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#1301 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can I use Debian multimedia? » 2017-07-18 22:29:01

<shameless self-promotion and back patting>  Pretty much everything you mentioned above, Vuu-do (maximal versions) will do out of the box including play DVD's. Don't know about blu-ray as I don't have a machine with a blu-ray optic drive to test with.

VLC
Handbrake
Asunder +lame
Winff (file conversion)
libdvdcss2
Exaile

All included. You can also rip radio streams through Exaile using the Streamripper backend (also included).

And this is all in jessie, so it's actually stable and well tested. And no deb-multimedia!

</shameless self-promotion and back patting>

#1303 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED]Package updates in ascii? » 2017-07-18 20:25:02

fungus wrote:

continued ...
I use pcmanfm in openbox and the only difference is that mountable volumes through the fm vanished.
I guess the gvfs process provide thunar with this ability (mounting and umounting volumes and drives, permanent and temp) and pcmanfm uses
that ability but does not have it on its own.  So in order to have this thunar must also be installed, or it came along back with gvfs.

Gui crap!  Now I understand what virtual file system means.

Sorry I didn't see this earlier. Yep, gvfs does a lot of mounting duty, adds a lot of functionality to Openbox especially.

#1304 Re: Off-topic » Is Blackbox still today a recommended or outdated WM ? » 2017-07-14 21:05:49

fungus wrote:

Good to find you all, first note here.

I was recently sold to the idea of trying i3, with claims of being able to do it all and with minimal resources.
It is very different, it comes with a good manual but it may take some time to get used to.  So keep a hardcopy of the manual next to the keyboard and a reading light, if you are like me and work in the dark with a dark desktop smile

I use the i3 screenlocker in my Openbox vuu-do installs, I really like it, lightweight and lightning-fast.  i3 has some neat stuff.

#1305 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-07-14 20:57:12

Max_B wrote:

thanks smile I installed it and currently am playing with conky.conf (and figthing with Lua syntax, but that's another matter). So far I've got only one problem, a font which make conky crash with a "floating point error" or the like, or maybe it's the font name (is a dash allowed in the name?)

As far as I know it's okay, have never had conky crash due to a font, so it's news to me. Seems like since it allows spaces that dashes should be fine?

#1306 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-07-10 19:48:03

Uploading updated versions of Openbox and Mate maximal versions now, not a lot has changed but Devuan pushed a kernel update along with libc and some others, seemed important enough to run some new images, plus I added the conky code I posted above, and added more info to release notes, dotted some i's and crossed some t's here and there.

#1307 Re: Off-topic » When you can't tell the difference between Windows and systemd » 2017-07-10 19:04:18

PeteGozz wrote:

Meanwhile...
In the real world.

https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/7/6/577

If this were a first-person shooter game, this is what we would call a headshot:

"....And yes, a large part of this may be that I no longer feel like I can
trust "init" to do the sane thing. You all presumably know why."

                   Linus

BOOM.

Rock on Devuan! anim_headbang.gif

#1308 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Slim and build settings » 2017-07-10 18:45:13

PeteGozz wrote:

So here is the state of slim as seen by me Mon July 20th 2017.

Time machine?

wink

#1309 DIY » Nasty local hacks, the definitive and not-official Devuan list » 2017-07-08 22:24:46

greenjeans
Replies: 4

Okay, been thinking about making this thread for a while. Got any local hacks you do post-install? You know, the not-pretty-or-sustainable-but-does-the-trick type of thing, the "oh-no-you-don't-force-me-into-this-crap" kind of thing that isn't solved by the delete-hammer alone?

I'll post one here and more as I think of them.

1. Hate Samba? (and you should). Don't share files with intentionally buggy Windoze machines? Don't want any of that crap on your machine but use GVFS so are stuck with libsmbclient and 20+ mb's of samba-libs and other assorted samba related depends?

gvfs-backends is the only real issue here, mounting/reading samba shares is one of the things gvfs is capable of doing, not something it HAS to do, it's one of the features but somebody decided to make it a dependency during packaging.

Hack it: go to /var/lib/dpkg/status and open that file as root for editing. Find the gvfs-backends entry (search function in text-editor is very helpful here, this is a LARGE file).  In the list of dependencies you will find libsmbclient, delete that entry only and change the "Version=" field of gvfs-backends to a higher number (currently on mine version is listed as 1.22.2-1, I changed only the last number to a 5). Save and close. Open Synaptic and refresh and if nothing else is using the samba libs they will be listed as "autoremoveable" by Synaptic. Now use the uninstall-hammer and enjoy linux without that buggy virus-port-of-entry samba crap.

