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#976 Re: Off-topic » We all aware the interweb is problematic, deranged, imbalanced. » 2022-11-03 02:08:17

Just take a deep breath and let it all go . . . it is nothing but a dream . . .

#978 Re: Off-topic » We all aware the interweb is problematic, deranged, imbalanced. » 2022-11-03 01:59:06

@andyp67 . . . I suggest you start a personal diary to reflect and record your thoughts. Your ability to do so on this forum is about at an end.

#979 Re: Off-topic » We all aware the interweb is problematic, deranged, imbalanced. » 2022-11-03 01:27:46

Devarch wrote:

Or one can have 3+ cell phones with different profiles for different tasks.

I prefer not to be a monkey behaving for the machine 24/7 . . . I would rather unplug . . .

#980 Re: Off-topic » We all aware the interweb is problematic, deranged, imbalanced. » 2022-11-03 01:15:25

Thinking is the root of the human predicament. Our "madness" imposes a false narrative on the experiences impinging on our sensory organs and we turn that bare experience into a fantasy that has little to do with reality. IOW we live in a dream (more of a prison) that is of our own making. It is a choice to dream but not so easy to wake up . . .

#981 Re: Off-topic » We all aware the interweb is problematic, deranged, imbalanced. » 2022-11-02 21:38:01

I seem to be more of a fossil than you. I do not have a working cell phone. Only one which has never had a working account for 911 emergency use only . . .

The web is deranged because it magnifies the reality that our species is deranged with greed, hatred and delusion.  I vote for extinction . . .

#982 Re: Devuan » Chimaera is like an "LTS" ? » 2022-11-02 17:18:42

No crystal balls here. That decision will come from Debian and Devuan will follow.
https://wiki.debian.org/LTS

#983 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] The Devuan Ethos » 2022-11-01 21:52:45

I surrender to the chaos of the universe and the human mind . . .  smile

#984 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] The Devuan Ethos » 2022-11-01 21:44:14

andyp67 wrote:

Define Devuan standards.

Devuan is what YOU choose it to be. Take responsibility for creating YOUR workspace and YOUR reality YOUR way. The options are infinite . . .

#985 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] The Devuan Ethos » 2022-11-01 21:38:53

andyp67 wrote:

But it's not good enough, this is Devuan, the live should mirror the regular storage device install, and it doesn't.

If you had used the netinstall iso and chosen the "expert install" option you would have had more control of what was installed. The netinstall uses a slightly modified version of the Debian installer. The "live" iso uses the "refractainstaller" which only copies the files of a default Devuan desktop installation to your installation media.

You can read descriptions of the available Devuan installation media here.

#986 Re: Devuan » [SOLVED] The Devuan Ethos » 2022-11-01 20:37:11

rolfie wrote:

?

^^^ this. I am also completely lost . . .

#987 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Select only needed firmware » 2022-11-01 15:01:08

Official Devuan policy from https://www.devuan.org/os/install:

Non-free firmware packages are available on all install media. These packages will only be installed if required by your wifi adapter. To avoid the automatic installation and loading of needed non-free firmware, choose the Expert install option during the installation process.

The desktop-live and minimal-live images have non-free firmware packages pre-installed. These packages may be removed after boot using the remove_firmware.sh script available under /root.

#988 Re: Off-topic » Google in trouble again » 2022-10-30 20:26:48

The human mode of production is equally at fault.  This is the solution.

(also off-topic)

#989 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Using debian repos for non systemd related packages? » 2022-10-30 05:09:23

jobbautista9 wrote:
golinux wrote:

I'm not sure what your question is or even if there is one . . .

I think they're asking if it's possible to use both Debian and Devuan (unmerged)'s repos, with Devuan packages being at a higher priority. A possible usecase could be that the user is in a country where Debian has a faster and closer mirror than Devuan's, and want to use that as much as possible.

Thanks jobbautista9!

@recklessswing . . . There are 2 scripts as well as manual instructions on how to migrate from Bullseye to Chimaera on our install page. Perhaps something in those methods will be useful to you.

#990 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Using debian repos for non systemd related packages? » 2022-10-29 22:48:57

I'm not sure what your question is or even if there is one . . .

#991 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Chimaera install, encrypted root » 2022-10-26 17:46:06

Happy to hear that you got everything sorted.  smile

Now that you've got the BB code straightened out, feel free to edit your first post for readability.

