thank you very much fsmithred! The problem seems to be:

using the hierarchy of the tree from https:/pkgmaster.devuan.org , you have only very small chances to find such an ISO especially if your interest is more somewhat inusual like i386 and ceres...

and if you have found or did get a link like yesterday, the result is very difficult to use...

using _ttps://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/daedalus/main/installer-amd64/20230607%2Bdeb12u4devuan1/images/netboot/

I did try install ceres + the actual testing for amd64 as proposed and did have success for daedalus because the installation mode does -not expert- not includes the selections menu to commute to testing or experimental. but it was not that what I will: I have enough old snapshot isos out 2023 for deadalus (where my adaptations are already included! More than enough as I use daily only i386 versions out solidarity with the millions of poor people abandoned by a lot of important distributors...

actually my only one working installation in an experimental version with my adaptations is the Lubuntu 24.04 Noble minimal where I did install

sudo apt install abiword clex darktable deborphan didiwiki epiphany-browser gimagereader gimp gnumeric gparted granule gv hunspell kdenlive kturtle l3afpad lame luakit marble-qt marble-plugins merkaartor mgp mhwaveedit mplayer mplayer-gui nted osmo ranger tesseract-ocr ucblogo

but the refracta-tools continue to refuse to build the ISO (so I did have to search help at the English Ubuntu forum. They did propose

https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/image-is … ions/42083

because I can use the new installation although if I would exceptionally come back to AMD64 installations because of the actual difficulty to install i386 on my main PC: I will maintain my installation free from not apparent (hidden) records resulting from daily use! It is important for me as I will transmit my iso to other).

My last working i386 «justXorg» was Nov. 2023 made from deadalus, yet as testing version, but already commuted to ceres (after that did I have the visualization problems you know, so I did have to renounce to actualize).

I did find the analog ISO to _ttps://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/daedalus/main/installer-amd64/20230607%2Bdeb12u4devuan1/images/netboot/ but for i386 installation. I did not try the stable installation (daedalus). but both the expert installation for ceres as well as for testing did not have success.

so I did spend an extrem long time this week to try to use Devuan as it did becoming uncompatible with my PC and seem to stay so. and as we have in short time important European elections, I need an operable PC and must, sorry, let the arms hang down concerning Devuan. There is not only PC matter in the live...

you speak about the difference between a man and an eunuch... at a certain point of time did happen somewhat and the skills are not the same any more after that ...

transferred to the PC Welt It was the new kernel because so far it has been well (read the theme of the thread: «the new kernels disturb»! Until november 2023 I did NEVER have such problems!). A good man can. A eunuch can't any more. Do you want a eunuchist distribution?

Thank you really for your interest Glenn. My situation is the same: I did build 3 times in my live (I am very old and did immediately adopt the use of PC's as it came. My first "pc" was not a PC but the pocket calculator from Sinclair to build from Sinclair kit (ab. 1979..1980). But my second PC was the real great PC ZX81 also build myself from Sinclair kit (to appreciate: 1973 did my employer buy, after a desk computer for our activity in air conditioning technology, the first pocket calculator for the ONE under all in a staff of engineers and it did cost about the price from IBM PC ten years later (it was more than a car)! We, the other, did continue to use manually our logarythm rulers and discs and 7 short years later, I did have a «dwarf computer», but, yes, at home, assembled myself and with a clear keyboard for texts, not only for hexadecimal...) as I did try and have success (it was automatised! by Thierry Nuttens, the creator of the distro Nutyx) to build Linux from Scratch (the problem from Nutyx at this time was, that it was the pure base, what was automatised, so LFS, but not BLFS...

but why build my own kernel?

I can select a user friendly distro like Extix (probably the GREATEST fan and supporter from the Refracta tools!). Exton supply his derivatives from Debian, Ubuntu, Deepin, Devuan, Arch, and other distributors with

his own exton kernels, never with the original kernel form distributor,

and the exton kernels work all perfectly

so the motivation to build myself the kernel is not great. As I did compile my  kernel, I did yet have a old Pentium and not an i7 like today and it was long, long, very long... But at this time the kernel was small! Today, the kernel did become bigger and bigger and bigger: So it stay probably the same: long, long, very long! Why?

thank you very much! I will try immediately!

Devuan claims to be the correspondent from Debian but without systemd.

Ok.

But also with an other level!

Actually, if you want to test and operate with iso images for CD from Debian, you can use Debian images with a size from 45..47 MB! The download require a few seconds, the burning on USB requires a few seconds, and the execution is fast depending of your internet connection of course. Where are such tools to test Devuan?

Devuan will not compare itself with the other giant of Debian world, Ubuntu. But for the target of testing the new version, Ubuntu offers the reduced version Lubuntu and, in it, the a step more reduced installations way «minimal Lubuntu» (definition: only the pure desktop equipment of the already reduced version Lubuntu! It is in my opinion always to much: I would have better seen "desktop equipement base" only, also in the case of LXQT using Openbox, only Openbox without LXQT, but the main distro developers will not encourage the users but better their guy's from development offices like those from LXQT!).  Where are such tools to test Devuan?

