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#501 Re: Off-topic » Hey, I'm Jay! » 2019-02-06 09:17:58
Welcome! Looking forward to seeing what you have on the site. 
#502 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Software update notifications in XFCE » 2019-02-06 09:13:55
MiyoLinux wrote:I wonder if the pk-update-icon problems could be related to it being broken in "testing" versions...possible, but I don't know.
The only other indicator that I'm aware of is...
package-update-indicator...but I've never tried it.
They're one and the same. apt search says:
package-update-indicator/testing,unstable 2.0-1 amd64 Notify about available software updates pk-update-icon/testing,testing,unstable,unstable 1:2.0-1 all transitional dummy package for package-update-indicatorPersonally, I have the habit to upgrade my system at least twice a week. But I installed Devuan also on a friend's laptop, because it's old, and all... He's no computer geek, and such a utility comes out quite handy and makes things easier.
Also, I don't want a solution that would just automatically install, I want the user to be aware of available upgrades and let him/her decide if and when to install them, at best convenience.
Okay...I may have a solution. First, let me apologize. After reading your comments, I did more research. Both of those packages are developed by the same person. The developer has dropped pk-update-icon from further development (except for important fixes), and has started package-update-indicator as its replacement. I'm sorry that you installed things (that I suggested) for nothing. 
Now for the possible solution. I've wanted to do this for a while, and you gave me the inspiration to see what I could do. I've done some modifications to the PointLinux Update Notifier; in that, instead of it having the ability to actually install updates, it now only notifies the user that updates are available...the user will have to manually install updates through the terminal or synaptic. This negates the need for gksu or pkexec...it's just a notifier that lets you know updates are available.
So...are you (or anyone else) willing to test this out for me? The reason I ask, is that I no longer have a pure Beowulf build to test it on...I had to sacrifice that partition for the new i3 version I'm working on. 
Also, I only use window managers. I know it works on ascii with Openbox, ascii with i3 (what I'm working on now), and on an upgraded version of ascii to beowulf with Openbox.
If so, I have everything in a .zip file. There's nothing to actually "install"...after unzipping the file, you'd just need to open the file manager as root, and put things where they go. Here are the instructions that are included in the .zip file. Look them over, and if you (or anyone) is willing to try it, the download link will be below the following instructions...
Notifications for updates are presented with a desktop notification and an icon in the system tray.
The notifier will only notify you that updates are available. Clicking on the desktop notification or icon in the system tray WILL NOT perform any updates. You will have to do that manually through the terminal or synaptic.
To close the icon in the system tray, simply click on it one time.
The notifier will check for updates every two hours. That means that two hours after you start your computer, it will run its first check. Then it will check every two hours after that.
If you want to change the time-frame for when it checks for updates, open the update-notifier.py with your text editor as root. I'll use leafpad as the example, but substitute leafpad with your preferred text editor...
sudo leafpad /usr/share/update-notifier/update-notifier.py
When it opens, enable line numbers, and go to line 38. It looks like this...
interval = 7200, # 2 hours
The 7200 is 7200 seconds (which equals 2 hours). If you want to change that to a different time-frame, you'll have to convert the hours into seconds. For example, if you wanted it to check every 5 hours, you would use the following example...
60 x 60 x 5 = 18000
60 seconds x 60 minutes x 5 hours = 18000 seconds
So you would edit line 38 to read as...
interval = 18000, # 5 hours
VERY IMPORTANT: DO NOT PLACE A COMMA INSIDE THE NUMBERS! Such as, 18,000 (with a comma). The number MUST BE 18000 (without a comma). However DO PLACE A COMMA AFTER THE NUMBER as given in the examples above.
___________________________________________________To install, open your file manager as root, and...
1. Place the update_notifier text file in /etc/cron.d/
2. Place the Update Notifier application in /etc/xdg/autostart/
3. Place the update-notifier folder in /usr/share/
4. Reboot
___________________________________________________If the notifier isn't working, make sure that you have the following installed...
python-gtk2
libnotify-bin
python-notify
Here's the link where the .zip file can be downloaded...
LINK DOWN FOR NOW...Sorry.
