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#1 Other Issues » Another security concern » 2024-04-21 18:53:26

Micronaut
Replies: 3

Now that the hoopla about the attempted supply chain attack via LZMA/XZ has settled down somewhat, I'd like to ask about something else that has been concerning me for a while.

What about all these 'portable' application formats? AppImage/Flatpak/Snap are the ones I am currently aware of. There might be more? Aren't these self-contained systems all to themselves, that might contain anything? Is anyone auditing their contents?

They're called 'sandboxes', but that's only in relation to the dependencies. They don't seem to be isolated from the user environment. They seem to have full user access to the systems they are installed in. Granted, that's not the same thing as root, but wouldn't Trojan horses in Linux user land be just as dangerous as Trojan horses in Windows user land have been?

It looks to me like this is another way around many of the checks on malicious content, and I wonder if anyone is paying attention.

#2 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Reliability of desktop vs enterprise drives » 2024-03-17 20:49:59

The data sheets I have found show the enterprise drives as only marginally louder than the consumer drives of the same size. The larger any of them get, the louder. I guess that's a predictable consequence of more platters spinning at high speed.

It looks to me that the only issue I need to think about now is whether those 'cheap' enterprise drives on Amazon are very old OEM stock, manufactured further back than their warranty technically extends. Though I've seen the warranty on the consumer drives updated when you enter the purchase date on the registration site. Maybe WD is very confident of the shelf-life of their drives? If I get a five year warranty, how much does it matter when the drive was manufactured, I wonder?

#3 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Reliability of desktop vs enterprise drives » 2024-03-15 01:31:49

When I had the 1TB RE4 drives, I did notice there was a bit more clatter when the drive was doing something. Not catastrophic, just noticeable while the 'consumer drives' were hard to hear even when seeking and reading/writing. This was not disturbing. What would be a problem is a constant whine when they are in operation. I wouldn't expect that from any sort of modern HD, though, since noise is wasted energy. A drive that can be heard spinning is not likely to last long.

#4 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Reliability of desktop vs enterprise drives » 2024-03-14 21:45:13

Well, that tip alone makes it worthwhile to have asked for info here. smile According to this site:
https://nascompares.com/answer/list-of- … rives-hdd/
The drives I am looking at are CMR, not SMR. But many of those 'cheap' models, like the Red or Blue, do indeed use SMR.

My experience with WD drives in general has been good, but I always buy the high end, not the budget drives like Red or Blue. I had a set of four 1 TB RE4 drives, and still have 3 of them. One died very suddenly, but it was more than a decade old. Well past the warranty. When I moved up to 2 TB I bought the WD Black. Now I'm noticing the price difference again and I think the RE drives will be fine. Sure would like to know what the "Gold" designation means in the WD product line though. Never heard of it before finding that product.

#5 Hardware & System Configuration » Reliability of desktop vs enterprise drives » 2024-03-14 18:30:40

Micronaut
Replies: 11

It's about time to upgrade my storage, and I'm looking at HD prices. The consumer grade drives, like WD Caviar, have increased along with everything else in the current wave of inflation. A 4TB Caviar Black is running close to $150 now, up from about $120 a couple years ago. But the Enterprise are still pretty cheap and I'm wondering why. Does anyone have experience with the "RE" (Raid Enabled) or the "Gold" drives? What does the "Gold" rating mean?

https://www.amazon.com/Inch-Cache-Enter … 0090UEQ8I/

https://www.amazon.com/Gold-Enterprise- … 697A/?th=1

The prices for these are fluctuating, I suppose because of different sources from one day to the next. But they are consistently much cheaper than the "consumer" drives. Could this because of sheer age? Are they likely to be old stocks made a very long time ago? Or is it normal for enterprise drives to be significantly cheaper than the regular desktop drives? Are there important reasons not to use an enterprise drive in a desktop? My understanding was that RE drives have a shorter 'fail' timeout of sector errors because they are expected to be in an array ('raid' of course). Is there any other possible disadvantage of these for normal users? Any thoughts or experience are appreciated.

#6 Re: Freedom Hacks » To permanently block installation of Pulseaudio. » 2024-02-19 19:12:46

Probably a system service that didn't get the memo when you removed it. Is there a way to examine the 'script' in a .deb file and see all the actions taken? That might provide a clue to a setting somewhere that was not completely removed.

