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#101 Re: Documentation » How to: Devuan 5 Daedalus an pipewire » 2024-01-23 11:26:03

Sounds very intelligent to me, Steve (although I never run pipewire).

#102 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] Quote Button » 2024-01-23 00:06:45

golinux wrote:

usrmerge ... I am staying in the safe harbor of Chimaera or Daedalus until the kinks get worked out and the dust settles

+1

#103 Re: Packaging for Devuan » expr from coreutils throws an error » 2024-01-22 12:10:16

$ grep ^[^#] /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus                  main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates          main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security         main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-proposed-updates main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-backports        main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/josm.list:deb https://josm.openstreetmap.de/apt/ alldist universe

#104 Re: Packaging for Devuan » expr from coreutils throws an error » 2024-01-22 11:01:44

kinmen wrote:

I wonder whether has anybody successfully installed php on Daedalus

Er, yes (though not for a website)

$ apt search php | fgrep -i installed

WARNING: apt does not have a stable CLI interface. Use with caution in scripts.

php-cli/stable,now 2:8.2+93 all [installed]
php-common/stable,now 2:93 all [installed,automatic]
php-mbstring/stable,now 2:8.2+93 all [installed]
php8.2-cli/stable,stable-security,now 8.2.7-1~deb12u1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
php8.2-common/stable,stable-security,now 8.2.7-1~deb12u1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
php8.2-mbstring/stable,stable-security,now 8.2.7-1~deb12u1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
php8.2-opcache/stable,stable-security,now 8.2.7-1~deb12u1 amd64 [installed,automatic]
php8.2-readline/stable,stable-security,now 8.2.7-1~deb12u1 amd64 [installed,automatic]

#105 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] software-properties-gtk not appeaing to execute » 2024-01-21 21:54:02

The process to change Debian repository choices is (from my recall) identical to that deployed with Devuan. I think that his problem lies elsewhere, rolfie.

#106 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] software-properties-gtk not appeaing to execute » 2024-01-21 00:52:01

Hi koala, welcome to Devuan.

I'm going to refer you to the command line from a terminal. The main complication may be that you may need to install and/or setup sudo. If so, how to do that is standard stuff for both Debian & Devuan.

Try the following to see your current repository setup:

$ grep ^[^#] /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus                  main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates          main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security         main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-proposed-updates main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-backports        main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/josm.list:deb https://josm.openstreetmap.de/apt/ alldist universe
$ la /etc/apt/sources.list
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2535 Aug 17 17:25 /etc/apt/sources.list

That will then inform you on which places in which file you may need to change. I hope that it goes without saying that most repository files require root to change them.

#107 Re: Installation » DropBox App Install » 2024-01-18 23:21:33

@boughtonp:
Thanks for rclone notice (yup, supports Dropbox natively). Looks like the kind of option I was looking for. Have downloaded & will be using it in anger soonish, soon as I get to grips with help.

man rclone wrote:

Rclone - syncs your files to cloud storage

Added Fri 19:
This morning I spotted a tit (small bird, not certain of specie) jumping around the branches of the large Cherry tree outside my bedroom window. Yesterday my near neighbour informed me that he had spotted blackbirds eating apples fallen onto a garden shed not visible from my windows. So, the future for the acre + birdsong looks more hopeful than I had previously thought.

Those birds all manage to fly across the Channel, so I guess that they should be tough enough to survive a few cold nights.

#108 Re: Installation » DropBox App Install » 2024-01-18 14:33:59

boughtonp wrote:

DropBox almost certainly still has a browser-based interface

You are correct. It does & that means that I can sync a dir quite easily by dropping it into the DB page. It then re-uploads the entire dir (2GB; even if only one file - or none - have been changed). Coming across the debian app for desktop was part of my search to avoid that.

It is my first time using a remote hearing for any purpose and my instinct is to rock their boat as little as possible. I've invested ridiculously large amounts of my time in instigating this case and will run along their train-tracks, thanks.

You will be indifferent to know that I got the suet/fat balls up for the birds last night and, so far, they have ignored it. It was so cold last night that they may all be dead again (in 2018 the Beast From the East killed every song-bird in the acre behind my house; only magpies & pidgeons survived; it is only in the last 2 years that some have visited again).

#109 Re: Installation » DropBox App Install » 2024-01-18 08:55:42

You are sounding a bit whiny there, Steve.

It's not a question of whose time is more valuable. The Court expects participants to use Dropbox - my first use, and not my decision. I thought that it may also be useful for others if Devuan becomes an option in addition to Debian & Ubuntu. I would love to get involved, and also in lots of other things as well. I just cannot, so put it out there. It's not a demand. It is a request (oh! horror!).