Thanks,
Miyo
#503 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Software update notifications in XFCE » 2019-02-05 21:19:26
I wonder if the pk-update-icon problems could be related to it being broken in "testing" versions...possible, but I don't know.
The only other indicator that I'm aware of is...
package-update-indicator...but I've never tried it.
#504 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [solved] [MiyoLinux] connection issues - catch 22 » 2019-02-05 13:09:34
One of the downsides to Miyo...
If anyone has a better answer, feel free.
This may be a pain, and I've never tried this, but this is what I would try...
If you can use the computer that you wrote the post on...
1. Go to Mozilla, and download the firefox tar.bz file for your architecture.
2. Open the tar.bz file on that same computer.
Miyo comes with unzip.
3. Zip all of the contents into a .zip file and put it on a USB.
4. Boot Miyo, open the file manager, and insert the USB.
5. At the prompt, open the USB in the file manager.
6. Go to the .zip file's containing folder, and click "Tools" in the bar. Choose to open the terminal.
7. When the terminal opens, enter...
unzip the-file's-name.zip8. After it has been unzipped, open the containing folder, and double-click the executable (it should be named firefox).
Firefox should open. Nothing is actually installed...
#505 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2019-02-05 10:35:12
Klaatu: Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft
#506 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Derivatives based upon Beowulf/Testing » 2019-02-05 06:11:28
As far as I know, I don't think it's actually possible to have a true rolling "testing" version of Devuan (for now).
Devuan advises using the release code-names in the repos; such as, jessie, ascii, beowulf, or ceres...and advises against using stable, testing, unstable (as Debian can use).
I guess one could upgrade to ceres (the unstable branch) and have a rolling release. I know there are those who have. I've done it in the past just to see how it would go. I had no problems with it back then, but I didn't keep it for long. I'm always using all of my partitions on my build computer for different things.
#507 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Software update notifications in XFCE » 2019-02-05 02:29:17
This doesn't seem to work for me, since I am using Beowulf, and gksu, which is a dependency, has been deprecated... :-/
Oh...didn't know you were on beowulf!
You could see if...
pk-update-icon...is in the repos (I can't check right now).
It's similar to the Point Linux notifier, but requires a lot more dependencies.
#508 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Derivatives based upon Beowulf/Testing » 2019-02-05 02:22:34
MiyoLinux wrote:I don't know their plans, and I know consolekit has basically been dropped by any developers. I don't know if Devuan will continue to supply it or focus on elogind. I do know consolekit was not in the Beowulf repos the last time I checked. So that presents some issues for my derivative(s) using Beowulf as it is now.
Consolekit is replaced with Consolekit2 which is maintained by Xfce team.
https://erickoegel.wordpress.com/2014/1 … nsolekit2/
https://github.com/ConsoleKit2/ConsoleKit2/releases
https://consolekit2.github.io/ConsoleKi … 6757772400
Thanks ChuangTzu.
I've looked into consolekit2 recently. It wasn't in the Beowulf repos when I checked...unless I typed it wrong. LOL!
pkexec works with consolekit and lxpolkit on my ascii builds. If I upgrade one from ascii to Beowulf, consolekit remains. I can then remove elogind, and everything works again.
If I make a straight beowulf build, and try to install consolekit from ascii, it wants to remove a lot of other things.
Plus, my shutdown utility uses consolekit. I've tried to find what commands are used with elogind for shutdown, reboot, etc., but can't find what I'm looking for yet.
Sorry for rattling on...
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
#509 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Software update notifications in XFCE » 2019-02-04 19:36:53
The Point Linux Update Notifier. Read the whole thread...I show two ways of getting it and how to do a little configuration to it.
#510 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Derivatives based upon Beowulf/Testing » 2019-02-04 13:29:44
I'll answer for myself! 
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I've made one, but it's hacked...and I'm not willing to release that to users.
A big step was made recently with Devuan's developers releasing working (testing) versions of policykit for Beowulf.
I don't know their plans, and I know consolekit has basically been dropped by any developers. I don't know if Devuan will continue to supply it or focus on elogind. I do know consolekit was not in the Beowulf repos the last time I checked. So that presents some issues for my derivative(s) using Beowulf as it is now.
