I think both LX are built on top of openbox.  But lxde has nothing to do with lxqt.  Lxqt is inspired by LXDE and built with QT so once qt is fully ported to other systems you can have the same environment on MS or Apple.  I think. LXDE is extremely efficient and low on resources for a full gui desktop, look up resource use and it scores slightly higher than openbox, i3, jwf?, and such blackscreen desktops.  LXDE is refined to its maximum while LXQT is fresh and sometimes buggy.  I don't like it but I installed in a ftiends corrupt windows machine and she has been very happy   She gets daily update verifications popping up and she thinks something may be broken if she doesn't get one in the morning.

Sometimes it is what you get used to seeing and working with.  To me kde is an eyshore, and gnome is an MS8 poor copy.  I did try cinammon once but it was so flaky and buggy I removed it within a day or two. I always liked openbox but some things were a bit of a pain.  After I explored in the gadgetry that miyo and vuu-do introduced me too, I can hardly get out of it.  I have even transformed other openbox systems to resemble miyo-vuu-do.

This is the beauty of linux, we can all run the same system and make it look as something totally different. This bug of input devices freezing up is a first for me and I always picked hardware from massive production runs that bugs for have been ironed out.  If a cheap wire Logitech mouse freezes up or a generix keyboard,  it makes you wonder.

I thought I had seen a note before that udev in Devuan is really eudev in disguise, am I wrong?  Had I seen  this elsewhere?  .... here it is https://talk.devuan.org/t/eudev-a-real- … udev/589/2

*edit* Removed the nasty line breaks to make it more readable.  @fungus - Please do not post by copying from an editor with a fixed line length

At least you are trying things, I have given up.
What do you mean with ""invoke-rc.d could not determine runlevel" "
Where would I see it?

I edited what was mistyped as non-english (is instead of if)

This is on ceres

# Xwrapper.config (Debian X Window System server wrapper configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by the post-installation script of the x11-common
# package using values from the debconf database.
#
# See the Xwrapper.config(5) manual page for more information.
#
# This file is automatically updated on upgrades of the x11-common package
# *only* if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of that package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command as root:
#   dpkg-reconfigure x11-common
allowed_users=console

This is on ascii

# Xwrapper.config (Debian X Window System server wrapper configuration file)
#
# This file was generated by the post-installation script of the x11-common
# package using values from the debconf database.
#
# See the Xwrapper.config(5) manual page for more information.
#
# This file is automatically updated on upgrades of the x11-common package
# *only* if it has not been modified since the last upgrade of that package.
#
# If you have edited this file but would like it to be automatically updated
# again, run the following command as root:
#   dpkg-reconfigure x11-common
allowed_users=console

Go ahead, write one up and I'll post it
I still don't know much of the difference between mx and antix
If I am not mistaken their approach has been different than devuan's in that they have restricted systemd but have not completely gotten rid of it.

the problem now appears on my ascii installation just the same as it started on ceres 3 days ago

ceres is just a single line on sources.list, no update, no security, or anything else.

vuu-do article
sysdfree.wordpress.com/109/

https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/106/

Vuu-Do is the next victim

Hey, cabin man?
I just thought of somthing.  What if conky or some other gadget that initiates during openbox login, spikes up memory and causes the freeze, is it possible to have a script on the live part that would scan for a swap partition and use it?  Having an fstab entry for say /dev/sdb /swap ..... would work for most people with 32bit single disk systems, but it will cause an error on anyone else.  Then after putting the iso to a usb stick on the free part one can create one swap partition before use on a 32bit system.  Otherwise the script may look for an existing swap partition in the hd, if it already exists.

Just a thought.  Nobody wants to waste bandwidth to download a swap partition or swapfile, but that would be the easiest way around it.

I was hoping that today's update may bring me a gift and fix what is broken, but no.
It is not just mouse it is keyboard too.  They both create a lock when lightdm starts.
Pulling the usb plugs and plugging them back frees up the lock and everything works well.
So it all happens at boot and affects the DM.  Console works fine!

I had checked before and the uploads were still there on previous use, but now it seems that the whole site is down.

Here they are:
https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/greensplash
https://sysdfree.wordpress.com/dev1bg0

While my Devuan is sick I thought I'd fire up my "Art"ix and do some art work

I heard your proposal so I am starting up the fire.  No better firestarter than some bad images so people will say "I can do better than that".