/non-free amd64 Packages
         10 http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian/ sid/non-free amd64 Packages
        100 http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ceres/non-free amd64 Packages
     375.66-1 0
         10 http://debian.csail.mit.edu/debian/ stretch/non-free amd64 Packages
        100 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ ascii/non-free amd64 Packages
     375.66-1~bpo8+1 0
        200 http://packages.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports/non-free amd64 Packages
     340.102-1 0
        500 http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie/non-free amd64 Packages

#2444 Re: Installation » Ceres minimal .iso ... » 2017-07-11 23:02:59

Oh! I didn't know you could run without a syslogger. If you want one, there are two other choices that do work in ascii. busybox-syslogd and syslog-ng. (You don't need it often, but when you do, it's pretty important.)

#2445 Re: Installation » Ceres minimal .iso ... » 2017-07-11 17:38:20

I'm confused. How did you solve it?

Your sources.list looks ok except that you're using ascii, not ceres. Did you reinstall or do something else? Right now, I think it makes more sense to use ascii, but it also might help to enable ceres and pin it to a lower priority.  Then you can add packages from ceres selectively.

I don't think you need the packages.devuan.org line, but it won't hurt. If you want the rsyslog from jessie-backports, you would need to temporarily add a line with

deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie-backports main

and then run

apt-get update
apt-get -t jessie-backports install rsyslog

(Then remove the jessie-backports line and update again)

#2446 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-11 17:13:39

Not only do they shut them down, they do it without the root password! Big fancy desktop environments (that you've heard about ) provide buttons and/or menu entries for this. Whether those work or not in devuan seems to be somewhat of a crap shoot.

There are several threads about it here and it's come up in irc several times. Search forum for some combination of the following keywords:

consolekit policykit-1 libpam-ck-connector upower shutdown reboot suspend hibernate

I know I'm missing something again. Pretty sure there are more than four packages on that list.

If that was you volunteering to maintain slim at the end of you message, THANK YOU!  Probably you and Centurion Dan should get together and talk (while I'm asleep) and we can get an installable slim in ascii.

Edit: ...and xfce4-power-manager

#2447 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-11 15:39:59

consolekit is needed for shutdown and reboot buttons to work. This has been a recurring issue since about when we started on this path a couple years ago.

#2448 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-11 15:21:23

git clone https://git.devuan.org/PeteGozz/slim.git
cd slim
git checkout debugg
nano debian/changelog   #bump version
fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -b
dpkg -i slim_1.3.6-5+devuan4~pg2_amd64.deb

Edit: doing it again after setting consolekit to NO in debian/rules

Edit2: without consolekit, I lose reboot/suspend/shutdown buttons in xfce and I also lose the bug login background. (I get the pink slim blood&guts theme.)

#2449 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-11 15:01:49

Bugs are crawling up my legs!
    -- Laurie Anderson

It builds. It installs. It runs. It frightens.

It worked on 2 out of 3 ascii systems. The third one lacks dbus, consolekit and libck-connector0, so I didn't install it on that one. I didn't look at the docs.

#2450 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED]is ther a microcode for intel » 2017-07-11 14:23:02

Make sure you have non-free enabled in /etc/apt/sources.list

deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie main contrib non-free

Then

apt-get update
apt-get install intel-microcode

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