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#51 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Systemtap packaging error - cannot be used » 2024-01-09 12:14:51

Seems to be a poor way to differentiate between deb-based and rpm-based systems. Devuan wont be the only Debian derivative to fail this test.

I would recommend reporting this as an issue in to upstream SystemTap, maybe with the suggestion to change the logic to whether the relevant binaries exist - i.e. along the lines of if [ -x /usr/bin/dpkg ] elif [ -x /usr/bin/rpm ] else "error unknown system"

#52 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] transmission-gkt ( release version) » 2023-12-23 00:15:38

You're trying to compile from source software that isn't even in Unstable yet.

No idea why you'd want to do that, especially since you already have a version that is working fine. :/

Anyhow, if you're following official build documentation and the process is failing, then thing to do is report it to the developers of the software.

#53 Re: Devuan » Debian Farm? » 2023-12-22 14:58:53

???

The changelog for nosystemd.org is at //github.com/muellermartin/nosystemd.org/commits

There do not appear to be any links added today...

#54 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] chimaera in vm on m1 mac » 2023-12-19 13:38:55

Such commands can be made more manageable by making them multi-line:

$ echo 'big -long command -with lots -of options' | sed 's/ -/ \\\n&/g'
big \
 -long command \
 -with lots \
 -of options

#55 Re: Off-topic » I'm Back » 2023-12-16 16:57:10

Yeah, for people who need to do video calling that'll matter.

Based on this 2020 Arch Linux thread, that is what apulse solves:

https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=252378 wrote:

Output
Firefox is able to output audio through ALSA directly.

Input
Apparently due to dependencies of Firefox's WebRTC API, Firefox requires
either
* the Pulseaudio-Sound-Server
    or
* the Alsa-Pulseaudio-Compabilty-Layer (Apulse)³.

1. So, to not install Pulseaudio we install and use Apulse instead.⁴
2. Furthermore, it apparently is necessary to enable ALSA's duplex capabilities in your ALSA configuration file for simultaneous audio in- and output, in my case it is the asound.conf

It's good to know that, for people who don't need their browser accessing the microphone, the rest should work without needing the apulse hack.

#56 Re: Other Issues » Security updates » 2023-12-16 16:35:46

quickfur wrote:

Do we basically forward to the Debian security updates (modulo the package blacklist), so apt-get update is enough to get the latest updates?

Followed by an upgrade command, yes.

Also assumes the correct security repo is in Apt sources, as per the Packages page on the Devuan website.

#57 Re: Off-topic » I'm Back » 2023-12-16 16:26:43

SmokeyGrey wrote:

Firefox works just fine with pure alsa, no apulse required. If anyone is having issues with firefox and alsa, make sure you purge pulseaudio. I assume if you only remove, rather than purge, then some configuration files get left behind that mess with firefox.

For clarity, when you say "works just fine", you mean you have successfully streamed audio and video though the browser, yes?

#58 Re: Devuan » New Devuan user here » 2023-12-15 16:22:37

DelTomix wrote:

One way to get a current list of forked packages is to grab the sources.gz from;  http://packages.devuan.org/devuan/dists … in/source/
...Then for a quick list you can just 

zcat sources.gz | grep -E '^Package:' 

...or just browse through the file for full details. (not strictly forked packages - some devuan-specific things also in there).

Or simply zgrep '^Package:' Sources.gz

One might be able to identify forked packages via the version string... zgrep --count '^Version:.*devuan' Sources.gz gives 64.

There's also an "Origin: Devuan" field which might mean something - it's present on 79 of the records.

#59 Re: Off-topic » I'm Back » 2023-12-13 23:31:57

Desktop files can also be overridden.

(Using /usr/local/share/applications/firefox-esr.desktop should work, but I can't verify right now; using ~/.local/share/applications/firefox-esr.desktop will work, but is of course per-user.)

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Although I guess you might also need to update /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser too, so maybe working directly with /usr/lib/firefox-esr/firefox-esr is actually less work.

#60 Re: Off-topic » I'm Back » 2023-12-13 14:17:15

Why not just put the script at /usr/local/bin/firefox-esr ?