#7 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Upcoming browser changes » 2024-01-04 15:35:33

No, not like those. First of all, Debian wiki is notoriously slow to update. "https://wiki.debian.org/Chromium" still lists Bullseye as stable and Bookworm as testing. Second, that is 'current status' -- at least if it were in fact current. Plans for the future are not given. Not even the Chromium home page shows any info on how long they plan to support it on various distros. "https://www.chromium.org/developers/calendar/" ends in 2020. The blog is a series of advertisements, not useful info.

So why did I get a notice of pending loss of support on ONE copy of my various Devuan/Chimaera installs and who put it out?

#8 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Upcoming browser changes » 2024-01-03 22:57:10

More changes...

Over this past New Years weekend I update my various systems. All of them currently run Chimaera, as I always wait for the wrinkles to be worked out in the latest releases. smile Despite all of the systems running the same version of Devuan, and having Chromium installed (some also have Chrome), only one of the them gave me a warning about Chromium soon losing support on older versions of Debian. Not Devuan, but Debian. Since Devuan is based on Debian, though, I take this to be an important notice. I wonder why I didn't get it on all of the systems? Would different packages possibly be sent to systems running Chimaera based on other configuration details? And one of these packages had the warning?

I have since tried to find a 'roadmap' of Chromium development but cannot seem to find any clear info. Can someone tell me where to find a clear list of support dates for Chromium on various versions of Debian so I can figure out what this might mean?

#9 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » merged /usr » 2023-12-29 23:53:32

Just out of curiosity, what does this change break? Does it make certain things harder to do? Or reduce security? Or what?

#10 Re: News & Announcements » Shape of things to come? 8^° » 2023-12-28 18:03:09

At least some people are working on the broader problem:

https://www.theregister.com/2023/12/27/ … post_open/

What comes after open source? Bruce Perens is working on it

Interview Bruce Perens, one of the founders of the Open Source movement, is ready for what comes next: the Post-Open Source movement.

"I've written papers about it, and I've tried to put together a prototype license," Perens explains in an interview with The Register. "Obviously, I need help from a lawyer. And then the next step is to go for grant money."

Perens says there are several pressing problems that the open source community needs to address.

"First of all, our licenses aren't working anymore," he said. "We've had enough time that businesses have found all of the loopholes and thus we need to do something new. The GPL is not acting the way the GPL should have done when one-third of all paid-for Linux systems are sold with a GPL circumvention. That's RHEL."

...

#11 Re: Other Issues » New approaches to personal network privacy and security » 2023-12-08 18:59:21

The first thing I was thinking about was a new version of Proxomitron. It simply died due to losing support. The existing ad-block filters could work fine as separate programs, and not have to worry about 'browser security' restrictions. But I had forgotten about the change to HTTPS over the years. There is a very large infrastructure lock-in with that. Seems like there would be a disproportional effort needed to get any sort of 'proxy' ready to handle the certificates. May as well just write a new browser.

But that gets back to the problem with everything now being bound to Chrome's engine. Firefox is the last independent engine with any presence, and that is shrinking. I guess the coming controversy when ad-blockers get shut down will be the last chance for a resurgence of some sort.

#12 Other Issues » New approaches to personal network privacy and security » 2023-12-06 01:23:55

Micronaut
Replies: 7

Google's war on ad-blocking is no doubt just starting. They will be escalating and adding new tactics as the quest for ever greater profits at the user's expense continues. Other giants like MS and Facebook have no doubt got similar plans in the works, just based on their own unique leverages since they don't own the most popular browser. It's sort of amusing that Google has started trying to cut some of the other giants out with new restrictions on things like third-party cookies.

But I'm now wondering if the centralization of the network has gone too far. We also depend on those huge corporations for a basic access system of the network, DNS. Aside from Google, again, there is Cloudflare (one of the 'backbone' giants), Quad9 (IBM), OpenDNS (Cisco!), and then a few specialty services like AdGuard or DNS Advantage. But they are much smaller. I wonder if they can handle the increased use from a large numbers of people switching over. And if they do, they will then become targets of the ad-pushers. Google will surely do something or other if they perceive such services to be in the way.

Yes, nearly every ISP you can join provides 'their own' DNS servers. But what is this? Just linking into the pool provided by the giant services, isn't it? So then your local ISP (if it's really local and not a hefty player that doesn't quite match the giants, e.g. Frontier, Spectrum Cable, etc...) can then spy on you and sell your internet activity to someone.