#110 Re: Installation » DropBox App Install » 2024-01-17 23:56:14

There was one feature only that had me concerned: would trying to install it pull in some of the systemD virus? It looks like I'm going to have to give it a miss 'til later.

@emanym: many thanks for taking a quick look.

I've got *very* little time available to me: Having got my head up inside of a CPV webpage (for remote hearings) & installing my very first webcam I'm trying to finish off a huge set of commentaries on dodgy ASV CCTV, whilst simultaneously setting up suet & fat-ball feeders to try to help local songbird migrants survive forthcoming -14℃ weather.

Sorry if my request that someone else consider connecting with DropBox & asking that they consider Devuan as another OS to align their Apps to was so outrageous.

#111 Installation » DropBox App Install » 2024-01-17 18:32:41

alexkemp
Replies: 14

DropBox has two Apps for users of Debian (deb8-deb11 + deb12). I do not dare install either since I am unaware of the systemD infestation that may attach.
Any chance of our admin asking for supply & info with DropBox?

https://www.dropbox.com/install

#112 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » nftables init script » 2024-01-12 10:18:38

@stultumanto, @quickfur:

In that case, why not copy the script-text here + location. (TIA)

#113 Re: Off-topic » Holy PnP: A Media Device that Loads & Works 1st Time without Config » 2024-01-11 16:02:00

aluma wrote:

Government services have enough to worry about without DDoS attacks.

Well, with 80 views in 24 hours that is, of course, a near certainty (if this not obviously irony, then consider that I am a mod at SFS and in mid-December the Stats Page reported 2m queries daily; now that gets close to a DDOS).

Thanks for the Berlios link. Reviewing my dmesg output I spotted that it was a UVC camera (have never come across that before):

[481614.064887] usb 1-1.3: Found UVC 1.00 device USB 2.0 Camera (1bcf:2cc9)

#114 Re: Off-topic » Holy PnP: A Media Device that Loads & Works 1st Time without Config » 2024-01-11 14:44:38

aluma wrote:

I don't know when v4l was included in the kernel

It turns out to be 2002. It does also include drivers as well as an API.

#115 Re: Off-topic » Holy PnP: A Media Device that Loads & Works 1st Time without Config » 2024-01-11 14:38:08

aluma wrote:

The v4l subdeck is included in the Linux kernel. Usually webcams use its driver

An API is not a driver.

In my reading I notice many mentions of laptops with builtin webcams. If one of those is supplied with Linux (unlikely, I would have thought) then it would come with a driver that would utilise the V4L API. Otherwise not.

The main problem with cheap devices for Linux is not the driver but the way that so much (so-called) hardware-processing is actually off-loaded to the local CPU rather than handled by the hardware. That is the reason for so much "non-free firmware" in the apt sources.list. The dirty secret that is not mentioned there is that this is actually 'non-free firmware-originally-designed-for-Windows'.

You can see some of what I'm talking about in this PDF about modems & DSPs ("Digital Signal Processing"). On Page 9.3 it states:

V.90 Modems wrote:

A simplified block diagram for a V.90 analog modem is shown in Figure 9.3. The diagram shows that the bulk of the signal processing is done digitally. Both the transmit and receive portions of the modem subject the digital signals to a number of DSP algorithms which can be efficiently run on modern processors.

(DSPs are also used in sound processing)

The point of that paragraph is that DSP's are supposed to be specialised hardware chips contained within the modem. But no - that is too expensive. So instead the modem contains a cheap EEPROM which loads external firmware, and that causes the modem to use the local laptop cpu to run the DSP algorithms. Now, in the 1990s when this was all first originated there was ONLY Windows firmware, and Linux & Mac & all other OS had to go hang themselves. Now, after 25 years, we do actually have some firmware grudgingly provided (but no code, so it is non-free). Also, all updates arrive at Windows first.

But, it seems that my web-cam actually contains all necessary hardware. Hooray!

#116 Re: Off-topic » Holy PnP: A Media Device that Loads & Works 1st Time without Config » 2024-01-11 10:37:03

Hi aluma.

It is simple enough. I've never used a webcam before (40+ years using a computer). Previous Linux reports on webcams are that they suck. I'm having to educate myself all about them. After your post I discovered that the V4L API is in the kernel (did not know that - which kernel was it introduced with?).

The point of the gov.uk site is that CVP will be the specific app that I will need to use for the court (no options), so I used it to make sure that both me & the hardware would function in those circumstances. It also tested the 'cam for me. Then afterwards I thought "Hang on. It may be UK-only" so put the caveats in. Another point is that this is all new for small-claims, so it may well be important to document for the future, and I thought that others may spot the ignorance of a court employee not thinking that perhaps someone may need more notice than a 4pm email.

