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#1151 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-17 16:22:40
I have discovered a couple of issues with the Miyo-XTRA release...
1. The menu of the LXPanel doesn't populate applications installed after installation of the system (the openbox menu and Xfce panel's menu does).
2. Some applications can't be added to Plank.
Check the Wiki on Sourceforge for fixes (?) for these issues. If someone knows a better fix, please let it be known here on the forum.
#1152 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-17 13:11:54
Okay...the Miyo-XTRA releases are uploaded to Sourceforge now.
The only difference between the latest release of MiyoLinux and Miyo-XTRA is that XTRA has "extra" panels to choose from.
1. Tint2
2. LXPanel
3. Xfce4 Panel
4. Plank
Panels can be switched via the menu...
Miyo Accessories > Panel Switcher
No fancy GUI; it's all done through the menu. After all...it's Openbox! 
Why have multiple panels? Because sometimes it's just stinkin' fun to change things around. 
Oh...and I did add the ability to turn touchpads "off while typing" to the Miyo Tools (accidentally left that option out of the tools in the original release) 
Miyo Accessories > Miyo Tools > Off while typing
Okay, I think my work is done for now...I hope. Time to sit back, relax, and ponder all of the "I should've done this, or I should've done that". If I had a man-cave, I'd go there, but I don't have one. Geesh...I don't even have a man-grotto. LOL!
I hope Miyo does well for anyone who tries it. Many thanks again to Devuan, fsmithred, and greenjeans.
#1153 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-16 20:54:06
Docky is fun but I have gotten it to freeze up on me a couple of times (too many configuration changes all at once ?).
Another low resource robust simple dock is plank.
I've never used Docky before (that I can recall). Unfortunately, it froze up with me too. I left the computer on over night, and when I got on it this morning, Docky was frozen. So...it wasn't an issue of too many configuration changes in my situation.
Gonna scrap Docky for that reason and replace it with Plank. I have used Plank in the past and can't remember having any issues with it.
#1154 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-16 03:04:41
MiyoLinux wrote:Thank you for giving it a spin! Since I'm the only tester for Miyo, I'm interested in what you find. Just a word of possible advice...
Unfortunately it didn't run. It booted ok and went to desktop, then I right clicked and that was it, like the previous edition. It may be some old hardware incompatibility.
What I am going to try next is instal miyo into a usb stick and boot from that as a real non-live installation so then I can inspect the logs.
Devuan Jessie and openbox/lightdm is already installed in the same machine by transforming a Debian wheezy into devuan jessie.
Apart from being understandably slow with the desktop it works.You are not the only Miyo tester, there must be more among the hundreds downloading the image.
If I didn't find it so amazing I would not bother testing it. Plus my ascii installation in my work pc is Miyo with some additions.
Aw man...sorry to hear that! I wonder how much the RAM may play a part? On my 32 bit machine, if I disable PCManFM from controlling the desktop (and enable Nitrogen for wallpapers), it boots up at around 85-90 MBs of RAM. Still, that can only happen AFTER booting into the desktop and changing it.
I'm in the middle of testing my latest miyo-ostrosity.
So far, everything is working great. I'm calling it Miyo-XTRA. No...there aren't any "extra" applications. Here's a screenshot of what the "extra" is. I wanted to include this in the latest release, but I figured I was pushing the envelope too far by including desktop icons. LOL!
So, I've made this as a separate release.. Unless I find something wrong, I hope to upload them to Sourceforge within the next 24 hours.
A quick glimpse at Miyo-XTRA...(click to enlarge)...
#1155 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Advice needed from non-US users regarding keyboard layouts » 2017-08-16 02:49:21
> 3. Anonymous Proxy (whatever that means)
This may be some VPN and/or Tor downloads? Perhaps china or Iran or something like that.
> Having a US keyboard is a nuisance for us Brits, but not insurmountable, just have to poke
> around to see where keys have been put, most annoying are @ | ~ #I myself use the german keyboard layout but write almost exclusive in english all day, give or
take; about 80% of my words typed in are english.I'd wish that this distinction would not exist though... US keyboard or UK keyboard or the
different spelling. I was raised with UK english and grew up, sort of, with Monty Python so
the UK lifestyle is closer, but the US really overshadows most presence on the WWW. Just
take something simple like "color" in CSS, there is no alias called "colour" so I have to
use the US spelling.Or take youtube videos - many more from the USA than from the
UK.In the long run, though, I'd really really really wish that the UK and US could unify and agree
on ONE system to rule them all. So to simplfiy everything!It won't happen because of this though:
Thanks for the input shevy! The latest Miyo releases have US, GB, and DE (Germany) pre-set to aid non-US users. Instructions are included for anyone who may want to use a different layout other than those three.
