@rolfie : Refracta2usb is your friend.

Though I do wish I could find a way to make it use the onboard isolinux in an iso instead of having to add syslinux on top of that.

Mintstick works perfectly with Daedalus too.

@RedGreen925 They have blanks for sale at most big box stores, I picked up CD's and DVD's recently at walmart. Also found a pack of 10 DVD's at a secondhand store for .99 cents a couple weeks ago.

I have CD's and DVD's I burned going all the way back to 2007 that work fine, just need to store properly and be careful when using. I like having a non-electronic backup for my work and important stuff. Have worked with electronics all my life, and seen too much fail to put all my faith in such.

And yet again we see the superiority of the optical disk, as it never fails.

I don't use the OP's method to run pure alsa, but I can attest that FF works for me just fine with nothing but alsa. All the browsers i've tested do.

For me, I still have fully functional ISO's of pure Jessie that are all GTK2, archive repo is still available but I have everything I want already, the only program that needed a modern version to work properly was the browser, so I use an appimage of FF. No frankensteining needed.

Microsoft, Apple, and Devuan walk into a bar.

Bartender: "We have a special today on our super secret house specialty drink, like to try it?"

They all agree to try it. Bartender walks up to a huge machine with all kinds of dials and switches, flips a bunch of them, then punches in a code. Then brings them their drinks.

Microsoft: "We would like to buy the recipe for this drink, but you must sign an agreement never to disclose the recipe".
Apple: "We would like to buy the recipe AND the machine but you must sign a binding agreement to never give it to anyone else".

Devuan: "Why are you using a recipe or a machine? It's a friggin' gin & tonic, I can totally make you another one if you want".

No offense and the thing to remember is that everyone's tastes are different, but spacefm has been awful in every version i've tried, vanilla PcmanFM is better in every way.

"Power-users" are a very small minority of the computer-users world-wide. And if you are among that minority, then you have the capacity to build yourself whatever works for you. I suggest you do that.

For most folks, the whole "workspaces" thing is completely wasted. As for myself that's the first thing I delete. I don't need 2 panels, much less 4, that's the second thing I delete.

I've converted hundreds of former windoze users to Linux now, and every single one of them preferred a familiar simple interface, one panel at the bottom of the screen, no "workspaces", simple menu, easy and intuitive for people who don't live to code.

Gnome-2 and Mate were that bridge for a lot of people myself included.

New update of the ob-max-z uploaded today, minor security upgrades and Chromium updated.

Added qt5-gtk2-platformtheme package and an .xsessionrc file with an entry that makes
VLC (and any other apps that use QT5) abide by the chosen GTK theme. Working on doing the same
for QT6 apps.

Thank you! That's what I was hoping for with that iso, it's all 100% Devuan, just makes it so much easier to try and to install with a hybrid-iso as opposed to the Debian installer, and i've always had great experiences with Devuan's Mate version, so I thought if more people tried it they'd really like it.

The real bonus with that one is none of my hijinks and mucking about are included, lol, it's Devuan as the VUA's intended it.

Hi stopAI, it's not me that declared them buggy : https://lists.debian.org/debian-securit … 00023.html

I'm on the 4th kernel already this year, new one yesterday, and on 1-21 and 1-12. The others had similar warnings.

Haven't had issues myself, but since I put iso's online I feel like it's important for me not to have them up there using kernels with this warning:

But basically the question is rhetorical,  where the bugs are coming from has been in the news lately, i'm suggesting that it might not be the best idea to allow employees of a corrupt multi-billion dollar corporation famous for it's intentionally buggy software contribute to the Linux kernel.

New updates to the 5.03 ob-max-z and also the Vuu-do-mate-mini this week. A mountain of improvement in the mate version, updated to 5.03 with theming, extra firmware, menu entries for the screenshooter and ALSA, fixed EQ bugs and more. Very nice and slick now.

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I'm aware, I was there and I was one of the small derivative hobby projects. I recall the community here being very welcoming to me and others like me, and our tinkering was encouraged.

And that's all i'm really talking about here, tinkering...some people might like to know if they can get rid of useless things just taking up space. I fail to see how talking about it puts Devuan in jeopardy of not being able to lure in the kind of devs needed.

I have read and seen the stuff you're talking about though, yeah some folks go off the deep-end about it, but no need to throw out the baby with the bathwater. Devuan itself was born of people who refused the status quo and chose to tinker with it.

I'm not suggesting Devuan do anything different at all. But even if I was folks shouldn't bristle at the very mention of doing something different.

I just innocently jumped into an interesting topic, and had the temerity to suggest I might take it upon myself to experiment with such, and as a result have seen a lot of name-calling thrown out there, and intimations that people doing or even suggesting these simple thing brings harm to the system somehow.

As a whole, this forum has become quite a bit more uptight and stringent, and less welcoming than it was 8 years ago, that's not a look that's going to attract any new developers IMO. And that's the last i'll say about it. Time for me to take a break from it.