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#451 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Alternative browser for Devuan/Debian - Brave » 2023-11-11 13:01:28

Impressions from using Brave.
1. During installation, a repository is added and then installed, uninstalled, and updated like a regular deb package, without unnecessary procedures.
2. Brave Rewards, these same tokens, can be disabled, as well as third-party cookies can be blocked.
3. It works without problems and is quite fast.

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#452 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Strategies to deal with .xsession-errors » 2023-11-11 07:53:52

That's all well and good, but who is your computer trying to communicate with? smile

This is webrtc - like skype in the browser, and SSRC is the synchronization source, roughly speaking, the old contact.

Regards.

#453 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Firefox no sound. » 2023-11-10 09:26:29

Report about apulse in the middle of the thread.

#454 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Fujitsu Lifebook U728 + Devuan 4 » 2023-11-09 08:17:30

I had a bad experience using refracta.
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=40379#p40379

Therefore, it is safer to format “/” in advance and first install the entire OS along with /home on this partition, and then move to /home on another disk.

#455 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Firefox no sound. » 2023-11-09 07:54:00

Thanks guys for your participation.

I probably didn't convey the point well.
I repeat, on the same computer, with the same DE, the same version of FF in one OS, the sound works through ALSA, on the other it does not.

It's not a matter of DE, there is no sound in the failsafe session.
It's not a matter of settings, I copied the FF profile from openSuse to Devuan, the browser started with it, but again there was no sound.

In itself, this is not a problem for me, there are working alternatives to FF and install crutches in the form of pulse, etc. I won't.
  I'm interested in the fact itself

Regards.

#456 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Fujitsu Lifebook U728 + Devuan 4 » 2023-11-08 19:52:50

The OS must be installed on a clean, formatted “/” partition.
Nothing good will come from a mixture of the old installation and the new one.

#457 Re: Devuan » Debian Farm? » 2023-11-08 12:48:56

Quote from Debian Bug report logs - #1055463
"... Debian has been Canonical's changing room since then..."
Is this our future?
https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/08/ … p_details/

#458 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Firefox no sound. » 2023-11-08 07:02:51

LinuxMan wrote:

Seems you have vaapitest error

VA-API is enabled by default for Intel GPUs - For other GPUs, set media.ffmpeg.vaapi.enabled to true in about:config

Firefox uses PulseAudio for audio playback and capture. If PulseAudio is not installed, Firefox uses ALSA instead. Note that by default, Firefox blocks all media with sound from playing automatically
Select the Privacy & Security panel and go down to the Permissions section
(or enter autoplay in the Find in Settings search box

 media.ffmpeg.vaapi.enabled  

I tried it before
There was no sound.
And these are the autoplay settings
10.jpg

Regards.

#459 Re: DIY » So I guess there's no getting around having to use GTK3 and Wayland? » 2023-11-08 06:36:15

All this, with the exception of the familiar Mate interface, is already ready.
It's called bionicpup64-8.0 (there is also a 32 bit version).

This is right after loading

 root# free
              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:        3326652      116372     1777872      748580     1432408     2171352
Swap:       4095996           0     4095996
root# uname -a
Linux puppypc31264 4.19.23 #1 SMP Tue Feb 19 15:07:58 GMT 2019 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
root#  

#460 Re: DIY » So I guess there's no getting around having to use GTK3 and Wayland? » 2023-11-07 18:31:47

For example, vlc requires libgtk-3.so.0.

P.S.
Of course it's up to you, your computer...
But, if you make a minimal set of programs, then why do you need Conky?
The computer itself works great without our constant control, but it’s not a steam engine. smile

Regards.

#461 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Firefox no sound. » 2023-11-07 09:49:14

That's great, but what does it have to do with Firefox?

Regards.

#462 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Firefox no sound. » 2023-11-06 10:43:27

I've already tried it with apulse, the effect is even more interesting.
Immediately after loading the OS we launch

exec apulse firefox

This information appears

 Audio Backend	pulse-rust
Max Channels	2
Preferred Sample Rate	44100
Roundtrip latency (standard deviation)	...
Codec Support Information	H264 SW
VP8 SW
VP9 SW
AV1 SW
Theora SW
AAC SW
FLAC SW
MP3 SW
Opus SW
Vorbis SW
Wave SW
Output Devices
Name 	Group 	Vendor 	State 	Preferred 	Format 	Channels 	Rate 	Latency
default and only sink			Enabled	All	default: S16LE, support: S16LE S16BE F32LE F32BE	2	default: 44100, support: 1 - 384000	0 - 0
Input Devices
Name 	Group 	Vendor 	State 	Preferred 	Format 	Channels 	Rate 	Latency
default_source_name			Enabled	All	default: S16LE, support: S16LE S16BE F32LE F32BE	2	default: 44100, support: 1 - 384000	0 - 0 

We load the youtube page, there is no sound, moreover, the sound from other programs disappears.