#1156 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-15 02:04:30
MiyoLinux wrote:LOL! You guys crack me up!
I consider greenjeans my brother-in-arms...and I am in no way competing with him. He'd blow me away if I were!
Thanks! But you have that backwards, there wouldn't be a Vuu-do if there wasn't a Miyo, i'm happy being number two as long as I don't have to try harder.
MiyoLinux wrote:and thanks to greenjeans for being such an inspiration.
This also, you have backwards.
All that being said... i'm afraid now we need to talk about the blasphemy of running desktop icons in Openbox.....
lol!
gj, friend...you just don't realize how much of an inspiration you are. I can feel your excitement in your projects.
As far as icons on the desktop...somebody had to do it. LOLOLOL! 
I saw it as just another way to hopefully get more people interested in Openbox. To me, it's the perfect DE...or lack thereof.
I just finished my day playing with the latest 32bit Miyo, amazing stuff. It run
like a champ on a 64bit system. Tomorrow I may get a chance to play with
it on real 32bit celeron with just enough ram to load the keyboard firmware smile
The real test.
So I'm not the only one who runs 32bit on 64bit systems?
Thank you for giving it a spin! Since I'm the only tester for Miyo, I'm interested in what you find. Just a word of possible advice...
If you disable PCManFM's control over the desktop in the Autostart file, it will save you about +/- 30 MBs of RAM usage...just be sure to enable Nitrogen in the autostart file too so that it will handle the wallpapers.
The upcoming secondary release will be available soon...I hope. Then users can choose from this most recent release or the new one. The new one is just something I'm doing for fun...'cause I'm stinkin' just that way. LOLOLOL!
#1157 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-14 00:48:58
....& the competition is hotting up.....
Vuu-Do has got conky.....
....... & now MIYO has got desktop icons.....
what will we see next, folks....
I know, they started from minimalism with openbox and they are competing with plasma
LOL! You guys crack me up!
I consider greenjeans my brother-in-arms...and I am in no way competing with him. He'd blow me away if I were!
fungus...you want to know what's strange? I've built some KDE Plasma desktops lately...very bare-bones but fully functional...and the resource usage is WAY less than you'd expect...we're talking less than Lubuntu. If Devuan ever attacks Plasma, I'd like to get my hands on it and Miyo it.
With that said, I am currently working on a "Blind Squirrel" release though. After I mentioned that there should be a distro named "Blind Squirrel Linux" recently, I haven't been able to get it out of my mind...so I'm Miyoing it. Same Miyo as the most recent release, but it will offer users a few extra choices...that shan't be named until it's released. LOL!
#1158 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-12 19:34:39
I meant to add...
While allowing PCManFM to control the desktop does offer benefits, at the same time, it uses about 30 - 35 more MBs of RAM than just the normal Openbox desktop. So, if that is important to you (it is to me), then disable PCManFM's control over the desktop in the autostart file...and don't forget to enable nitrogen to handle your wallpapers.
#1159 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-12 18:43:18
https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/106/
Vuu-Do is the next victim
Wow...thanks fungus.
#1160 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-12 16:48:46
The new MiyoLinux releases are ready if anyone is interested in trying them out.
Here's a screenshot of the desktop in the live session (click to enlarge)
Here's a quick rundown of what has changed with this release...
MiyoLinux 2017 Release Notes
PLEASE NOTE: THERE ARE NO VIRTUALBOX GUEST ADDITIONS INCLUDED IN MIYOLINUX.
Live User Information:
Username = miyolinux
Password = miyo
Root password= miyo
CHANGES IN THIS RELEASE
1. PCManFM is controlling the desktop which allows for desktop icons and a few other benefits that may help people new to Openbox (this can easily be changed in the autostart file for a more classic Openbox experience).