#61 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Upcoming browser changes » 2023-12-11 19:03:15

The domain ublock.org IS NOT uBlock Origin, and never has been.

uBlock Origin is from Raymond Hill who is at //github.com/gorhill - that's "go" followed by "rhill" - the initial and surname of the author.

YouTube videos aside, Manifest V3 is absolutely a bad thing, and part of Google's efforts to take over the Internet.

The easiest way to combat Google's increasing dominance is to stop using Google-controlled browsers, like Chrome, Chromium, Brave, Edge, Vivaldi, etc.

#62 Re: Off-topic » Say hello! » 2023-12-07 23:13:22

Devuan is Devuan, for everything that doesn't involve systemd or related packages - so you can almost always use those Debian answers you find.

Also, If you're bothered by systemd's potential to send DNS queries to Google, you should probably also use a different search engine too.

#63 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Upcoming browser changes » 2023-12-06 23:14:00

YouTube is not monitoring the forums of random Debian derivatives, but - even if they were - uBlock Origin is currently installed on over FIFTY MILLION browsers. It is far from a secret.

It is almost certainly the case that YouTube have known about uBlock Origin for most of its nine year life; there are very likely YouTube developers who started using it back in 2015 when it first became popular.

Manifest V3 is already Google's attempt to block such extensions, but - so long as we have non Google-controlled browsers - their success will be limited to those who use Google-controlled browsers.

And, even if Mozilla cave in and the efforts of Raymond Hill and others fail, there's still Invidious and yt-dlp and other options for viewing YouTube videos without being subjected to Google's adverts.

#64 Desktop and Multimedia » Using seatd in Chimaera » 2023-12-06 16:51:06

boughtonp
Replies: 1

Looking at https://pkginfo.devuan.org/seatd there's seatd is 0.7 for daedalus (bookworm), and 0.5 for chimaera (bullseye).
Contrasting that to https://packages.debian.org/seatd where seatd is 0.7 for bookworm, and 0.7 for bullseye-backports.

The Devuan package page for 0.5.0-1 has "Origin: Devuan" which suggests it was manually added to Chimaera?

If so, is the manual addition preventing Amprolla from automatically pulling 0.7.0-6~bpo11+1 from bullseye-backports to chimaera-backports, or is there some other reason that this is not coming across?

Also, the dependencies for libseat1 are seatd | logind, libc6 (>= 2.33), libsystemd0 (>= 238) - shouldn't that be seatd | logind | libsystemd0 (>= 238), libc6 (>= 2.33) ?

#65 Re: Devuan » The insanity continues... BSOD coming to a systemd near you? » 2023-11-29 18:10:06

golinux wrote:

Are you volunteering to take on that task?

No, because I don't know what would populate them.

(Well, I could probably come up a list of things that I think should be documented, but that'd be adding more to already full plates, so would be counter-productive until enough existing tasks are resolved.)

It is more important to fix bugs than make lists about fixing bugs imo . . .

Fixing bugs is important, and having a list of low-hanging fruit enables a greater number of people to potentially do so.

Particularly if there's a lot of easy-but-time-consuming tasks; give those to someone with plenty of time but less experience, whilst the more experienced people focus on the harder tasks, and more gets done overall.

There is no "frequent updates" or "by the time published"; the lists get dynamically generated by the bug tracker, all it (should) take is appropriate tagging, direct links to the relevant filters, and a suitable explanation of desired processes.

Here's Debian's page - it's not a good example to copy, because it's badly done - but hopefully it makes clearer what I'm saying.

#66 Re: Devuan » The insanity continues... BSOD coming to a systemd near you? » 2023-11-28 22:51:41

golinux wrote:

Devuan is drowning in tasks that need attention. A change in focus would be welcome . . .

Where are these tasks listed?

The bottom of the Community page of the Devuan website has:

https://www.devuan.org/os/community wrote:

How You Can Help Devuan

Devuan is a large endeavor involving people of all ages, from different countries, with a rainbow of skills and interests. Anyone can contribute to ensure that Devuan maintains its role as a stable and reliable universal operating system. Feedback is essential for Devuan to grow and prosper. Here are some ways you can help.