If you first start playing vlc, for example, then its sound is there, but after the subsequent launch of FF with apulse, it loses information about codecs.

 Audio Backend	pulse-rust
Max Channels	2
Preferred Sample Rate	44100
Roundtrip latency (standard deviation)	...
Codec Support Information	
Output Devices
Name 	Group 	Vendor 	State 	Preferred 	Format 	Channels 	Rate 	Latency
default and only sink			Enabled	All	default: S16LE, support: S16LE S16BE F32LE F32BE	2	default: 44100, support: 1 - 384000	0 - 0
Input Devices
Name 	Group 	Vendor 	State 	Preferred 	Format 	Channels 	Rate 	Latency
default_source_name			Enabled	All	default: S16LE, support: S16LE S16BE F32LE F32BE	2	default: 44100, support: 1 - 384000	0 - 0
 

vlc continues playing, FF is silent

#463 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Firefox no sound. » 2023-11-05 18:48:30

I downloaded the latest firefox...tar.gz from the mozilla site, the result is the same, no sound device, no sound.
Аnd Brave, another Chrome based one, works with ALSA without problems on two computers.

#464 Desktop and Multimedia » [SOLVED] Firefox no sound. » 2023-11-05 17:09:49

aluma
Replies: 26

The computer has two OSes - openSuse 15.4 and Daedalus.
Both are only from ALSA, without pulseaudio.

The FF versions are the same, but openSuse has sound in the browser, but Daedalus does not.
Other Daedalus programs have sound, incl. and in the Brave browser.

There is no sound device defined in the FF Daedalus settings.
Here are the screenshots
Daedalus
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openSuse
11.jpg

Can anyone suggest a solution?

#465 Re: Off-topic » "Human" interfaces. » 2023-11-04 19:38:35

The-Amnesiac-Philosopher wrote:

It's the only F'n manual that I could find. I read it like 69 times, but I never could find the answer to my Linux questions...
tongue

Probably there was no “human” interface. smile

#466 Re: Off-topic » "Human" interfaces. » 2023-11-04 17:23:30

The-Amnesiac-Philosopher wrote:

...Some folks just need help...

We were all newbies once.
But sometimes we step on our own tail! smile
Even now, after more than 20 years of using Linux, I, to my shame, do not remember the CLI commands and have to open man.
And if it is possible to use a GUI, I would rather use it.
So maybe it would be more correct to suggest this path to a neophyte than to force him to study RTFM?

OpenSuse has a wonderful Yast, Pclinux has a system configurator, maybe they care more about the convenience of users and we should follow their example?

greenjeans wrote:

Because my computer is like me, it's old, tired, and low-spec, lol.

And fyi, my current MATE desktop runs almost 700 mb of ram at idle, while my older Openbox Vuu-do system runs around 128 mb at idle and is waaaaaaaay faster at everything.

This is Devuan with Trinity 14.2 default, standard kernel, with Chimaera it was 100 MB less (I posted it somewhere on the forum earlier).