2. The Update Notifier isn't installed, but it is available to be installed.
3. Added the jessie-backports repository, but it's not activated out of the box.
4. Added gxkb (a keyboard layout switcher).
5. Fixed that pesky Mouse wheel scrolling through desktops.
6. Added the ability to update icons in sub-menus.
7. Added Faenza icons.
8. Included a copy of the Obmenu-Generator .deb package.
9. DID NOT include a web browser.
10. Added much more wireless firmware.
11. Enabled Number Lock at system start-up (can be disabled in the autostart file).
12. Added a few "convenience" tools.
More information regarding each one is given in the Release Notes.
Other than those changes, Miyo is still Miyo.
...and many thanks to Devuan and fsmithred...and thanks to greenjeans for being such an inspiration.
#1161 Re: Devuan » Stretch is coming, Devuan status backported or up to date packages » 2017-08-10 03:43:20
Great...all this latest work on Miyo, and Ascii is on the horizon. LOLOLOLOL!!!
I need to subscribe to something...just don't know what to subscribe to!
#1162 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-10 03:27:09
Got sidetracked by a friend in Britain who asked me to make him a portable OS with a distro that shan't be named. LOL! Finished that up this evening, and then was able to put the finishing touches on the Miyo 64 bit (I hope).
My goal is to have the new releases uploaded and available for users to download this weekend...either Saturday or Sunday. I'm in the process of testing the 64 bit version now.
I can't say enough about fsmithred's work with the Refracta tools...I'm absolutely amazed and in awe every time I use them.
#1163 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Vuu-do Linux! *New Openbox-64 iso's (1.0.7) up 2-02-18*!! » 2017-08-09 22:41:28
#1164 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-09 21:18:01
MiyoLinux wrote:Teaser!
Miyo is still Miyo...but there's a little more than meets the eye.
Click to enlarge...
Sweet, I like what you did with the wallpaper!
I like the flag icon too in the tray, what's it do?
Thanks greenjeans. That means a lot coming from you.
The flag is the keyboard layout switcher.
#1165 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-09 15:15:41
Hey Miyo,
Look forward to next release:)
Thanks darry1966. The 32 bit is finished. I hope to have the 64 bit finished soon...if all goes well.
#1166 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-09 01:51:21
Teaser!
Miyo is still Miyo...but there's a little more than meets the eye.
Click to enlarge...
#1167 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Where are the refracta scripts? » 2017-08-08 03:58:17
MiyoLinux wrote:I'm working on new releases
Awesome news! Can't wait to see 'em, was playing with 32 bit Miyo all day yesterday.
MiyoLinux wrote:One of these days, I hope to find time to build it with the latest version though and package it. For now though, the present version still works great on Jessie, Ascii, and Ceres...apart from having to reinstall it when upgrading from one to the next.
Been testing the new .99 version of the obmenu-generator script for a week or so, seems to function perfectly, still have not tested to see if it survives the ascii upgrade though.
It'll have a bit of a twist on Openbox.
Hopefully, it will help folks new to Openbox adapt with the default desktop, but experienced users who want a "classic Openbox" experience can easily change it. That's all I'm gonna stinkin' say. LOL!
#1168 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Where are the refracta scripts? » 2017-08-06 22:15:55
Well, obmenu-generator was never in the repos. I installed it from a .deb when I built Miyo.
One of these days, I hope to find time to build it with the latest version though and package it. For now though, the present version still works great on Jessie, Ascii, and Ceres...apart from having to reinstall it when upgrading from one to the next.
I am including a copy of the obmenu-generator .deb (in the upcoming releases) so that users will have it handy if they do upgrade.
Thanks for the kind words about Miyo, but they're undeserved.
#1169 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-06 21:58:22
Hmmm...not sure off the top of my head...gvfs maybe?
#1170 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-06 20:54:25
I found out that gawk was not installed in miyo, but I have no idea of how essential it is.
I did some checking on gawk.
From the website...
If you are like many computer users, you would frequently like to make changes in various text files wherever certain patterns appear, or extract data from parts of certain lines while discarding the rest. To write a program to do this in a language such as C or Pascal is a time-consuming inconvenience that may take many lines of code. The job is easy with awk, especially the GNU implementation: gawk.
The awk utility interprets a special-purpose programming language that makes it possible to handle simple data-reformatting jobs with just a few lines of code.
#1171 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2017-08-06 18:39:08
I really enjoy MiyoLinux but I had to hack a bit.
