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#101 Re: Off-topic » Why don't we just fork systemd and remove unneccessary bloat? » 2022-04-16 21:49:17

Even if it could be "fully removed" from a Debian system and replaced with an init of your choosing, that ship has sailed a long time ago...

#102 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] scid phalanx or toga not found » 2022-04-16 21:45:35

Which Devuan version are you experiencing problems in? Are the following packages installed?
libtcl8.6 libtk8.6 phalanx scid scid-data tcl tcl8.6 tk tk8.6 toga2

#103 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Audacity and Musescore Spyware problem » 2021-07-16 14:34:59

I had a full response typed up, but erased it at the last minute because I'd be wasting my time.

Moderators, feel free to delete all the posts I've made including the replies to them. I will be stepping out gracefully from this forum. Cheers.

#104 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Audacity and Musescore Spyware problem » 2021-07-14 03:01:48

zapper wrote:

If your laughing at it, its because you are antisocial probably... or you don't know the news of sneedacity and their 4chan bs trying to intimidate cookie engineer.

Yup, and I'm laughing at it more and more with each passing day. I only feel sorry for the gullible fools who buy into outright lies and deception.

zapper wrote:

Besides, you do realize that the trolls at sneedacity threatened cookie engineer and his family right?

There is no evidence of this, as I said already. Do you know what schizophrenia is? He could also be staging all this "drama" all along. Anyone can write numbers on sticky notes and make a house look like there was a murder. I've seen this time and time again on the Internet. Nothing changes.

zapper wrote:

Yeah... I would stop for that reason above alone.

Feel free to. As for myself, I'll keep calling a spade a spade. Sneedacity has barely been around for two weeks and is already proving to be the best thing since sliced bread. Even the Audacium developers admitted in an IRC conversation to borrowing code from Sneedacity for a commit. If Sneedacity wasn't a serious project, then why even acknowledge their existence? That's how I know Sneedacity is the true winner. Give it up.

zapper wrote:

EDIT: After seeing the commens you just posted, I realize I might have been right the first time.

Well, with a signature like that, I'm surprised you don't spend more time on the Antix forums. That's more your crowd, I reckon. Devuan has no politics (left or right).

#105 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Audacity and Musescore Spyware problem » 2021-07-09 17:01:30

steve_v wrote:

Well, you do you and all that. I'll take sneedacity seriously when the volume of functional, constructive commits exceeds that of asinine juvenile memeing, "easter eggs", and changing the names of anything and everything to be as offensive as possible.
That kind of behaviour might fly on the 'chans, but it's a lousy way to run a software project.

It now has XDG support, which is essential from a technical point of view. I don't have a problem with people on the Internet having a sense of humor while making a robust piece of software to go along with it. Better than being plain and boring, which is unfortunately the issue with a lot of open-source software these days.

#106 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Audacity and Musescore Spyware problem » 2021-07-08 15:02:41

steve_v wrote:

Personally I suggest waiting until the 4chan-powered clown-car pulls all the way out of the station before labelling anything "official".
While I do find both the name and the ongoing flamewar(s) somewhat amusing, right now picking out the competent developers from the trolls and small children is an exercise in futility. Time alone will tell which fork is in it for the long-game.

Nah, I think it's off to a solid start. Forks usually take a while to get the hang of, having just been launched. Also, they have an IRC channel that's gaining traction.

steve_v wrote:

Arguing over a name is indeed funny, the doxxing and real-world harassment it lead to is not.

Neither actually happened. I looked into the archives and screenshots myself, and he's clearly getting off on the attention he's been receiving. He's being put on blast for his shady online comments (along with writing slurs himself). His faux victimhood ironically makes him more likely to do the creepy stalking than a typical anon. 4chan's only mistake is giving him said attention. He'd be just another lonely GitHub maintainer without their "harassment".