#1310 Re: Off-topic » When you can't tell the difference between Windows and systemd » 2017-07-08 21:09:23

FOSSuser wrote:

I'm beginning to get the feeling that he, (Lennart Poettering), is secretly working for Microsoft, seems all his software has bugs that he calls features. sad

More like pissy Microsoft wannabe, but never good enough to make the cut to make the big bucks in Redmond or Cupertino. Gnome devs=same thing.

They despise people having any choices, want to further close the source and commercialize linux and give it unremoveable "branding", these people are the very antithesis of everything open-source stands for, and a clear and present danger to free software going forward.

#1312 Re: Documentation » Live-build tips » 2017-07-08 20:41:22

Ged wrote:
Ozi wrote:

.... given the live-sdk is the future?

Is it a given?  Why/why not?  What will become of live-build and its existing applications/users?  Is there a migration path?

What are the alternatives?  (Linux Live, Remastersys, ...)

Please discuss.  Rationally, if you can, please, ladies and gentlemen.  If this has been covered elsewhere (I did look) a pointer will suffice.

Suggested topics:

Pros and cons: stability, maintenance/maintainability, features/extensibility, ease of use/documentation/support, resources, licensing, user base, ...

Refracta-Snapshot is what I build with, it's perfect for my needs and how I do things, which is as an advanced user, not a developer. It's ultra-user friendly, a comfy GUI and just a few questions and you can roll your own.

It would be possible to do _most_ of what I do, with live-sdk if you were willing to invest the time to make an extremely lengthy and detailed build template....I told FSR I would give that a try at some point, but to be honest i'm a little daunted by it and not even sure I could get the level of detail that I get working the post-install system.

Once I have tweaked a system to the nth degree and am finally ready to run a snapshot, after that first run I have a template, so subsequent builds are super easy, load a template iso on a partition, update packages and make any changes desired, squash the results and boom, new iso.

It's not a "build" system like live-sdk is really, it's a tool for making copies, and requires a system already be in place to use it. But it's damned effective, and allows even novice users to experiment and create, I especially like that aspect, more people playing makes for a robust environment for innovation and development.

#1313 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-07-08 19:42:09

Max_B wrote:

Hi greenjeans, just a question about your desktop: what's the program displaying date/time and keyboard shortcuts I see on the desktop?

Sorry, I was out of pocket for a few days, I see Pekman got it covered though. wink

I like conky, but on mine I like a minimal conky, date/time and some shortcuts and that's about it.

Am about to squash some new isos and have added the ability for conky to display whatever my music program (Exaile) is currently playing and the artist's name, for anyone who wants to add that to their conkyrc, here's the basic code:

${if_running exaile}${font BankGothic Md BT:pixelsize=16}now playing :  ${execi 10 exaile --get-title}  –  ${execi 10 exaile --get-artist}$endif

Change font and size to suit. I have only gotten this to work with Exaile so far.

#1315 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Issues with Laptop Lid Suspend/Hibernate and Panel Plugins » 2017-06-30 22:31:08

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

I'm not sure what that "obscure" scripting attempts to do, but you really only need the following script as /etc/acpi/lid.sh:

#!/bin/bash

if [  "$3" = "close" ] ; then
     /usr/sbin/pm-suspend
fi

The program pm-suspend is from the pm-utils package.

Of course, if you want screen lock, the script needs some more, and it depends of which screen locking you are using.

Well that's a fix for laptop lid events, guess you would need some more code to be able choose hibernate or the screen locker you mentioned.

But unfortunately it doesn't address these power manager bugs. Are there any gui power managers available that don't have multiple broken features?

The mate one in particular is so bad it ought to be pulled until there's a version that actually does something.

#1316 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » caja automatically opens some thumbdrives but not others [SOLVED] » 2017-06-30 21:57:21

GNUser wrote:

Alas, just creating a new partition table was not enough.

The only way to get caja to start automatically opening previously-ignored sticks was dd or wipefs, followed by creation of new partition table and new partition through whatever method.

That's so bizarre. What kind of partition table was on the bad sticks to start with, ms-dos?

#1317 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Issues with Laptop Lid Suspend/Hibernate and Panel Plugins » 2017-06-30 21:38:13

I can confirm this is an issue using both XFCE power manager, and Mate power manager, also tried using XFCE pm in Openbox. No lid-triggered events to be had here.

The power icon is also static in Mate and won't update it's status during session, I suspect something in removed systemd components/actions in this case as it works in Debian, but I could be wrong about that.

Mate power manager does very little in fact these days as hibernate and suspend functions seem also to be broken and are grayed out in the gui, so it really doesn't do squat.

#1318 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » caja automatically opens some thumbdrives but not others [SOLVED] » 2017-06-30 21:25:27

Yay! Glad you guys fixed it, but before you go to all the below steps on any other drive that does this in the future, I was wondering if you had tried just creating a new partition table first before proceeding with formatting? Knowing gparted and thumbdrive weirdness i've experienced in the past, i'd say there was a good chance doing just that might have been what fixed it, not sure you needed to zero it out first.