#511 Re: Installation » Installing devuan without pulseaudio. » 2019-02-03 12:07:38
MiyoLinux wrote:Never have taken the time to figure out how to do it correctly.
That is the right way
Oh.
#512 Re: Installation » Installing devuan without pulseaudio. » 2019-02-02 23:14:20
golinux wrote:@Miyo . . . More and more apps like Firefox are depending on pulseaudio with each release. In this forum and elsewhere, there have been discussions on how to substitute apulse/alsa for pulseaudio. I have not tried it (still on Jessie). Alessandro Selli offered to post a howto for apulse on this forum but it hasn't appeared yet. I will not upgrade to Firefox that requires pulseaudio until I know that I can get around it. Stay tuned . . .
Thank you ma'am.
I'm a rebel and use Firefox Quantum...download the tar file from Firefox, extract it, and just run the executable. I made my own desktop file to run it with apulse with the following Exec line...
Exec= apulse /the/path/to/the/executable
Works great. Never have taken the time to figure out how to do it correctly. LOLOLOLOL!!!
By the way...that also works with a desktop file for the default firefox-esr...
Exec=apulse firefox-esr
...try it from the Run Command or terminal too. It stinkin' works whether YouTube likes it or not! LOLOLOL!!!
#513 Re: Installation » Installing devuan without pulseaudio. » 2019-02-02 22:54:01
@Miyo . . . More and more apps like Firefox are depending on pulseaudio with each release. In this forum and elsewhere, there have been discussions on how to substitute apulse/alsa for pulseaudio. I have not tried it (still on Jessie). Alessandro Selli offered to post a howto for apulse on this forum but it hasn't appeared yet. I will not upgrade to Firefox that requires pulseaudio until I know that I can get around it. Stay tuned . . .
Thank you ma'am.
I'm a rebel and use Firefox Quantum...download the tar file from Firefox, extract it, and just run the executable. I made my own desktop file to run it with apulse with the following Exec line...
Exec= apulse /the/path/to/the/executable
Works great. Never have taken the time to figure out how to do it correctly. LOLOLOLOL!!!
#514 Re: Installation » Installing devuan without pulseaudio. » 2019-02-02 21:59:15
Thanks for the info, MiyoLinux. So at risk of hijacking this thread, will future releases of Miyo-Openbox (or Awesome) continue to not include pulseaudio?
That's a good question.
I'm currently working on a new i3 version (as I have time), and it will also include pulse. I've tried building a Miyo based on beowulf, and for now, pulse isn't working no matter what I try to do. LOL!
As I've pondered this, I've thought about no longer including pulse in any of my builds, and leaving instructions in the release notes on how to enable the correct sound card with alsa. I have a wiki page on Sourceforge on how to do this (thanks mlsmith0!), but I don't know how many people view it. The problem is, very few people actually read release notes, and they just jump right in...myself included! LOLOLOL!!!
My ultimate goal is this...
1. To introduce people to Devuan as easily as possible.
2. To introduce people to window managers as easily as possible.
When "things" don't work out of the box, it turns people off. If I can "introduce" them to something, and hopefully somehow...someway...encourage them to dig a little deeper, then that makes me happy. I may not always be successful, but that's my goal and what I try to do. So to answer your question as to whether Miyo will continue using pulse...
...at this point, I can't answer that! LOL!
I would prefer not to, but I tend to look at the bigger picture. Such as, will "user-Joe" be able to listen to his mp3s or YouTube out of the box, or will he not have any sound if he doesn't read the release notes or visit the wiki page? If he doesn't read the release notes or visit the wiki page, and he has no sound, will he go to a forum somewhere and proclaim that Miyo (and Devuan) doesn't work?
I remember when I first started using Linux...I had very little knowledge about it...and when things didn't work like I hoped, I blamed the distro. It took me a while to get past that in my understanding.
#515 Re: Installation » Installing devuan without pulseaudio. » 2019-02-02 19:53:30
Does Miyo have pulseaudio already removed? It's not installed on my system and I don't remember removing it.
Hi Ron! Hope you're doing well!
Miyo was "pulse-free" until Miyo-Modern was released late last year.
With that release, I decided to include it for two reasons...
1. Miyo is meant to make it easier for those who may be interested in a window manager, but they haven't pulled the trigger yet (for whatever reason).