#107 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Audacity and Musescore Spyware problem » 2021-07-07 15:27:54

Audacity has been officially forked. Its new name is Sneedacity (DEB builds here). big_smile

I'm also laughing my ass off at that "Cookie Engineer" kook crying over a poll (because of the name being picked). Clown World at it again. lol

#108 Re: Installation » WineHQ » 2021-05-02 07:19:42

You install their packages just as if you would on Debian. Go to this page and carefully follow the instructions. The only two repositories available are Buster (Beowulf) and Bullseye (Chimaera). Select the one that's analogous to your distro version. Note that you'll need the package libfaudio0 first (if your repository doesn't have it, get it from here).

sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
wget -nc https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/winehq.key
sudo apt-key add winehq.key

Add either of these to your /etc/apt/sources.list:

deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ buster main
deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ bullseye main

You have to choose one of the three WineHQ branches. You'll want the stable branch just to be safe, but here are your options:

sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-stable
sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-devel
sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-staging

If you run into any dependency faults, install them again and remove whatever might be conflicting with the installs.

#109 Re: Devuan » As Debian 11 moves closer to Devuan. Is there any reason to stay on De » 2021-05-01 12:47:56

Centralization is bad.

Also, since we've been getting GNU/Linux Mint refugees (myself included), this can influence Devuan's development as there will be more potential beta testers, packagers, and forum regulars who can share their wealth of knowledge. I like it better that way than going big with corporate sponsorships (e.g. Red Hat, Canonical, Microsoft, Intel, HP).

#110 Re: Devuan » Why are systemd files present in Devuan? » 2021-03-01 12:32:15

It's the same as with Ubuntu being an "operating system", despite being a (piss poor) Debian fork. wink

I mean, 99.9% of the time, it's all the same junk. Just different package manager (or lack thereof), desktop environment (or lack thereof), window manager (or lack thereof), and/or configuration files. You can always repackage it anyway you'd like, but it's still GNU/Linux (or either GNU/Linux-libre or GNU/Hurd, if all hope is lost).

#111 Re: Devuan » Why are systemd files present in Devuan? » 2021-02-28 20:32:43

Debian is without a doubt a distro. Technically speaking, GNU is the operating system that nearly all of the distros are produced from. We just call it "Linux" because it's more conventional, despite it fundamentally being nothing more than a kernel.

#112 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan Beowulf 3.1.0 point release » 2021-02-25 05:40:07

Nice to see the installer lets you choose a different init now. Congrats!

#113 Re: Freedom Hacks » Mixing Devuan Ceres with Siduction? » 2021-02-25 05:38:51

Fair enough. I actually tested Siduction on a virtual machine and carefully changed the repositories over to Devuan. There were too many sticky spots when trying to remove Systemd and install Runit or a different init, as their exclusive repositories were still dependent on Systemd to some extent.

I can also see your point that simply removing or installing packages won't cut it. Configuration files have a lot to do with how a system operates.

Funny enough, all my Devuan Ceres systems have specific PPAs (for packages not found in the official repositories, such as Otter Browser and Strawberry) and run just fine. A few hiccups at first, but applying the fixes panned things out. i wouldn't say this is a "FrankenDevuan", as I'm only using the development branches in my repositories. It would've been the case for mixing stable with unstable (or maybe even backports).

#115 Re: Devuan » As Debian 11 moves closer to Devuan. Is there any reason to stay on De » 2021-02-25 05:32:06

Even so, no reason for me to stop using Devuan. You can't always trust Debian today with their upstream decisions, because you know they're going to fuck something up tomorrow. They're still too heavily influenced by Red Hat, Canonical, and GNOME garbage, and direct pushers of Wayland. Just because you can change your init this time around doesn't mean they're not corrupt anymore. It's a deception.

Devuan is more than just another "Systemd protest" distro. It actually aims for KISS philosophy as much as possible without the pretentious "minimalism" crap. It's everything that Debian should have been for the longest time. The fact that a fork had this much influence says a lot.

#116 Freedom Hacks » Mixing Devuan Ceres with Siduction? » 2021-02-18 15:16:13

brocashelm
Replies: 3

I recently became aware of Siduction, which is essentially Debian Sid shipped with additional repositories meant to complement its stability. Since I already use Devuan Ceres, I was wondering what it would be like to use Siduction's exclusive repositories. There are extra settings for MATE, Xfce, LXQt, and Cinnamon desktops, as well as Siduction defaults for Apt. Another plus is you can get slightly newer kernels (current version is linux-headers-5.10.17-towo.1-siduction-amd64) than Devuan or Debian (if I recall correctly).