#117 Re: Off-topic » Holy PnP: A Media Device that Loads & Works 1st Time without Config » 2024-01-11 08:15:36

Note #1:
Both the Amazon product link + img link in post#1 come from my browser history in buying this product. Please report if either fails for you so that I can search out generic links to replace them.

Note #2:
The gov.uk CVP page should be available for non-UK visitors. I'm less certain whether the try-it-out-live page linked on that page will work for non-UK folks. Do drop a post here stating whether either worked for you.

Note #3:
I came across Guvcview, which is a useful UVC-based utility to check a webcam which also has snapshot/record video buttons. It is available in the repository:

$ apt search Guvcview
Sorting... Done
Full Text Search... Done
guvcview/stable,now 2.0.8-2 amd64 [installed]
  GTK+ base UVC Viewer

libguvcview-2.1-2/stable,now 2.0.8-2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
  GTK+ base UVC Viewer - runtime

libguvcview-dev/stable 2.0.8-2 amd64
  GTK+ base UVC Viewer - development files

#118 Off-topic » Holy PnP: A Media Device that Loads & Works 1st Time without Config » 2024-01-10 21:51:42

alexkemp
Replies: 9

25 years ago with Windows I got used to being able to load hardware & have it work without too much bother; usually. Or at least, that is the bright memory of youth. With Linux I love it but, oh my! How often the tale of "only Window$ drivers available" and much wailing & gnashing of teeth in the Valley of the Trent. So, how pleasant to be able to deliver the tale of no-config necessary for, of all devices that normally fail, a video/audio web-camera. I give you: YIMONA Linux WebCam with Microphone (I bought it from Amazon and no, I have zero financial interest in promoting this to you):

YIMONA Linux WebCam

This is what happened when I plugged it in:

[481612.084437] usb 1-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 6 using ehci-pci
[481612.546534] usb 1-1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=1bcf, idProduct=2cc9, bcdDevice= 9.19
[481612.546556] usb 1-1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
[481612.546564] usb 1-1.3: Product: USB 2.0 Camera
[481612.546571] usb 1-1.3: Manufacturer: BC-230918-K
[481612.881352] usb 1-1.3: USB disconnect, device number 6
[481613.027528] mc: Linux media interface: v0.10
[481613.104459] usb 1-1.3: new high-speed USB device number 7 using ehci-pci
[481613.225308] videodev: Linux video capture interface: v2.00
[481613.334323] usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio
[481613.388104] usbcore: registered new interface driver uvcvideo
[481613.432439] usb 1-1.3: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[481613.838737] usb 1-1.3: New USB device found, idVendor=1bcf, idProduct=2cc9, bcdDevice= 9.19
[481613.838754] usb 1-1.3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0
[481613.838761] usb 1-1.3: Product: USB 2.0 Camera
[481613.838766] usb 1-1.3: Manufacturer: BC-230918-K
[481614.064887] usb 1-1.3: Found UVC 1.00 device USB 2.0 Camera (1bcf:2cc9)
[481614.113270] input: USB 2.0 Camera: USB 2.0 Camera as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/usb1/1-1/1-1.3/1-1.3:1.0/input/input11
[481614.167675] usb 1-1.3: Warning! Unlikely big volume range (=4096), cval->res is probably wrong.
[481614.167686] usb 1-1.3: [5] FU [Mic Capture Volume] ch = 1, val = 0/4096/1

I've initiated a small-claim in the courts and without warning was posted a link for a remote hearing the next day. I was asked to login at 10am & read the email at 2pm that day (it was posted at 4pm the previous day). I had zero hardware for a remote hearing, and hence the order.

The Courts & Tribunals service has a page How to join Cloud Video Platform (CVP) for a video hearing (the link to test your equipment is at the bottom of that page; [later update]: please refer to note#2 in post#2 if you are non-UK).

Everything worked first time, zero config required. Wow! I do already have V4L2 installed (video for Linux), and that may be a requirement, I do not know.

It states Chrome as a requirement. I used Chromium under Daedalus.

I'm now waiting for a replacement Hearing date.

Hope that was interesting.

#119 Re: News & Announcements » The dev1galaxy.org (almost) No Code of Conduct » 2024-01-09 15:22:32

I like boughtonp's 2nd one better. For some reason "adult" reads sour in my eyes. Perhaps it's because of terms such as "adult films".

#120 Re: News & Announcements » The dev1galaxy.org (almost) No Code of Conduct » 2024-01-09 10:57:04

Perhaps

Responsible behaviour based on a foundation of mutual respect is expected from visitors to this forum.

