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#1976 Re: Other Issues » deb.devuan.org doesn't get updates for Jessie, auto.mirror.devuan does » 2019-05-07 22:21:32
All packages are up to date.
That is working. There are no updates because everything is already up to date,
See? sources.list is correct, but still no updates. Please note that I am using Jessie. Ascii is working fine with deb.devuan.org.
Jessie is old stable. It will probably only get security patches. I just ran update and there are no packages for me to install either on jessie i386.
#1977 Re: Other Issues » deb.devuan.org doesn't get updates for Jessie, auto.mirror.devuan does » 2019-05-07 15:19:59
IIUC, not all the mirrors in deb.devuan.org support https so it requires http to function properly. If you want to use https, the advice I remember was to look at the mirror list and choose a specific mirror that provides it.
#1978 Re: Other Issues » VLC has no codecs » 2019-05-06 05:37:40
As I was saying . . .
#1979 Re: Installation » Beowulf questions » 2019-05-06 01:11:51
Never mind. I just found it at the top of the forum page. I find that a strange place to put the link to the page for searching packages.
It's also in my signature on every post.
That it isn't on the official Devuan site is very odd.
It's all over the devuan.org site - on the index page and about 6 other pages too . . . maybe more. No blinking neon though. 
#1980 Re: Installation » Beowulf questions » 2019-05-06 00:35:22
@sgage . . . thanks for the heads-up. I sometimes lose track of things . . .
#1981 Re: Installation » Beowulf questions » 2019-05-05 22:21:32
1. I surfed over to the devuan mirror links page wanting to get an iso image for beowulf. The mirrors I looked at only had directories for ascii and Jessie. Where do the Beowulf directories exist? Do they exist on only some mirrors and I didn't happen to look at the right mirrors?
Beowulf is still in testing so no official installation isos are available on the mirrors. You can upgrade from ASCII by changing your sources to beowulf or use the one of the mini.isos here. Read the options carefully because there are some different ones available:
https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dis … s/netboot/
https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dis … s/netboot/
2. Are all the software packages now in Beowulf the only ones that are going to be included? I was interested specifically in the latest xiphos version that exists in Debian Buster but when I updated my sources.list file to look at the Beowulf repositories, did an aptitude update, and then used apt-cache to search for xiphos it did not show up in Beowulf.
#1982 Re: Other Issues » VLC has no codecs » 2019-05-05 05:05:52
I must say that you're living up to your nick.
#1983 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Mozilla Firefox unacceptable tactics - PLEASE ADVISE » 2019-05-05 02:44:26
#1984 Re: Installation » It works! » 2019-05-03 18:39:44
Thanks for the happy news. 
#1985 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Replacement for system-config-lvm in Beowulf » 2019-05-02 19:28:08
Is there a replacement available with similar capabilities?
There could be if you forked and packaged it for Devuan.
#1986 Re: Off-topic » Something is wrong with my Devuan setup because my containers work » 2019-05-01 18:50:48
Just stumbled over this pro-systemd talk from linux.conf.au which suggests that we need systemd for properly running containers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo
Haven't heard this argument before. Now I am wondering what is wrong in my Devuan setup since the lxc containers seem to work in Devuan even with sysvinit although UNIX is dead.
More amusement from the systemd camp. Most of their arguments are propaganda not fact. Read this if you haven't before.
However, one thing that I could not agree more with the speaker is the following:
The world around us is changing and we can either go with the change or we can try and resist it.
The borg tired that argument too, rather forcefully.
Happy to hear that everything is working for you.
#1987 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Thank you to whoever got Gnome desktop running » 2019-05-01 14:23:57
Comment from helios21 who is "not that much of a forum guy":
Yes, I bet it is due to elogind packaging.
GNOME depends on systemd-logind, which elogind-compat provides.
Debian developers work to convince packagers of packages which depend on
systemd-logind to change the dependencies in a way that makes elogind-
compat superfluous. AFAIR it was by having elogind and systemd-logind
both provide logind. And then have either a default-logind packages
which recommends systemd-logind on Debian, elogind on Devuan or so this
with a direct dependency aka "systemd-logind | elogind" on Debian and
vice versa an Devuan. But AFAIR there was talk about some "default-
logind" package.
#1988 Re: Installation » The most secure hardened kernel » 2019-05-01 06:58:01
golinux wrote:Don't you need a valid PW to change the PW? Or does this forum have an "I forgot my PW" option? (Too lazy to log out to see if it's there.)
