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#1 Re: Packaging for Devuan » Deborphan - why is it not listed? » Today 11:02:52

Along with Orphaner, I think it got deprecated by Debian indefinitely, as nothing exists past Bookworm sans Sid for RISC-V. You could try to install it from Daedalus.

I just use Debfoster now.

#2 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » GTK2 Revival thread » 2026-04-29 23:51:18

Figured I'd bump this, what with lots of media outlets reporting on this new fork. Most of the discussions are taking place at the Devuan Users Forum (an unofficial community for Devuan and other non-Systemd GNU/Linux and *BSD users) here.

Phoronix and even DistroWatch.com have already reported on this. Bryan Lunduke has also posted his video on this.

#3 Re: Devuan Derivatives » MX_Devuan_KDE_dinit » 2026-04-26 22:33:33

nathan2423 wrote:

In the Devuan world is there anything that needs to be done to add firmware or otherwise make sure that wireless cards are detected?  I have not had that problem lately with this computer I am working with with debian or artix or arch installations.

Try enabling non-free-firmware if you haven't yet (shown example line below):

deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ excalibur main contrib non-free non-free-firmware

Update your repositorites, and then install the particular firmware package(s) you need. Things like firmware-iwlwifi (Intel), firmware-brcm80211 (Broadcom/Cypress 802.11), firmware-realtek (Realtek), and so on. Follow the same steps that worked for you in Debian, as they should be the same in Devuan. This respin appears to be using NetworkManager, so these firmware packages should work just fine if the hardware matches. It just depends on what your system's wireless card is for it to work. For example, I recently bought 802.11 USB wireless card adapters for my laptops that struggle to connect without one (the aforementioned firmware-brcm80211 didn't support it), and had to rely on building a driver from this repository, since none of the firmware packages I installed were working.

#4 Re: Devuan Derivatives » MX_Devuan_KDE_dinit » 2026-04-24 07:14:51

nathan2423 wrote:

I would very much like access to the MX Tools, especially including snapshot capability.

Have a look at this thread posted at the Debian forums.

Do note that this guide was originally posted in early 2020, so you'll have to change "buster" on the repository sources to "trixie" if using stable (which Excalibur is based on), "forky" if using testing, and so on. It's also not recommended to add third-party repositories to Devuan-based systems in general, in case of build conflicts with any of the distro's banned packages list.

But, give it a shot, and report back if any issues occur.

#5 Re: Off-topic » Fluxer a Discord clone? » 2026-04-23 00:17:37

Why not just stick with IRC, XMPP, Mumble, Jitsi Meet, and a ton of other decentralized, privacy-respecting (as much as possible) FLOSS communication protocols?

#6 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] No repo will have me because I don't have any keyrings! » 2026-04-22 21:20:54

Couldn't you just install or overwrite the official keyring DEB file?

wget http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEVUAN/main/d/devuan-keyring/devuan-keyring_2025.08.09_all.deb
sudo dpkg -i devuan-keyring_2025.08.09_all.deb

I haven't tried, since I don't want to go through all the fuckery introduced in Trixie. You also have to install UsrMerge before you even change your repositories over to Excalibur.

#7 Re: Devuan » Devuan completely without systemd? » 2026-04-19 02:54:16

You can definitely remove or disable Elogind itself. You might have a harder time using a computer without the libraries most "conventional" packages are built against. ConsoleKit2 and Seatd can both help out more, plus the dummy Logind package (dummy-logind) that Devuan has made available since Daedalus. Since I need incremental RSYNC backups from Timeshift and Back in Time, Polkitd must be kept. Still, it's nice to have KDE and Network Manager functioning without any issues without an existing Elogind process (again, only the libraries are kept to avoid breaking the entire system).

Eudev is still a problem. I also personally removed Udisks2 and now use Udevil for automatic USB mounting as a non-root user (you can optionally use SpaceFM as an extra safety cushion).

As of Trixie, Debian has made it harder to remove or replace ALL parts of Systemd, never mind D-Bus (which is completely impossible to rip out and still have a functional computer). Devuan simply follows Debian's steps and applies its own blacklists regarding packages that have a hard dependency on Systemd. Elogind is used in place.

The only other Debian-based distro that has gone the great lengths to remove or lessen the impacts of Systemd or Elogind would be antiX.

#9 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » AppImage Package Manager. » 2026-04-17 23:55:03

ralph.ronnquist wrote:

As long as I can just click a button and it just works!

Mmm... Not quite.

chmod a+x /path/to/file.appimage

They will work then.

#10 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » AppImage Package Manager. » 2026-04-17 19:03:08

I've also been a vocal proponent of AppImages. If I can't use a working DEB file or compile it from source successfully, AppImages are nice to have for both portability and security (i.e. not having it interfere at all with your system data). Zero complaints.

#11 Re: DIY » ALSA-only purists: Question, new GUI app for the mixer and EQ? » 2026-04-15 21:53:05

Greenjeans already clarified he didn't hardcode any of that "inaccessibility" crap, and he did say he'll look into it, simply because he wants to help. It mainly comes down to which theme you use, as Rations mentioned. Wanting to cater to the visually impaired is nice and all, but it's not "mandatory", and hardly at all the end of the world because the current theme in use made it harder for you to tell things apart. That MATE screenshot was way more evident of visual issues.

The "historical relationship" is a moot point when you're just nitpicking over a theme's color and contrast defaults. That's why you can change it. Not a big deal.

#12 Re: DIY » ALSA-only purists: Question, new GUI app for the mixer and EQ? » 2026-04-15 19:45:09

Are you volunteering to do the theming for the software? No? It's his software, let him do whatever he wants.