#121 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found » 2024-01-09 10:46:08

Your sources differ slightly from what is advised (missing non-free). I have zero idea how important that may be, but for the record (and thanks for the inxi snippet):

$ head -5 /etc/apt/sources.list
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus                  main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates          main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security         main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-proposed-updates main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-backports        main non-free-firmware non-free contrib

If you are *really* paranoid, don't try this one:

$ grep ^[^#] /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus                  main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-updates          main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-security         main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-proposed-updates main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list:deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged daedalus-backports        main non-free-firmware non-free contrib
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/josm.list:deb https://josm.openstreetmap.de/apt/ alldist universe

#122 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found » 2024-01-08 09:37:42

Aliz24 wrote:

$ inxi -b
Gimp did not appear in my Menu at all

In that case your sources.list is broken.

What's your problem with using neofetch or inxi?

#123 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found » 2024-01-08 00:41:38

Here's an alternative information gatherer; also operated from a terminal; show results from one of these & others will understand better your system & be able to give better help & advice:

$ inxi -b
System:
  Host: ng3 Kernel: 6.1.0-17-amd64 arch: x86_64 bits: 64 Desktop: Xfce
    v: 4.18.1 Distro: Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus)
Machine:
  Type: Desktop System: LENOVO product: 90BJ008CUK v: Lenovo H30-05
    serial: <superuser required>
  Mobo: LENOVO model: N/A v: SDK0J40700 WIN serial: <superuser required>
    UEFI: LENOVO v: O1WKT25AUS date: 10/29/2015
CPU:
  Info: quad core AMD A8-7410 APU with AMD Radeon R5 Graphics [MCP]
    speed (MHz): avg: 999 min/max: 1000/2200
Graphics:
  Device-1: AMD Mullins [Radeon R4/R5 Graphics] driver: radeon v: kernel
  Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 driver: X: loaded: radeon
    unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa dri: radeonsi gpu: radeon
    resolution: 1366x768~60Hz
  API: OpenGL v: 4.5 Mesa 22.3.6 renderer: KABINI ( LLVM 15.0.6 DRM 2.50
    6.1.0-17-amd64)
Network:
  Device-1: Qualcomm Atheros QCA9565 / AR9565 Wireless Network Adapter
    driver: ath9k
  Device-2: Realtek RTL810xE PCI Express Fast Ethernet driver: r8169
Drives:
  Local Storage: total: 931.51 GiB used: 785.39 GiB (84.3%)
Info:
  Processes: 200 Uptime: 3d 13h 58m Memory: 7.18 GiB used: 2.89 GiB (40.2%)
  Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.26

#124 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Software MGR Doesn't Update Software & Software Isn't Found » 2024-01-07 21:40:57

What exactly is this "Software Manager" that you are talking about? There are so many variations for Daedalus that it is almost impossible to know what you are talking about unless you specify things exactly. Here is a way for you to do some of that:

Open a terminal & type the following (you may need to do a $ sudo apt install neofetch first) (the '$' assumes that you are using a non-root terminal; if sudo is not installed on your system and/or you do not know how to use it, you will need to become root to install anything since all such operations require you to be root). Copy the results & post them in a [ code ] block here:

$ neofetch
   ..,,;;;::;,..                   alexk@ng3 
           `':ddd;:,.              --------- 
                 `'dPPd:,.         OS: Devuan GNU/Linux 5 (daedalus) x86_64 
                     `:b$$b`.      Model: 90BJ008CUK Lenovo H30-05 
                        'P$$$d`    Kernel: 6.1.0-17-amd64 
                         .$$$$$`   Uptime: 3 days, 10 hours, 49 mins 
                         ;$$$$$P   Packages: 3068 (dpkg) 
                      .:P$$$$$$`   Shell: bash 5.2.15 
                  .,:b$$$$$$$;'    Resolution: 1366x768 
             .,:dP$$$$$$$$b:'      DE: Xfce 4.18 
      .,:;db$$$$$$$$$$Pd'`         WM: Xfwm4 
 ,db$$$$$$$$$$$$$$b:'`             WM Theme: Default 
:$$$$$$$$$$$$b:'`                  Theme: Clearlooks-Phenix-Sapphire [GTK2] 
 `$$$$$bd:''`                      Icons: oxygen [GTK2] 
   `'''`                           Terminal: xfce4-terminal 
                                   Terminal Font: Monospace 12 
                                   CPU: AMD A8-7410 APU with AMD Radeon R5 Graphics (4) @ 2.200GHz 
                                   GPU: AMD ATI Radeon R4/R5 Graphics 
                                   Memory: 2542MiB / 7356MiB

#125 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [Solved] xarchiver 0.5.4.14 issue » 2024-01-06 16:36:37

What's wrong with 7z ('7-Zip') (Website / Wiki)? Teeny tiny and with the best compression on the 'net. Downside is that it does not do any encryption, nor even store Linux file attributes. What you have to do is store as "file.tar.7z" (like gzip, but a separate tar operation, then 7-zip it). Y'know, small apps that each do one thing, chained together. The Linux way.

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