GNUser wrote:

lazlo: Yes, running the two wipefs commands and then going into GParted to create the partition table and fat32 partition also works (converts a non-auto-opening thumbdrive to an auto-opening one). The wipefs commands are very fast, much better than waiting 30+ minutes for the original dd command.

Since I've bumped into this issue many times, here is a script that puts it all together: wipefs steps, new msdos partition table, creation of single partition as big as the device, formatting the partition to fat32, adding a label to the partition:

sudo umount /dev/sdb1   
sudo wipefs -a -f /dev/sdb1
sudo wipefs -a -f /dev/sdb
sudo parted /dev/sdb mklabel msdos &>/dev/null
sudo parted /dev/sdb mkpart primary 0% 100% &>/dev/null
while [ ! -e /dev/sdb1 ]; do sleep 1; done # because parted mkpart exits before it's done creating sdb1!
sleep 1
sudo mkfs.msdos -F 32 /dev/sdb1
sudo dosfslabel /dev/sdb1 "my_label"

EDIT: I'd try the targeted dd command as well, but at this point all of my "broken" thumbdrives have been fixed smile

WARNING: Before using the script above, make sure a) /dev/sdb is actually your thumbdrive (one way to check is with "sudo blkid"), and b) the thumbdrive contains no valuable data. If you have any doubt, don't run the script--it assumes these two things are true.

#1320 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » caja automatically opens some thumbdrives but not others [SOLVED] » 2017-06-29 20:46:45

Okay I just found another way to reproduce this.

If you run gparted and format the usb stick to something, but don't add any content to the disk before trying it, it will automount the stick but not open Caja. If you put any piece of content whatsoever on the stick, then it will auto-open as well as auto-mount.

Gnuser are you trying the stick fresh from re-formatting but with no content?

#1321 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » caja automatically opens some thumbdrives but not others [SOLVED] » 2017-06-29 20:33:14

GNUser wrote:

I'm sure that some subtle difference between a thumbdrive from factory vs. one formatted in GParted is to blame for this...

No sir. I literally have 8 different thumb drives with me right now, ALL have been formatted with gparted. Just for giggles I deleted everything on one and unformatted completely, after I did that it wouldn't even automount, much less open. I reformatted to ext3 with gparted, unplugged/plugged and it opened right up. I have probably done a couple hundred usb drives with gparted in the last ten years, trust me, it's not gparted.

#1322 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » caja automatically opens some thumbdrives but not others [SOLVED] » 2017-06-29 20:21:44

lazlo wrote:

Just a shot in the dark here, but could it be an artifact of removing the systemd dependencies?

lazlo

Nope. I'm running the exact same system. And just tested another Devuan Mate install, everything working correctly.

#1323 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » caja automatically opens some thumbdrives but not others [SOLVED] » 2017-06-29 20:06:51

hmmm, I can't figure it out, the only way I can even reproduce your issue is unchecking that box in preferences.

Maybe check /home/(user)/.config/mimeapps.list, I have this entry in mine:

inode/directory=caja-folder-handler.desktop

Maybe that will help?

#1324 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » caja automatically opens some thumbdrives but not others [SOLVED] » 2017-06-29 19:42:44

GNUser wrote:

Thanks, greenjeans. Caja's "Browse media when inserted" is already checked.

Maybe formatting in GParted causes the thumbdrive's x-content to change? How do I check its current x-content and, if applicable, change it to something that will continue to trigger Automount-open?

Can't be gparted, I use it all the time and have never had the issue. Your x-content in this case is simply the fat32 filesystem you put on the usb, if it mounts it you're fine, just need to auto-open.

Just for giggles, open caja as root, and make sure that box is checked for root user as well.

Mate is funny like that, i've had some glitches in the past where the system didn't want to honor the user's preferences because root preferences were different.

I'm using Mate right now and can confirm that unchecking that box stops auto-open on my machine, and re-checking it makes it work again.

Might be something you need to do in the mimeapps.list.

#1325 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Retention of packages, i never installed a printer ... » 2017-06-29 19:28:51

keos wrote:

Well, i wasn't  sure about it, there are many packages relater to 'printer' ... i removed somes of them,  till now the update is ok, i did my best ...

Did you ever figure this out?  Synaptic is pretty handy when trying to figure out what you do and don't need.

The system-config-printer stuff can definitely go, that's just a helper gui for configging printers. Once you uninstall that there will likely be other packages that pop up as "autoremoveable", you can uninstall those too. A search on "cups" will list everything cups-related and you can get rid of most if not all of that, search "printer drivers" and uninstall those too.

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