It is amazing how small the image is and how much it has packed in there. I have seen images with 2wice the size which I spend an hour throwing stuff away and installing what I really need. RAM in openbox is unreal (Devuan and Miyo deserve credit). JWM which I was unaware of till recently has nothing compared to the functionality of Miyo and Vuu-do too.
In terms of functionality the only thing missing was ralink-firmware which I needed to go online with my wifi. Not knowing what is missing I copied the whole firmware folder from Devuan to Miyo, and POP it came on. It seems that it existed in Vuu-Do as I went online with live before installation and I was pleasantly surprised that the wifi configuration transferred to the installation.In terms of aesthetics I dislike the icons, but not really on aesthetics but because I will have to teach my brain all over again which icon is which. So I'd rather stick to boring than having to learn all over something of no value. Yes, they look better, but I have to hover over a whole bunch to see where the one I need is. It may be a good thing as I eventually just skipped the icon thing and just typed the command on the terminal.
While the forum was down I was trying to find out where to get refracta. So I copied all installed files from miyo to my basic devuan install and checked the dependencies to make sure I have them all. I found out that gawk was not installed in miyo, but I have no idea of how essential it is.
You might want to check it.
I am playing around with refracta trying to come up with my own m.i.y.o. edition of LXDE on ceres
I now have a miyo on ascii and a devuan on ceres, following changes, development, and stability.
Thanks for trying Miyo out. I'm working on new releases now, and more wireless firmware will be included. It's been quite a while, so I can't remember if gawk was required back then.
Thanks again...and miyo the heck out of it! That's what it's for.
#1172 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Where are the refracta scripts? » 2017-08-06 18:29:04
Hot damn,
I started hacking around trying to get refracta into my main Debian installation while the forum was down.
To do so, and even though I had the wonderful vuu-do and used refracta successfully I gave @MiyoLinux a try.
This is not a proper installation and I wish I knew they were in experimental (which I never tried).
I looked up all the dependencies and rec's/conflicts, and made a cp/mkdir script to copy all 3 pkgs. Then I
went through the list of dependencies and installed anything I was missing.
I noticed that in Miyo Gawk was missing, but I neither knew what it does and how essential it is.Maybe I should do the proper installation of the experimental version and see if there is a
difference.Later: It worked like a devuan charm
The Refracta tools are in Miyo, but they're old versions.
It only has the Refractasnapshot base (no gui). It does have the Refracta Installer base and gui, but I have the gui set as NoDisplay=true in /usr/share/applications
I meant to add that to the release notes, but I forgot. Sorry...
I'm working on new releases, so your post will help remind me to add that to the release notes. Thank you for that. I'll make a note to remind myself to add it to the notes.
#1173 Re: Other Issues » Is there a package for Skype? » 2017-08-06 08:55:55
There's also a browser version. I've read that it works in Chromium and Firefox (with some saying that the video doesn't work in Firefox). I don't use Skype, so I can't say if it works well or not.
#1174 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Advice needed from non-US users regarding keyboard layouts » 2017-08-03 18:44:15
Having a US keyboard is a nuisance for us Brits, but not insurmountable, just have to poke around to see where keys have been put, most annoying are @ | ~ #
(If I need another layout, I use setxkbmap &/or loadkeys, usually works.)
Thanks FOSS! I appreciate your input friend!
I can certainly understand the dilemma.
#1175 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Advice needed from non-US users regarding keyboard layouts » 2017-08-02 22:07:10
Okay, I heard back from the gxkb dev. He said that because of X11 protocol limitations, the most layouts possible are 4. I can only get three to work on gxkb though.
MiyoLinux wrote:I know it would be really convenient for live users to be able to use their native keyboard layout if possible, but at the same time, I would like to know if it's a "deal-breaker" if they can only use the US layout.
I'd definitely consider it a deal breaker for people used to German keyboard layouts. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KB_Germany.svg
Thank you for the input msi! It's quite a coincidence that you responded. When I looked at the top three countries that have downloaded MiyoLinux, they are...
1. United Kingdom
2. United States
3. Anonymous Proxy (whatever that means)
4. Germany
My present intentions are to use those three (unless I can find something different) and give a quick guide on how to change the layout for other countries in the live session.
Thanks again msi, I really do appreciate the input.
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