  root@aa:~# ps_mem
 Private  +   Shared  =  RAM used       Program

100.0 KiB +  16.5 KiB = 116.5 KiB       start_tdeinit
128.0 KiB +   6.5 KiB = 134.5 KiB       acpi_fakekeyd
120.0 KiB +  27.5 KiB = 147.5 KiB       kwrapper
136.0 KiB +  14.5 KiB = 150.5 KiB       uuidd
104.0 KiB +  87.5 KiB = 191.5 KiB       sh
188.0 KiB +  18.5 KiB = 206.5 KiB       gpm
160.0 KiB +  52.5 KiB = 212.5 KiB       tde_dbus_hardwarecontrol
140.0 KiB +  87.5 KiB = 227.5 KiB       x-session-manag
196.0 KiB +  33.5 KiB = 229.5 KiB       acpid
220.0 KiB +  57.5 KiB = 277.5 KiB       init
296.0 KiB +  66.5 KiB = 362.5 KiB       cron
312.0 KiB +  62.5 KiB = 374.5 KiB       dbus-launch
  1.1 MiB +  15.5 KiB =   1.1 MiB       ssh-agent
624.0 KiB + 482.5 KiB =   1.1 MiB       su
876.0 KiB + 290.0 KiB =   1.1 MiB       dbus-daemon (2)
556.0 KiB + 838.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB       tdm (2)
912.0 KiB + 486.0 KiB =   1.4 MiB       getty (6)
  1.8 MiB +  72.5 KiB =   1.8 MiB       elogind-daemon
  1.8 MiB +  86.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB       sshd
  1.7 MiB + 187.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB       bash
  1.2 MiB + 693.5 KiB =   1.9 MiB       kaccess
780.0 KiB +   1.2 MiB =   2.0 MiB       dcopserver
  2.3 MiB +  22.5 KiB =   2.3 MiB       udevd
  1.9 MiB + 530.5 KiB =   2.4 MiB       khotkeys
  2.1 MiB +   1.4 MiB =   3.5 MiB       cupsd
  2.7 MiB + 885.5 KiB =   3.6 MiB       klipper
  2.1 MiB +   1.5 MiB =   3.7 MiB       tdeinit_phase1
  3.1 MiB +   1.8 MiB =   5.0 MiB       knotify
  3.5 MiB +   1.5 MiB =   5.0 MiB       artsd
  4.3 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   5.5 MiB       wpa_supplicant
  5.0 MiB +   1.0 MiB =   6.0 MiB       kxkb
  3.9 MiB +   2.3 MiB =   6.1 MiB       kded
  4.7 MiB +   1.5 MiB =   6.2 MiB       ksmserver
  5.4 MiB +   1.2 MiB =   6.6 MiB       tdenetworkmanag
  6.2 MiB +   1.4 MiB =   7.6 MiB       tdehwdevicetray
  6.9 MiB +   2.9 MiB =   9.8 MiB       kdesktop_lock
  8.6 MiB +   1.5 MiB =  10.1 MiB       kmix
  8.1 MiB +   2.1 MiB =  10.2 MiB       kdesktop
 10.9 MiB +   1.2 MiB =  12.0 MiB       NetworkManager
 11.0 MiB +   1.8 MiB =  12.8 MiB       kicker
 12.1 MiB +   1.3 MiB =  13.4 MiB       ntpd
 13.6 MiB +   6.7 MiB =  20.3 MiB       tdeinit (8)
 12.8 MiB +  11.4 MiB =  24.3 MiB       python3.11 (2)
 35.8 MiB +   7.8 MiB =  43.6 MiB       hp-systray
 67.8 MiB +   1.4 MiB =  69.2 MiB       Xorg
---------------------------------
                        307.1 MiB
=================================
root@aa:~#    

My computers are also more than Google's 10 years old. But today the question is no longer in the OS itself, but in browsers. Everyone wants YouTube (by the way, Chrom based browsers are preferable for the latter on old computers, their codec is faster, Google’s monopolists...) and saving memory on DE is becoming irrelevant.

Best regards guys.

#467 Off-topic » "Human" interfaces. » 2023-11-04 14:00:56

aluma
Replies: 8

Thoughts out loud from reading a thread " How to set default desktop?"

"Human" DE, for example TDE, has a session  manager with a bunch of features, incl. and a choice of installed desktops.
Yes, it may take up more memory.

But here are the specific numbers of used physical memory:
  tdm 7.8 Mb
Firefox with 3 tabs 1060 Mb

The question is, why bother installing a “naked” dm  (and all sorts of other “light” DE, etc.)  , then manually editing the config files?

A "normal" DE for the average user should have a GUI for configuration. And programmers working with the CLI already know everything themselves and don’t ask questions on forums. smile

#468 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » no sound on gnuinos » 2023-11-03 16:43:38

I'm not an alsa guru, just my understanding of the situation.
In the file /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf there are lines

  defaults.ctl.card 0
defaults.pcm.card 0
defaults.pcm.device 0

  Therefore, if there is only one sound card, then the /etc/asound.conf file is not needed to select it.
The sound on my desktop with one card works without this file.

The netbook has two audio devices - HDMI and the actual sound card. Hdmi is defined as the first device, so to output sound to a speaker or headphones you need this same selection file /etc/asound.conf.

Here we can add that due to the flexibility of alsa settings in different wiki there are different tips, including placing the contents of the selection file (/etc/asound.conf) in the home directory under the name /.asoundrc.
This will work if all other settings in  /usr/share/alsa/alsa.conf   are are suitable for the specific case.

#469 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » no sound on gnuinos » 2023-11-01 12:56:47

aitor wrote:

Does amixer-gtk work with plughw, or are you using qasmixer instead? The ALSA amixer command doesn't work in my computer with this device:

$ amixer -D plughw
ALSA lib control.c:1528:(snd_ctl_open_noupdate) Invalid CTL plughw
amixer: Mixer attach plughw error: No such file or directory

I use TDE DE, so there is kmix. We have our own arts sound server.
Just ran the command

aplay -D plughw:1,0 Noise.wav 

And everything worked.
Before that, I added the /etc/asound.conf file and edited the files in my home directory. Their content is in the post above.