Joke? Is password reset used to find a recipient in recent Echelon data to avoid mining deeper into older layers?
I have no idea what you're talking about.
#1989 Re: Installation » The most secure hardened kernel » 2019-05-01 04:40:02
Don't you need a valid PW to change the PW? Or does this forum have an "I forgot my PW" option? (Too lazy to log out to see if it's there.)
#1990 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Weird message while updating the system » 2019-04-30 04:09:46
Try a different mirror or pkgmaster.devuan.org
#1991 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Thank you to whoever got Gnome desktop running » 2019-04-29 17:22:09
Gnome desktop is fully functional? No one here is actively working on Gnome things. Might be a side effect of the recent work on elogind from the Debian-Devuan init-diversity collaborators. As a result of that Plasma is now working on Debian Sid without systemd.
#1992 Re: Devuan » Meet cinnabar (Beowulf default theme) » 2019-04-28 16:26:28
Can this be put together in an installable Devuan package please? I tried to figure out where to put the files from the zips, but the detail given in this thread is insufficient for me and my experience.
It will be eventually. Problem is that I play with the crayons but am clueless about packaging. I passed it on to someone maybe 2 months ago to do that but it fell into a big black hole. I could help you find where to put things if you ping me on irc freenode sometime.
BTW: after the latest Beowulf update mit lightdm login splash screen is displaying Debian 10! Would like to get rid of this.
Here you go: https://dev1galaxy.org/files/cinnabar_lightDM.zip
#1993 Re: Installation » [Solved] apt sources list retrieve? » 2019-04-28 00:25:42
# nano /etc/apt/sources.listOr your text editor of choice. You can also edit with synaptic.
#1994 Re: Other Issues » openjdk-8 on Jessie » 2019-04-27 01:14:26
Looks like that package is in ascii:
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pk … elease=any
You would need to backport it to use in jessie (and I have no idea how to do that). Or you could always upgrade to ascii.
Note that it is "not-a-good-idea" (tm) to use packages directly from the debian repos. If a package is available, amprolla will serve the debian version to devuan via redirect.
#1995 Re: Installation » Devuan Package Ratio » 2019-04-22 16:43:34
Having done a simple test on migration from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii on a virtual machine, I am planning for changing over two "production" desktop computers. Just as a matter of interest, since the migration process was straightforward, it would be useful to know what fraction of Debian packages are affected by the elimination of systemd.
https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt
My test was on a "bare bones" system with 438 packages, and only 23 packages listed by dpkg -l show with a Devuan identifier. Is the ratio going to be the same on machines running a more comprehensive selection of software?
This may partially answer your question: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages
#1996 Re: Other Issues » Is the debian/devuan merge working right? » 2019-04-20 18:52:42
grep -v '^#\|^$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*}That line is chicken scratches to me but that comma in {,.d/*} looks out of place so wondering if it is a typo.
#1997 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » How to install Devuan Ceres without starting from ASCII? » 2019-04-12 19:45:34
From Distrowatch it appears that Buster/testing has a 4.9.82 kernel, which is not recent enough for a Ryzen 7 2700U. Am I wrong?
Reference: http://distrowatch.org/table.php?distribution=devuan
Use backports. Search for packages here. Also consider hanging out on irc freenode #devuan. We just discussed the kernel thing over there.
#1998 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » How to install Devuan Ceres without starting from ASCII? » 2019-04-12 19:43:18
@golinux: Thank you for the link. Just wondering why it is not advertised on the website.
Because it is a testing iso not a stable release for general use.
- What do you mean with "It is advised to never use the Debian repos directly. Could cause much grief at some point."?
Should I not use their ISOs?
All Debian packages are supplied by redirects through amprolla3 directly from the Debian repos. Anything that could break Devuan is filtered and blacklisted.
- Should I install mini.iso on a USB stick and boot from there?
Sure! If you're installing an Xfce DE you can get the beowulf theme pieces here and install them manually.
#1999 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan 2.0 ASCII Stable » 2019-04-12 18:27:03
Welcome StevenB!
#2000 Re: Installation » Migration problem: network » 2019-04-12 18:25:54
golinux wrote:crankypuss wrote:I've forgotten, was it stretch that introduced systemd? I've been falling back to jessie for years.
The first bits of systemd appeared in Wheezy.
LOL, wheezy is one of the versions i just deleted as a waste of space. I'm running Devuan ascii, with backups on Debian jessie and Ubuntu oneiric, none of them have systemd as i'm reading it. Ug like.
IIRC the bit was libsystemd0 not the full init.
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