#992 Re: Devuan » Brave New Trusted Boot World » 2022-10-26 15:17:41

Digital incarceration will mean lots of dumpster diving for old hardware . . . smile

#993 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Chimaera install, encrypted root » 2022-10-25 21:41:16

F5PPu6kGqj wrote:

Secure boot turned on or off makes no difference to this.
The system boots. I just need to enter the crypt password twice.
I want to stop that.

Well, I have never used uefi so tried to explain something I don't understand that well so not surprising.

I used the code tags, but preview of the post didn't show any change.

There is a list of clickable tags on the "Post a reply" line. Just hilight and click the appropriate tag like this or

like this

#994 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Chimaera install, encrypted root » 2022-10-25 20:40:11

Welcome to the forum!

I just had a phone conversation with fsmithred who creates the live isos and he said that no one has gotten secure-boot to work. You can search for other posts on this forum. It should boot if you turn off secure-boot in the bios.

Suggestion . . . it would make your post easier to read if you used "code" tags. Thanks.

#995 Re: Installation » Install ZFS » 2022-10-20 06:42:56

steve_v wrote:
golinux wrote:

Have you ever actually tried it?

To follow up on that, I just installed chimaera on a thinkpad X230, from the default live image, with refracta...

I really appreciate that you gave it a spin.

steve_v wrote:

Seriously, I think I could write a better install process myself in zenity and bash.

Show us the code and maybe we'd use it!!! big_smile

steve_v wrote:

Remind me how this disaster is an improvement over d-i again?

Different strokes for different folks. It can be quite useful to test a distribution live before going through the hassle of installing.  The installaion just copies files; no downloading needed unless you request it. Then with refractasnapshot you can create a live iso of your running installed system which is very handy for backup.

steve_v wrote:

I could really do without all the networkmanager/pulseaudio/garbage-kit bloat TBH.

Are you sure that pulseaudio is installed? I have been running Devuan since 2015 and pulseaudio has never been installed. apulse gets the job done quite nicely. IIRC that is the default even for the installer isos. I don't need networkmanager because I am always wired and with a window manager, I'm pretty sure you can get rid of all the polkit stuff . . . All of that objectionable stuff would be installed with the default desktop even using the installer iso so your complaints are a bit of a thud . . ..

#996 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2022-10-17 03:58:01

Amazing tabla and bansouri:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2K0ptoYpuc

#997 Re: Installation » Install ZFS » 2022-10-15 03:02:14

steve_v wrote:

Choice is, on the other hand, the reason I moved away from Debian, and the reason I'm steadily moving away from binary distros in general. Primarily, that's the choice to not install 500lbs of crap I don't want or use.

And you have that choice installing with either the netinstall or the mini-iso. Even CD 1 of the 4 CD set should get you a very minimal install.

steve_v wrote:

Anyway, this is horribly off-topic. Maybe if the OP replies someday...

Yeah . . . I may split it off a bit later . . .

#998 Re: Installation » Install ZFS » 2022-10-15 00:59:36

@steve_v . . . Isn't choice the point of free software? The desktop-live installs a default Xfce desktop using the refractainstaller. Nothing more. Nothing less. All the descriptions on the website and elsewhere say exactly that so you shouldn't have expected it to do anything else.

The Refracta derivative is customized with different options that make it Refracta based on Devuan.

#999 Re: Installation » Install ZFS » 2022-10-14 20:13:20

steve_v wrote:
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Refracta

On that note... Any particular reason we're moving to that (unmentionable, IME) thing instead of using the venerable debian-installer? I mean, we kinda have a serviceable wheel already, no?

Refracta has been around for AGES. Here's one of the first posts brought up in a search from 2009-05-07 on FDN.

could always try http://refracta.org/ it truly is debian with a slimmer and lighter default install

Refracta has been the default live installer for Devuan since jessie.

Refracta snapshot and installer are invaluable tools for sooo many users.  Have you ever actually tried it?

refracta.org has been up for a long time and many derivatives of various Linux distros use it. I use refractasnapshot to create a backup image in case things go south.

My current installation is based on the refracta version of chimaera (no install recommends and other nice defaults). Yeah, I'm a fan . . . big_smile

#1000 Re: Other Issues » No Sound ALSA » 2022-10-07 19:19:45

My old Intel Haswell needed an .asoundrc file to sort the 2 chips on the board.  Maybe that's an option? Or more likely this is just noise and apologies for that . . .

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