Finally, here are Siduction's official repositories, if anyone is curious about experimenting (their keyring package is siduction-archive-keyring):

deb http://packages.siduction.org/extra unstable main
deb http://packages.siduction.org/fixes unstable main contrib non-free

I know it's a distro that ships with Systemd (because of Debian upstream), but I don't believe that these two repositories depend on it. Anyone with more experience using the distro is more than welcome to set the facts straight.

#117 Re: Off-topic » mozilla, we need more deplatforming... » 2021-01-11 11:28:34

Shit like this is why I stopped coming back.

#118 Re: Devuan » Will Devuan ever stop being based on Debian? » 2020-10-31 09:57:38

Devuan's reason for existing has to do with Debian making retarded decisions on its users' behalf. If Systemd was an optional install and essential packages didn't depend on it, then all would have been well, but nope...

And, I think that's all Devuan needs to be: an actively maintained Debian without Systemd.

Why should it try to be anything else? I don't like most distros that are "designed" like Christmas lights and try to "reinvent the wheel" of Unix-like OSes. Let the individual decide how his or her system should be configured.

#119 Re: Devuan Derivatives » dwm on Miyo (Devuan Ceres- rolling) » 2020-10-30 20:21:44

manyroads wrote:

I do like breaking things. smile

I did decide to do yet another reinstall of Miyo.  Got the network thing hammered into place only to discover Devuan repos would not sync.  So... I just decided that Ceres/Rolling is probably not reliable enough for me. I do really like Miyo, though.

and now for something really different, I am off to play with Void some.  wink

Sync problems sometimes happen. I recommend retrying a few more times. I usually succeed after the second or third attempt. Also, Ceres is VERY stable on my machines, and I have not returned to Beowulf or Chimaera ever since. The few instances of breakage I've experienced have been mild at worst. You just have to use common sense. smile

#120 Re: Off-topic » Choose your browser carefully » 2020-10-26 13:03:32

Palemoon is also sometimes recommended by people as a privacy respecting browser, but Palemoon is not even promoted as a privacy respecting browser so I don't know where that comes from. Palemoon also "phones home" and it also connects to Google every time it is started up just like Chromium.

This mitigation guide resolves the above problems (i.e. "phoning home" and contacting Google). There's also a fork with placeholder title Web Browser that corrects much of Pale Moon's mistakes (e.g. automatic updates, add-on blacklists).

#121 Re: Devuan » Devuan, maybe not for every one but most! » 2020-10-17 11:45:56

I think when it comes to the anti-Systemd crowd, most tend to gravitate towards Artix GNU/Linux or any other non-LTS distro. Devuan still serves a purpose for Debian and Ubuntu refugees, but I can see why some people aren't too fond of APT and its tendency to break dependencies, when Pacman can work around that sort of thing.

As long as Debian continues to make retarded decisions "on behalf" of its users, people will continue to recommend Devuan and just about every other downstream distro that won't put up with their nonsense.

#122 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED (sorta)]Fat xfce activity bars » 2020-09-30 14:12:38

Does FluxBB support image attachments? That would make life a lot easier for people asking for or receiving support.

#123 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » (core2duo workstation) NVIDIA Quadro FX 770 m - devuan reasonable? » 2020-09-26 23:31:02

I have Devuan installed on a very old laptop from the Pentium M era. Works smoothly for its age, and it's been all over the place.

#124 Re: Other Issues » Beowulf: No updates available via apt? » 2020-09-26 15:56:34

We're at a point where you can use Sid without worrying about something catastrophic underway, and even a bug or two could be patched up instantly. I think this argument would have been applicable ten years ago when GNU/Linux wasn't quite there yet with desktop adoption. It's a lot better now.

Still, if you're just looking to update as much as you can at least once a week, then expanding your repositories or moving over to a development branch would be ideal. Otherwise, if everything else looks fine, then why fix what isn't broken? That's the whole point of stable releases.

#125 Re: Other Issues » Beowulf: No updates available via apt? » 2020-09-26 10:32:18

It's likely your systems don't need any updates for Beowulf right this moment. You could try adding beowulf-proposed-updates and/or beowulf-backports to your repositories and see what updates are readily available. It's the safer alternative to pulling in packages from Chimaera or Ceres.

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