Don't forget http://deb.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt , so people have a sense of what packages might be worth making compatibility packages/patches for

@fsmithred I have tested these packages, all of them work except for freedombox, due to cockpit being dependent on systemd. The only outstanding issue for the others is that it sports Debian's artwork, but that's purely cosmetic.

Just as a follow-up, after reading up on it a bit and furthering my understanding of how banned packages work, it seems I was confused on how the sources worked.  so my last comment was right -a shim would be needed for the "Kernel-install" function. But it seems a simple shim would be all that's needed, at least as a short-term solution. So perhaps this  isn't as much of a challenge as i thought...

At some point or another, when Ubuntu becomes snap-only (they are releasing such a version for desktop for 24.04), its going to have a detrimental impact on Debian. Worse still, it may come to a point where Debian may have to be forked more completely, and not just a handful of packages like it is right now. That's gonna be a nightmare...

edited for correctness, thanks @fsmithred

Why is this *not* surprising? Leave it to these two muppets to do something like that. But you are correct, we would have to surgically extract these packages from the systemd source tarball Debian provides in order to properly use them standalone in Devuan, not to mention a shim for the kernel-install function. The latter should be reasonably straightforward with a shell script, but I worry that gummiboot may be too deeply entangled in systemd to be fully separable from it now. It would take work on the level of elogind or eudev, and that's not a one or two person job.

@golinux I'm referring to what i see on this page:
https://packages.debian.org/sid/systemd-boot-efi

It shows at the top of the page that this package comes from the main Debian systemd package source. This package happens to be one of the dependencies of systemd-boot, hence why I raised my concern. It also appears that the main systemd-boot package is dependent on the systemd shared private library.

Huh, nice to see Xorg is still being worked on upstream to some extent, in spite of some of the Devs working on wayland.

Remember folks....don't drink and Devuan

Could also very well be the fact that systemd was not designed with single core laptops in mind, Poettering was always insistent on designing around the latest and greatest...Devuan vs. Debian is night and day on my inspiron 1100 laptop sporting a pentium 4