Congratulations! And the winner of the best problem solver but most disgusting human being award goes to . . .

(see above post)

Right back at you, greenjeans . . .

One thing I am regretting at this moment is that it is unlikely that I will be around to see how my "detractor" will deal with the latest technologies when he is 83! LOL!!! But then, it's doubtful the world will even be habitable by then. Not that my generation didn't try to turn things around and I have personally spent decades engaged in that effort. Despite the successes, things have only gotten exponentially worse. Now our species is rapidly devolving so probably best that Mother Nature will take care of the "human problem" before too long . . .

Perhaps that task has been waiting for YOU to suggest it, set it up and keep track of all its moving parts.

Also, be aware that there are several irc channels that deal with different aspects of devuan's development.

We have a weekly jitsi meet and you are welcome to join us. Also feel free to talk to us on our IRC channels where the devs hang out. The forum is more for user assistance than development issues.

LOL! I have never written code and I couldn't write a bash script if my life depended on it! That is not what I do for Devuan. Yet Devuan would not be what is is today without my presence. If you don't know that by now you really haven't a clue about what makes Devuan tick.

But contemplate this . . . Dyne only provided airfare to the Amsterdam Conference to two people and I was one of them. Seems that Jaromil had a different assessment of the value of my contributions to Devuan . . .

Sorry to tell you that it is you with the clueless, false narrative, steve_v.

Hmmmm . . . I wonder who that might be . . . LOL!! 

Indeed . . . Another version of "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin" and we never seem to lean . . .

Did you forget to take your meds, zapper?

Checkmate!

@prospero . . . Thanks for your insight. Made my day!

@ greenjeans . . . There are detailed instructions for theming Xfce HERE. Maybe that will give you some hints of what might need to be done on Mate if you want to play with it. Don't panic!  Most of it it for theming ALL parts of a new release, not just the default desktop . . . unless you want to be a hero . . .

You completely missed the point of my comment . . .

They are stupid and ugly and for lower life forms . . .