The link is to a pinned How you can help Devuan thread from 2017, of which the items that someone with sufficient spare time might be able to help with would seem to be, fix bugs, test packages, or write documentation.

Six years zapper was "not experienced enough to do coding yet" - maybe that has changed?

In any case, a clear set of...

1) low-hanging bugs that someone with 0-6 years experience might be able to handle;
2) packages/scenarios that could benefit from further testing;
3) topics that have missing or incomplete documentation;

...would be a helpful addition to post #1 of that thread and/or a dedicated "how to help" page on the website itself.

#67 Re: Other Issues » Seriously? » 2023-11-26 19:23:21

fsmithred wrote:

we got to the fifth post and nobody has yet asked why network-manager got removed?

If the first post had been an attempt at a bug report, I'm sure more would have been done to encourage diagnosis and sending of the relevant information to bugs.devuan.org

But since it was essentially just a rant just about dropped balls and low bars, I'd say the responses were just right.

-

Anyhow, if I cared about network-manager, I might be asking if it's relevant that Excalibur appears to be on 1.44.2-5 when Trixie is still on 1.44.2-3

Also, if I saw unexpected changes to my system, I'd make sure to copy text-based output of relevant commands, which - for anything package-related - would include a confirmation of active repositories...

*shrug*

#68 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Screen\text bluring in Devuan » 2023-11-24 16:00:08

The solution is to not view private things in public places.

Selective hiding/masking the screen only limits what a momentary glance can see - it doesn't protect you from someone who is continually watching (or filming) your screen.

#69 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Strategies to deal with .xsession-errors » 2023-11-22 15:03:42

Heh, localepurge sounds interesting...

https://manpages.debian.org/bullseye/localepurge/localepurge.8.en.html wrote:

localepurge is a small script to recover disk space wasted for unneeded locale files and localized man pages. It will be automagically invoked by dpkg upon completion of any apt installation run.
...
this tool is a hack which is not integrated with Debian's package management system

*sigh* It should not need to be a post-install hack!

The package manager should know which locale(s) are relevant and not even waste bandwidth on those files to begin with.

#70 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Upcoming browser changes » 2023-11-22 14:51:33

steve_v wrote:

As of now we really only have one independent (two if you count opera, but that's not FOSS) modern browser engine left that isn't based on (and largely slave to the whims of) google chrome. If you don't like what google is doing, I suggest you use Firefox instead.

Except "independent" is arguable given Mozilla is 80-90% funded by Google, and seem happy to mindlessly copy them.

(I can't confirm the amount Google currently pays; there's a couple of references to 86% in 2021, but it's not clear where that number came from - the accounts don't split it out.)

Both Opera and Vivaldi are Chromium+Blink based, so are not independent irrespective of software license.

I'm really hoping Ladybird browser succeeds.

#71 Re: Installation » Issue with libsystemd0 » 2023-11-20 17:23:01

Unless you were in the bin directory when running the command, it's not going to be a problem. Assuming you're in your home directory, just make sure you use ~/grep to view/remove the file and it'll be fine.

If you're super paranoid, rename the file, download grep.deb just in case, restart, confirm grep still works (which it will), then remove the renamed version.

(Also, since my edit was a bit slow you may have missed that you don't need grep to filter the output.)

#72 Re: Installation » Issue with libsystemd0 » 2023-11-20 17:14:44

In your last command you have > where a | should be (and thus any output went into a file), except you don't even need grep:

apt list --installed '*systemd*'

#73 Re: Devuan » The insanity continues... BSOD coming to a systemd near you? » 2023-11-14 14:03:18

FM81 wrote:

and most important of all: systemd-registry (to avoid all that crappy files/directories beneath '/etc/')

It's already here, and called dconf.

#74 Re: Installation » Install from Ventoy » 2023-11-06 14:42:18

rolfie wrote:

Updated my Ventoj ...

Your "y" key is clearly working... so, why?

#75 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » dnscrypt-proxy settings » 2023-11-05 14:42:23

Running ss -ltnp sport 53 - as root/sudo - should confirm which process is listening on port 53.

Strictly, only -l (--listening) and -p (--processes) are needed here, but depending on what one is filtering, limiting to -t (--tcp) and -n (--numeric) makes the output clearer.

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