It is so, as the testing of the actual (definition from Debian: nightly build!) Devuan testing (I speak from Ceres, but not only: also the stable version from Devuan did get new kernels from type 6.xxxx!) needs so long to download, write on usual USB sticks/cards etc. you can only do one, let the arm fall down and renounce!

Note from 20240129: see here a user friendlich approach to test a distribution, even in i686 !
https://d-i.debian.org/daily-images/i386/daily/netboot/

You are wrong: As long as Devuan creates new problems without solution, although if they came from Debian itself (with the line of Kernels beginning in 6.xxx, and although if they possibly came from the kernel maintainer itself, I really don't know, it is to high for me), it is an information exchange that important for all the Debian-derivatives-world, that ONE member, Ubuntu, the way knows, don't to confront his users with those problems ;-) or does you find ok, to do that as actually DEBIAN and Devuan does?

there were really problems on ALL Debian derivates incl. Debian itself and Ubuntu. but never at extix.se (it always build it's kernel itself ;-) for all his distros...).

but Ubuntu publish actually especially in the 24.04 noble (experimental!) an ISO without that error and after actualization the error comes not again!

(but problems with refractasnapshot: it claims ${DISTRO} in ubuntu :-(  ...)

an interesting case. the oldest person of my family did die last November with 97 y. She did refuse computer usage in the last years of her live (but was one of the first person having to really work intensively at the big computer console of a really Finance Minister of a world country!). My father did die 10 y. ago. Probably was his love to his PC a reason of the point of his dead because he did not have success to convert his knowledge (old 8 and 16 bit systems) into Windows 7. It was a reason of real despair and to find more live nonsens (at that time, we did have full access to all in the web! Without to have to "accept" or "pay"! It was an fully other time I think!) . He would be today ab. 99 y., the same generation also as your dad! I know the danger (I am ab. 78 y. old) as well in computer sciences as in sport: The target of your activity has to be accessible for you. Pilates is no problem (excepted one exercice), Ashtanga yoga is one but with little concession I have good chances to accede  to my goal...

Back from sport to PC: What does your father with his PC? One target is clear, we did read it: email correspondence. Ok, but what else?

Decades ago, a developer staff did design an OS especially for old person. It was a kind of mini Puppy Linux based on Ubuntu (with which it was 100 % compatible) so there was no limit (excepted the limits of the beginning Ubuntu itself! It did really have limits...).

The base did propose only a hand of activity:

- browse the web and electronic mail
- calculate
- write
- listen music
- skype (no distro at this stage of evolution without skype)!

With your continuous experience (my did finish, concerning old people excepted myself, with the dead of my own father) what would you do change in that definition?

the lspci output on my pc is

you are right.

concerning 6.1 kernel, I am very confuse because at that time (it is now old) devuan did use links into the kernel administration. It was not easy to understand what is the matter

because

soon cames upgrades with other kernels and

a part of the old trace of kernel did continue to be present

and the initial kernel was away...

and, of course, If you meet difficulties using a new release / iso, you stop immediately it use after you understand you can't continue, what else. after that I did try Devuan itself (also because I need a 32 bit installation; my PC is 64 bit but it works also in 32 bit and after the drama of Corona where PC's were absent in thousand of schools in the world, I will mark my solidarity with poor peoples (millions, perhaps billions) having only 32 bit hardware and refuse to continue to use 64 bit software if I am not a very very important need of it. The industry will 64 bit hardware because of business not because of frequent needs by the users... And we all do as we find that normal?

as you know ( https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=5965 ) refracta 32 bits experimental seems not to be recommended and  is big (actually my full filled version of extix 20231123 (that one, not full filled, as a size of only 2050 MB!) has the size of 2.3 GB (refractasnapshot).and seems to work fantastic with a lot of build in software like darktable 64 bit, the new one, emacs (was already in the not full filled original iso from extix) making with swi-prolog a absolute powerfull prolog development equipment, etc. etc. why use an Iso having a size of 3,5 GB (it just under the limit of fat16 to burn usb's!). Yes, because it is as wished in 32 bit! but for other reason?

If you want to see what full equipment I require from my installed full version, you can see it under following link https://e.pcloud.link/publink/show?code … RGAbUjtENX (the base is, I am myself sorry, Ubuntu Noble Numbat 24.04 as given to us by https://extix.se ) my actual daily used full iso with only 2.3 GB size (that I start from USB card, this is the reason why the size is very important for me: all in those 2,3 GB size!).

dear  fschmithred, you must understand that this problem, chaos on the screen, is absolute terrible for each pc owner and can't continue longer as some hours and I did recognize NO HELP coming from Devuan DAYS AND DAYS AND DAYS. The real help came from https://extix.se (in 64 bit, sorry of that) and https://emmabuntus.org/ (both in 32 bit as well as in 64 bit).

Devuan did break in September 2023

ALL CONFIDENCE IN THE SERIOUSNESS OF THE DEVELOPMENT exposing the user to such terrible breakout of activity!