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GMOs should be avoided in products that directly effect the body, such as lotions, food, shampoo, water, deodorant.
As for technology, can't avoid it lol.
Wayland is much like systemd, in the sense that its being forced down people's throats when the better thing to do would be to send it packing. Bullies tend to force stuff down peoples' throats.
Systemd
dbus
wayland
pulseaudio
pipewire
avahi
networkmanager
java
etc...
When something depends on a library connected to the above yet would work otherwise if the devs weren't so stupid and made it a forced dependency despite not needing it, that is a sign that you are dealing with a bully trying to manipulate and control you into using what they want you to use when they should just get lost instead.
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Pardon me for asking, but are you the same athenian, who develops epyrus?
I became curious when I saw your username for that reason.
Btw, I don't see a benefit to wayland either. These problems that they are trying to fix, could have been solved if they hadn't kept adding bloated linux frameworks and instead designed efficient lean, applications made with intelligence in mind IN the FIRST PLACE!
Emphasis I felt was needed, bloat makes problems inevitably a hundred times worse. Screw you redhat! Screw you corporations!
Seriously though, this is like web 2.0 and web 3.0, nobody needs javascript or java built into the web. Nor does anyone need novices building the web.
If you want something like the web, linux frameworks such as wayland done right, have an expert do it.
There is zero reason we should have all these security crucial stuff built by greedy simpletons who code as well as I can. The difference being, I admit I cannot develop code well and they have a tiny amount of skill but don't admit how terrible they are.
Btw, in case anyone responds, that a reason is for profit, that they feel like its a good reason. No...
greed justifies nothing. Money is an illusionary reason why something needs to be done. Its a false reason with no purpose.
This being said, I don't like the future of linux right now. I almost wonder if stuff like my usb mouse, doesn't work because it requires some framework that I detest to make it work.
Dropping X11 for wayland is just another drop in the bucket called idiocracy
How fast does a raspberry pi 5 run off of a micro sd card btw? I know how sluggish the first one is, but I don't know how fast the other four/five are, depends if you including the zero. ![]()
I should probably mention, I gave up. But if your curious as to if I ran root, no.
Also, no idea of wayland was causing the problem or not... but its weird, Hyperbola 0.4.4, a lot less packages and by default the usb mouse worked, but in Devuan 12 which has many newer packages, not so much.
Its bonkers...
Maybe I needed xfce or mate though?
Idk... so weird.
But since I stopped gaming again, it matters not.
openrc less than 20K vs systemd 790K
Facepalm.jpeg
Aye...
almost 40x bigger...
simply amazing...
in all the wrong ways though...
@quickfur tokens?
1 million lines of code is very damn excessive. Actually, I was wrong, openrc has less than 20K lines of code currently. 1/5 of the limit I had said.
less than 100k?
Nah, its less than 20K
Hmm... thats weird, it looks like systemd must have been getting stuff torn out, because i see it has 790K
https://openhub.net/p?page=6&query=init
But yeah, 790K is still massively unreasonable.
@quickfur point taken, but either way, would be surprised if the more complex code didn't have more lines of code usually.
Systemd for example has 1 million lines of code vs openrc which has like less than 100000 lines of code.
Its like wtf lol.
Someone asked me if I wanted to go to starbucks but I told them, I don't have that type of currency!
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Whoa... "Gnome" and "minimalist", in the same sentence...
I think I need to sit down. big_smile
Gnome and minimalism go together like the idea of drinking sewer water and being healthy go in the same sentence.
aka, an oxymoron.
Btw, what determines if something is minimalistic is how much it taxes the system on ram and cpu, more than the line of code.
Although, if you have complex code and a lot of it being used, the ram usage and cpu usage is bound to go WAY UP.
So... yeah.
Feel free to disagree, but that's my view.
@quickfur maybe show me a comparison then? I am curious. Probably have to be a vm though. ![]()
@chomwitt yeah, mnt reform looks interesting. As for the rms witch hunt, it is definitely suspicious that gnome devs, redhat and microsoft were the main groups that signed that letter. Some debian people too, but they were the minority if i recall correctly. Also google as well.
Right, like I will ever trust proprietary software vendors to make good judgment calls.
As for searx, it can be used without google as one of the feeds.
@quickfur it might be better though. I think it is probably lighter on resources for sure. I recall JWM is supposedly written some what in lisp.
Nevermind, its written in C, interesting.
@golinux just to respond to your comment to mine, that does seem random. Although so does the second comment to be honest.
@quickfur honestly, don't think Google has better search results than DuckDuckgo. Maybe the meta search engine searx, it might, I don't know.
The more time passes, the more I wonder if they haven't made it worse. I hear they filter search results based on their own motives and they block access to older pages after a certain point. Not sure how many search engines do that, but duckduckgo, has always had similar if not better results.
You can do what you please of course, but like golinux said, they are a destructive evil corporation that doesn't need to be fed. I lost some faith in humanity when I saw 70% of the world uses Google as their search engine.
Like the world isn't feeding their data towers enough... and by doing so, hurting the environment and I think every time that is done, people's brains over time deteriorate due to the climate.
But yeah, on a positive note, very entertaining gibberish I will say.
@golinux (again) Btw, when I said 2nd comment, I meant on the link you mentioned, ie, soren's comment.
@golinux now I am curious where he made this post, if its in deuvan only threads, then I probably will laugh.
lol.
@quickfur
Where in the hell did this originally get posted? I want to have a good laugh and I bet this will provide one.
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Actually, I re-read your posts and it already sounds like verbal diarrhoea as it is.
Well played if you like gibberish.
I laughed a bunch
Yeah, I am gonna go on a limb and say that, ratpoison must take patience to learn to use, given that a mouse isn't used.
Btw, I don't use a touchpad or mouse, I use a trackpoint ![]()
Which does function like a mouse. ![]()
Speaking of which, I wonder when auto-cpufreq will be in stable for debian/devuan.
auto-cpufreq is very efficient supposedly and yet, it doesn't appear to be in stable.
I checked further and it isn't even in debian period...
so weird.
I see, that sounds about right.
I like JWM because of the desktop look and still having the blessings of i3-wm where key bindings exist, etc...
Also, the ability to start up applications when you log into JWM. i3-wm can do that as well ofc.
Long story short, these things are really awesome features to me.
When I think of "modern" I think of LXQT, LXDE, MATE AND EVEN MORE SO, Cinnamon, GNOME, KDE, BUDGIE, UNITY, UKUI and other similar or more bloated desktops.
Whoever thought the tablet look was a good idea, has rocks in their head more than brains. Just sayin...
Okay, but JWM has very low cpu usage and memory usage.
But that being said, there might be others that use less memory, not sure about cpu though.
@alexkemp I doubt that was what was meant by "adult"
But responsible adult might be better than just adult?
Because responsibility implies mature behaviour and not all people are mature.
Golinux would agree with this a billion fold, I am sure as he already said something on this forum.
@golinux feel free to correct me tho if there is anything off kilter.
Sounds good to me.
@trinitdad lol is that one old.
@quickfur I actually do have some keybindings set up also at the same time. So... I am doing both!
Would not making an unused partition with 30MB cause it not to boot properly? meaning no display?
Seems that was the problem, I only used 99% of the disk and I had no issues from there.
@quickfur I only use JWM its both very fast and low memory usage. I feel like it uses the least cpu power of any of the wm or de.
Btw, the difference between JWM and other window managers? It has a nice bottom panel even without jwmkit, but with jwmkit, its 100x better still.
It really don't use much cpu power or ram as said even then.