There is some degree of filtering of known criminal sites in most of these servers. And that's good. But not protection from snooping and advertising by those same giants providing the 'service'... (except the specialty services, and how long will they last?)

The first thing I expect to do around when the ad-blockalypse really hits is start using custom hosts files full of nulled sites again. It used to be a pretty started thing to do, but ad-block extension just got so good it didn't seem necessary anymore.

It occurs to me, though, that there is clearly a lot of work already being done researching how advertising works to keep the rules for ad-blocking extensions up-to-date, and to keep the custom hosts lists up-to-date. There are clearly many teams of people with developed methods and systems.

Maybe it's time for another approach?

One thought I had was to stop expecting to go anywhere instantly. We really have been spoiled with the universal DNS system. And now we're so used to it that most people just put up with how it is exploited against them for spying and ads.

Hardly anyone listens to the serious security experts, it's too much fun to have the illusion of 'freedom'. But they have been recommending white listing for a long time. This is the opposite of the current approach of both the ad-block extensions and the hosts files. Instead of just allowing your browser to got out to some (corporate) DNS source and get info instantly and then add a quick check from the work done by the independent teams on your local machine, how about having a list of sites you think are safe to visit and a way to check those against 'authoritative' DNS servers occasionally, since they can and do change. But do most of your browsing with a static list (white list) of good sites. Isn't this what good corporate security does? (Or is 'good corporate security' now an oxymoron? Has everyone bu the government gone 'We Work' and 'BYOD' and there is no organizational control anymore? Outside of the tech giants who exist for the purpose of that control, of course....)

This would have multiple effects. First, if DNS lookup is NOT automatic, huge amounts of drive by ads, spyware, malware, and malvertising just wouldn't work anymore. It's the mindless automatic activity that our browsing triggers that allows these things. Second, of course, a major route of surveillance, DNS itself, would be come vastly less useful. All that DNS servers could learn when you tell your DNS 'utility'? to check your DNS list is that certain sites are in your list of interesting sites. Not every single time you access them, in real time.

This is a very rough idea, so I'm not yet sure how to execute it. Modify browsers themselves to have a new 'mode' of usage? Complicated, but certainly not any more complicated than many other parts of modern browsers. Another possibility is a local proxy. This is probably much more doable on Linux than Windows. Way back in the late stone ages, not the days of bang paths, but in the early days or the 'web', there was a nifty utility for Windows called Proxomitron. I used it for the better part of a decade before there even were 'browser extensions'. It was a local proxy which you could setup and program as an HTML filter. It was the best ad-blocker available until dedicated ad-block extensions. I got to be pretty good at writing my own extensions and learned a lot about HTML that way. But Proxomitron had to directly detect site names to block sites. It didn't affect DNS itself. That's what the custom hosts files were for. Unfortunately, support for that ended with the death of the author.

So, maybe something like I am describing can be implemented in Linux without too much trouble? I've heard of Squid but never learned much about it. What I'd heard was it was a local caching tool to save bandwidth, and could be a filter. But can you white list DNS with Squid?

And yet, even if so, what does that do for the common browser user? This is all to say, we need a new approach. I could have posted a question about Squid in a couple of lines.

#13 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Upcoming browser changes » 2023-12-05 23:57:31

And now... plans emerge to exploit Google leverage over the user community yet in another way.

https://arstechnica.com/google/2023/12/ … n-updates/

Chrome’s next weapon in the War on Ad Blockers: Slower extension updates

Google's war on ad blockers is just gearing up, with YouTube doing its best to detect and block ad blockers and Chrome aiming to roll out the ad block-limiting Manifest V3 extension platform in June 2024. A new article from Engadget detailing the "arms race" over ad blocking brings up an interesting point regarding the power that YouTube and Chrome have in this battle: a dramatic update advantage over the ad blockers.

In addition to hamstringing Chrome's extension platform with no real user-centric justifications, Manifest V3 will also put roadblocks up before extension updates, which will delay an extension developer's ability to quickly respond to changes. YouTube can instantly switch up its ad delivery system, but once Manifest V3 becomes mandatory, that won't be true for extension developers. If ad blocking is a cat-and-mouse game of updates and counter-updates, then Google will force the mouse to slow down

...

