I thought I'd drop this blog post made by one of the Artix GNU/Linux developers who'd used Wayland in the last few years and realized it's an unstable, messy piece of software "managed" by totally irresponsible groups.

The amount of shilling for Wayland is preposterous, particularly by those who use distros without Systemd. I also think that D-Bus, Polkit (formerly PolicyKit), GVfs, Avahi, and PulseAudio being forced onto essential packages is every bit as bad. I remove what I can before ending up with a broken, unusable system (especially in D-Bus' case). Even things like Elogind are not what I desire, but it is what it is.

Which Devuan version are you experiencing problems in? Are the following packages installed?
libtcl8.6 libtk8.6 phalanx scid scid-data tcl tcl8.6 tk tk8.6 toga2

Yup, and I'm laughing at it more and more with each passing day. I only feel sorry for the gullible fools who buy into outright lies and deception.

There is no evidence of this, as I said already. Do you know what schizophrenia is? He could also be staging all this "drama" all along. Anyone can write numbers on sticky notes and make a house look like there was a murder. I've seen this time and time again on the Internet. Nothing changes.

Feel free to. As for myself, I'll keep calling a spade a spade. Sneedacity has barely been around for two weeks and is already proving to be the best thing since sliced bread. Even the Audacium developers admitted in an IRC conversation to borrowing code from Sneedacity for a commit. If Sneedacity wasn't a serious project, then why even acknowledge their existence? That's how I know Sneedacity is the true winner. Give it up.

Well, with a signature like that, I'm surprised you don't spend more time on the Antix forums. That's more your crowd, I reckon. Devuan has no politics (left or right).

Nah, I think it's off to a solid start. Forks usually take a while to get the hang of, having just been launched. Also, they have an IRC channel that's gaining traction.

Neither actually happened. I looked into the archives and screenshots myself, and he's clearly getting off on the attention he's been receiving. He's being put on blast for his shady online comments (along with writing slurs himself). His faux victimhood ironically makes him more likely to do the creepy stalking than a typical anon. 4chan's only mistake is giving him said attention. He'd be just another lonely GitHub maintainer without their "harassment".

You install their packages just as if you would on Debian. Go to this page and carefully follow the instructions. The only two repositories available are Buster (Beowulf) and Bullseye (Chimaera). Select the one that's analogous to your distro version. Note that you'll need the package libfaudio0 first (if your repository doesn't have it, get it from here).

sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386

wget -nc https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/winehq.key
sudo apt-key add winehq.key

Add either of these to your /etc/apt/sources.list:

deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ buster main
deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/debian/ bullseye main

You have to choose one of the three WineHQ branches. You'll want the stable branch just to be safe, but here are your options:

sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-stable
sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-devel
sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-staging

If you run into any dependency faults, install them again and remove whatever might be conflicting with the installs.

It's the same as with Ubuntu being an "operating system", despite being a (piss poor) Debian fork.

I mean, 99.9% of the time, it's all the same junk. Just different package manager (or lack thereof), desktop environment (or lack thereof), window manager (or lack thereof), and/or configuration files. You can always repackage it anyway you'd like, but it's still GNU/Linux (or either GNU/Linux-libre or GNU/Hurd, if all hope is lost).

Nice to see the installer lets you choose a different init now. Congrats!

I take it you've seen this article already?

Devuan's reason for existing has to do with Debian making retarded decisions on its users' behalf. If Systemd was an optional install and essential packages didn't depend on it, then all would have been well, but nope...

And, I think that's all Devuan needs to be: an actively maintained Debian without Systemd.

Why should it try to be anything else? I don't like most distros that are "designed" like Christmas lights and try to "reinvent the wheel" of Unix-like OSes. Let the individual decide how his or her system should be configured.

This mitigation guide resolves the above problems (i.e. "phoning home" and contacting Google). There's also a fork with placeholder title Web Browser that corrects much of Pale Moon's mistakes (e.g. automatic updates, add-on blacklists).