#13 Re: DIY » ALSA-only purists: Question, new GUI app for the mixer and EQ? » 2026-04-15 19:05:55

There is no one-size-fits-all theme, ever. People are still gonna complain. tongue

#14 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] how start ntp? » 2026-04-10 01:36:53

Have you tried dpkg-reconfigure tzdata?

#15 Re: Devuan » Seamless Devuan Project » 2026-04-10 01:29:12

@Daemonratte:

Consider using Devuan's official Git repository. That way, you ensure Micro$lop doesn't remove you for whatever reason, and your hard work isn't lost.

#16 Re: Devuan » Seamless Devuan Project » 2026-04-09 21:57:50

This is a good idea. Devuan's Runit and OpenRC (the latter I've never used, but have been informed on) implementations aren't as complete as other distros have theirs. I'd say even Slackware has a more pure SysVinit implementation.

Retroactive support for Chimaera and Daedalus is also a good idea, since there are many of us who have yet to switch to Excalibur and would appreciate more optimal service management in exchange.

#18 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Devuan Excalibur mate-mini + Xlibre! » 2026-04-07 20:57:59

No, mine also are grayed out for both shut down and reboot. That's why I use my custom logout script in place.

Assuming you also installed libseat1, have you tried to add your user to the video group? Something like seatd -g video as a superuser to fix that. I recall doing that to make Seatd work properly with X11. I have little to no issues with it. According to ps_mem.py, both ck-launch-session and seatd are in the running processes with a graphical session.

#19 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Devuan Excalibur mate-mini + Xlibre! » 2026-04-07 18:36:06

Are you running startxfce4 --with-ck-launch directly or from its contents in your ~/.xinitrc file? I use Xfce, and for the latter, that always works for me. Does it sound like an issue with Seatd permissions? There's also seatd-launch you could prepend to startx or startxfce4 --with-ck-launch. Also, for ConsoleKit2, I have the packages libck-connector0, libconsolekit1, and libpolkit-gobject-consolekit-1-0 installed alongside of it. I do not have libpam-ck-connector installed.

#20 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Devuan Excalibur mate-mini + Xlibre! » 2026-04-06 20:24:57

That's why I just use SpaceFM instead. Thunar is built to work with Udisks2, which works "best" with Elogind and whatnot.

If you add --with-ck-launch, ConsoleKit2 will be provisioning your X11 session.

#21 Re: Devuan Derivatives » Devuan Excalibur mate-mini + Xlibre! » 2026-04-06 19:04:30

I have no problems shutting down or rebooting with these YAD scripts:

For ~/bin/xfce4-logout:

#!/bin/bash

yad --window-icon=system-log-out --image="system-log-out" \
  --title "Log Out" \
  --text "What would you like to do?" \
  --button="_Lock:0" \
  --button="Log _Out:1" \
  --button="S_uspend:2" \
  --button="_Reboot:3" \
  --button="_Shut Down:4" \

ret=$?

[[ $ret -eq 4 ]] && gksu poweroff
[[ $ret -eq 3 ]] && gksu reboot
[[ $ret -eq 2 ]] && xflock4 && gksu pm-suspend
[[ $ret -eq 1 ]] && killall Xorg
[[ $ret -eq 0 ]] && xflock4

For the fake /usr/local/bin/gksu:

#!/bin/sh
set -e

if [ $(id -un) = root ] ; then
    exec "$@"
fi

if [ "$SUDO_ASKPASS" = "$0" ] ; then
    exec yad --entry --title="PASSWORD" --entry-label="$*" --hide-text
fi

exec env SUDO_ASKPASS="$0" sudo -A "$@"

As far as drive mounting goes, no issues with Udevil's Devmon running in the background. I removed Udisks2 entirely.

#22 Re: Installation » Sound doesn't work out of the box on Devuan Excalibur with Plasma DE » 2026-04-06 02:14:47

Elyon wrote:

The last time I checked Slackware it had no package manager and one had to download and install packages manually. But this was decades ago.

That may be true for pure Slackware (for better or for worse, depending on the user), but distros like Salix and Slackel have automatic dependency tracking. They use the slapt-get package manager, which is similar to apt-get in its usage. The main difference between Salix and Slackel is that Salix is based on Slackware 15.0 (with Xfce as the DE) and that Slackel is based on Slackware-current (with Openbox as the WM and MATE as the DE). They also package a lot of SlackBuilds exclusively on their repositories. I highly recommend giving either of those two distros a shot.

#23 Re: Installation » Sound doesn't work out of the box on Devuan Excalibur with Plasma DE » 2026-04-05 21:36:06

Or even Slackware, where KDE Plasma support is at least miles better than any Debian-based distro with it (although I guess you could say Kubuntu is OK if you don't mind Canonicalslop). Salix in particular is pretty good if you want something very similar to Devuan or antiX.

For the record, I don't like or want any PulseAudio or PipeWire -- I understand certain use cases for them, but pure ALSA is more than enough in my case. Alternatively, Sndio (which is the standard in OpenBSD).

#24 Re: Devuan » Devuan plugged on YouTube » 2026-04-02 17:58:45

Must be part of why the Artix forums got DDoS attacked the other day. They, along with Devuan and Slackware, have confirmed they will NOT "verify".

See also this page on GNU/Linux distros and other OSes that have spoken about it (so far).

#25 Re: Off-topic » Youtube videos 'not available' » 2026-04-02 03:12:32

Sounds like it's time to start using a VPN...

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