2. Though I personally prefer using alsa, there are many folks who have more than one soundcard. Unfortunately, alsa doesn't automatically choose the correct one; whereas, pulseaudio does. So...for those who may be unaware of how to set their correct soundcard with alsa, I decided to use pulse in my latest builds in order to help folks.
Those who are familiar with setting their sound card with alsa will have no problem removing pulse...and yes, I've removed it with no issues on actual installations. Just run these commands...
sudo apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio*
sudo apt-get remove --purge pavucontrol*
sudo apt-get autoremove
After that, set your soundcard with alsa (if needed), reboot, and bam! Sound without pulsification!
So, unless you've reinstalled with Miyo-Modern or Miyo-Basic...you didn't get pulseaudio from me!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!
#516 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2019-02-02 18:46:06
ELO: Livin' Thing
#517 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2019-02-02 18:38:25
Thank you ma'am!
#518 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2019-01-30 10:02:37
I don't know how, but (here on the forum) I failed to announce the release of Miyo-Basic (code-named Addy)!
Miyo-Basic (code-named Addy) is now available...and has been for over a week now...
Here's a condensed overview from the Release Notes...
Why Miyo-Basic?
This is for those who prefer to configure their own menu, so I have provided two Openbox menus to get you started. One that's completely manual, and one that has a dynamic Applications menu (the default menu). The choice is up to you. More information is given in the Release Notes.
Why Code-named Addy?
Addy is a Linux enthusiast who produces some of the most attractive themes that I've seen. I contacted Addy and asked for permission to use some of his work in a MiyoLinux build. He graciously allowed me to do so! I have included just a taste of his work.
_________________________PLEASE NOTE: THERE ARE NO VIRTUALBOX GUEST ADDITIONS INCLUDED IN MIYOLINUX.
_________________________ATTENTION: there are three .isos available. The i686 (32bit) and x86_64 (64bit) .isos are intended for use on BIOS installations.
The x86_64-EFI (64bit) is intended for EFI installations.
If installing the EFI version, please pay close attention to the instructions given in each window.
_________________________Live User Information:
Username = miyo
Password = miyo
Root password= miyo
It is available at...
https://sourceforge.net/projects/miyoli … ase/Basic/
Here's a video to help users get acquainted with it...
#519 Re: Devuan Derivatives » questions about miyo and Devuan in general » 2019-01-28 09:54:11
Hi cretsiah! Thank you for you interest in Miyo. I'll answer what I can in your quote below...please understand that Miyo is a very base and minimal system that allows users to install only what they want (or need).
Sorry if these seem like dumb questions
Due to my awkward local network set up,
Im wondering if MIYO is the equivalent of a Graphical NET Install with all WIFI drivers included? (my wifi dongle if it helps is an Edimax model number EW- 7711UAn)No...sorry. Miyo is an Openbox "desktop"; albeit, it does have a graphical installation. Regarding Wifi drivers, please see my next answer below.
If not could a NET Install + all WIFI drivers closed session disc be made.
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to give you an example of the network:
Modem 6400 > 15 meter wifi bridge > Nighthawk 7000 > 7 meters wifi connection my computer.to move my desktop close enough to the router (for a net install) would just be a pain in the A##@@ and getting a 15 meter cable (to keep it out kids/ wifes way would be annoying, apart from actually being able to get hold of one).
I have included as many wifi firmware as I'm aware of. Normally, an ethernet connection connects automatically. I have wifi turned off by default, so a user would have to turn it on (instructions in the "Live User Notes"). With that said, I would be very interested to know if there are any wifi firmware (that I can legally install) that I've missed somehow.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Is the Miyo Disc download a Closed Session CD/DVD (aka Contiguous File)?
In my understanding of a contiguous file, I would say yes. Miyo isn't a persistent .iso per se.
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Reason i ask is because i have a muti-iso-boot usb and so long as the img's are considered standard bootable cd/dvd i can just drop iso's on the usb and launch. ive generally found img's with persistence /writable areas in them dont work.
--------------------------------------------------------------------Is there a package set that allows for Flash, Java and all Audio Video codecs? think they call it PPa's in Ubuntu and non free in debian.