Edit. Essentially kmix-GUI amixer if arts works through alsa.

Edit. Using the same method, I returned sound without pulseaudio on my desktop with Audigy2.

#470 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » no sound on gnuinos » 2023-11-01 09:09:41

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

You'd probably be better off playing on "plughw" rather than "hw" as it includes audio format translations...

Thank you very much, you are right!
I take my words back.
"plughw" works, after this command the sound from alsa started working.

Regards.

#471 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » no sound on gnuinos » 2023-11-01 07:04:18

Maybe I'm wrong, but in my opinion it's not a matter of settings.

The desktop with Audigy2 under Chimaera worked with alsa out of the box, but after updating to Daedalus it stopped.

And this is a netbook with Daedalus

root@AA:/etc# cat /proc/asound/cards
 0 [Generic        ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic
                      HD-Audio Generic at 0xf0244000 irq 27
 1 [SB             ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB
                      HDA ATI SB at 0xf0240000 irq 16

uly_e@AA:~$ cat /etc/asound.conf
defaults.pcm.card 1
defaults.ctl.card 1

@AA:~$ aplay -D hw:1,0 Noise.wav
Playing WAVE 'Noise.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 48000 Hz, Mono
aplay: set_params:1358: Channels count non available
 
uly_e@AA:~$ cat ./.alsactl.conf
#
# ALSA library configuration file for alsactl tool
# (/usr/share/alsa tree is not necessary for alsactl)
#

ctl.hw {
        @args [ CARD ]
        @args.CARD {
                type string
                default "1"
        }
        type hw
        card $CARD
}

uly_e@AA:~$ cat ./.asoundrc
pcm.!default {
  type hw
  card 1
             }

ctl.!default {
   type hw
  card 1
             }

#472 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] Fujitsu Lifebook U728 + Devuan 4 » 2023-10-29 17:47:07

This reads like a thriller! smile

I apologize, I don’t have a Fujitsu Lifebook U728, but on my Lenovo s205 I deleted all the Win partitions, formatted it under MBR and installed Linux (different).

In my experience, the success of the installation depends on the combination of the BIOS-method of writing to a flash drive-installation program. I can give an example with Slackware, when its live clone was installed without problems, but I was never able to launch live Slackware itself.
 
Fujitsu Lifebook U728 is certified by Suse, I think any other Linux should work.
https://suse.com/nbswebapp/yesBulletin. … ber=146983

Why not try downloading any Devuan live image and play with it before installing?
As a long-time follower of Kde-Tde, I used Exe GNU/Linux, it works out of the box.

Regards.

#473 Re: Off-topic » Building a standard kernel for a specific computer. » 2023-10-27 18:41:05

boughtonp wrote:

Uh... 68M is the directory size? There's two kernels in there.

Stock: 7.7M kernel + 37M initrd = 44.7M
Custom: 5.3M kernel + 14M initrd = 19.3M

Anyone excited by that may also want to check out TinyCoreLinux.

Thanks I got it.
Yes, you have defined everything correctly.

Regareds.

#474 Re: Off-topic » Building a standard kernel for a specific computer. » 2023-10-27 17:41:50

@greenjeans

Glad to welcome you!
I'm sorry, I don't quite understand what 68 mb you're talking about.

Regards.

#475 Re: Off-topic » Building a standard kernel for a specific computer. » 2023-10-27 12:45:46

I'm a regular user, not a programmer.
It takes more time to create the .config file, developers make their work easier, there are many items that are needed to display debugging information, etc.

For me, it's almost like deciphering hieroglyphs. Kdif helps, indicating the boundary in the files, and the

mrproper

command, which returns the source codes to their original state.

This is my final version for Dedalus (vmlinuz-6.1.55-s205, initrd.img-6.1.55-s205)

 uly_e@AA:/boot$ ls -lh
total 68M
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 254K Jul 27 20:28 config-6.1.0-10-amd64
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 178K Oct 26 13:33 config-6.1.55-s205
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4.0K Oct 26 19:26 grub
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  37M Oct  8 21:52 initrd.img-6.1.0-10-amd64
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root  14M Oct 26 17:02 initrd.img-6.1.55-s205
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   83 Jul 27 20:28 System.map-6.1.0-10-amd64
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.0M Oct 26 13:33 System.map-6.1.55-s205
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7.7M Jul 27 20:28 vmlinuz-6.1.0-10-amd64
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5.3M Oct 26 13:33 vmlinuz-6.1.55-s205
uly_e@AA:/boot$ uname -a
Linux AA 6.1.55-s205 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Oct 26 16:33:50 EEST 2023 x86_64 GNU/Linux
uly_e@AA:/boot$

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