I'm not aware of a package set that will include all of those packages in one fell-swoop in Devuan (I could be wrong). To my knowledge, flash and java can be installed; although, installed as separate packages.
is there a package that allows read/write/execute on NTFS file systems? (my stuff is on a seperate partition and its in NTFS)
Is a 50gig partition big enough for a full KDE install (ie boot, root, home, swap, etc? (providing i can access the logical drive to dump files on)
Before some one says try looking at Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Manjero, MX Linux..... I did and here is what i found:
Ubuntu
- even before the systemD thing i had a bad habit of of breaking it.
- Sluggish (even the so called light weight versions Lubuntu, Xfce, LXDE, LXQT)
- after SystemD constant reboot required to regain wifi connectionsLinux Mint
- didnt break it.
- constant loss of wifi connections (as above ubuntu)
- sluggishManjero Main
- Sluggish (as with Linux Mint and Ubuntu to the point of being unusable).
- not sure i had it on long enough to see if it also dropped wifi connections.
- not sure i had it on long enough to see I would break it or it would break on me.Manjero OpenRC
- found it and then it was being dumped.
- more responsive ( by quite a considerable amount).
- no wifi drop outs.
- became part of Artix (my understanding was that it wasnt going to be a full distro as such but an Arch/Manjero version of Devuan. beware my understanding could be wrong on this though).MX Linux
- no wifi drop outs
- usable but slow (Manjero Open RC was faster more responsive)
- updates made it sluggish (at least on 32-bit and on low end 64-bit processors)Test Beds were
Lenovo G series 1.3ghz cpu, ati graphics, 8 gig ram 64-bit
Aldi Medion media center athlon ii 2.6ghz cpu, radeon 5670 graphics card, 4gig ram 32-bitThe system I would like to install Devuan on a 50gig partition.
AMD 4130 Quad Core 3.8ghz CPU
8 gig ram
64- bit
Nvidea GForce GTX 650Miyo only comes with the nouveau drivers by default. If you want to use actual Nvidea, you would have to install the appropriate packages available in the repositories. Sorry!
#520 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2019-01-25 06:24:19
The Neal Morse Band: The Similitude of a Dream (Live)
#521 Re: Devuan Derivatives » [MiyoLinux] New Releases Uploaded » 2019-01-24 23:33:15
I noticed there is a 2019-Release folder on sourceforge's miyo files page.
Is there a new release coming soon or is this just a placeholder for future?I'm about to install a miyo system, but should I hold on for new version shortly?
Hi elheikki!
Thanks for your interest and the question.
The 2019 folder was a place holder, but I'll be releasing new .isos this weekend. However, they will be slightly different than previous releases; in that, they won't use obmenu-generator for the menu. I'm calling this release Miyo-Basic (code-named Addy).
It's more geared toward those who prefer to edit their menu manually. The "Addy" code-name comes from an Openbox enthusiast who was kind enough to allow me to include some of his GTK themes, window themes, and tint2 themes. I only used a sampling of what he has to offer.
By default, the applications menu is dynamic, but I include instructions on how to change to a completely manually edited menu in the Release Notes.
So, the choice is up to you...if you prefer obmenu-generator, then use one of the previous releases.
This will probably be my last release based on ASCII...hoping to start working on Beowulf soon.
Here's a link to an introduction to the upcoming release for this weekend...I've made a few changes to the themes and icons used in the video though.
EDITED! Put a link to the wrong video! It's fixed now...
Thanks again!
#522 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2019-01-18 21:06:51
Two Steps from Hell: Bravestone
Warning: this Epic music may inspire you to install a systemd distro...just so you can rip systemd out of it...
#523 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2019-01-18 21:03:30
MiyoLinux wrote:Playing around with dwm! :)I kind'a like it!
Yes, it is small and neat tiling window manager. You can check my short video.
Nice stuff Ogis1975!
I've just started playing around with dwm, so I appreciate the links you provided in the video description.
#524 Re: Off-topic » Show your desktop (rebooted) » 2019-01-18 10:41:47
Playing around with dwm!
I kind'a like it!
#525 Re: Off-topic » Music » 2019-01-12 00:19:58
Camel: Lunar Sea (Live)
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