Never mind that slowing down updates will increase the exposure to security vulnerabilities for any and all extensions that happen to have them. There are 'potential profits' not being made, so the interference in profit-making has to be choked off. This is looking more and more like an opportunity for Firefox to surge back.

#14 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Upgrading a video card » 2023-11-30 18:43:10

Once I get done shuffling hardware I'll have to see about creating a single transferable setup. These 1050TI cards will be going into older systems, MSI motherboards while the boards they were on before are Asus. It would be very nice to just have one standard install across all systems. I could then download updates once on my slow DSL connection and then just copy the files around.

#15 Re: News & Announcements » Shape of things to come? 8^° » 2023-11-30 18:39:02

aluma wrote:

It started out so well

But then it was bought by IBM... how could that end well? And MS has incorporated Linux, which Steve Balmer condemned as a 'viral' threat, into its own OS. The GNU license and similar strategies worked for a while, but the rent-seekers adapted. They have got new strategies to capture or subvert the FOSS movement and now the movement will have to adapt in return.

#16 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Upgrading a video card » 2023-11-29 14:49:09

That's a thought that occurred to me. There is more to system drivers than video, but I wonder what the complexity of creating an install that works on a few different systems would be. Not a generic "Live CD" that has to probe and select a bunch of drivers every time it boots, but something that understands and runs on a few system configurations that I happen to have. Since I have drive trays that allow easy swapping of HDs, it would be cool to have a single OS setup that I could move around between machines.

#17 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Upgrading a video card » 2023-11-27 22:00:47

Yes, it worked. I just replaced the card and started up my Chimaera install and it worked like before. Played some games just to see that it works in 3D mode as well as desktop. No noticeable problems. The previous card as an nVidia 1050TI, the new one is nVidia 3050. Three generations difference, and the driver just works? After getting acclimated to all the Wind'ohs rigmarole this is confusing.

#18 Re: DIY » So I guess there's no getting around having to use GTK3 and Wayland? » 2023-11-22 18:07:39

This thread has me thinking I need to learn how to do this 'windowing environment only' without a desktop style of computer use.

#19 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Upgrading a video card » 2023-11-22 18:04:30

Well, it would be quite a surprise to be able to just replace the video card with something 3 generations newer and just load the same driver. But I guess I can try it.

#20 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Upcoming browser changes » 2023-11-22 18:03:18

The feedback here is not encouraging. There is a multi-pronged effort underway to capture FOSS into the standard 'mainstream' tech revenue channels and there doesn't seem to be much push-back.

Thoughts:

* Firefox has been dying, in large part due to complacency by Mozilla as well as Google's machination to make Chrome dominant. Could this push to cripple ad-blockers be a possible 'big break' for Mozilla and Firefox? When millions of people who have gotten used to browsing without constant ad-spam find they are forced to see ads, will there be a mass movement back to Firefox?

* If this does not occur, it may be 'fork time' again. Someone ought to copy the Firefox code base and start a new project to have a browser genuinely free of corporate control.

* The Wayland/X thing is more abstruse. It's about an underlying layer of the system, not a user-facing program. The concept "mature product" just doesn't seem to mean anything anymore. Change for the sake of change (and for the sake of revenue) is now so normalized that most people don't see the problem, and there probably won't a a single major event like the upcoming ad-blockalypse on Chrome to galvanize resistance. But there will be a larger, long-term price if the reports of the bugginess of Wayland are true. Can "we" (the common users of Linux who are not infrastructure techies) apply some sort of pressure on desktop developers to always keep backwards compatibility with X? I see that even XFCE has been making plans to adopt Wayland. This is the last major desktop to not already have been ruined by 'featurism'. If it gets sucked into the bloat wave I dunno what I could use. Maybe it would be time to fork that also? Cinnamon and Mate have worked out relatively well.

#21 Desktop and Multimedia » Upcoming browser changes » 2023-11-21 19:31:23

Micronaut
Replies: 35

Both Firefox and Chrome are making some transitions soon.

Firefox is apparently moving towards "Waylund", this new desktop system. Some features that use it will be enabled by default soon. This unnecessary change is a concern because it looks to me like the next systemd. (And it comes from Red Hat like that did...) This makes me wonder if it is present or close to being implemented in Devuan? Does it look like there will be a push by major players in the Linux community to force it to be implemented as we have seen with systemd? There doesn't seem to be any justification for it, again, like systemd, so I hope the "if it ain't broke" principle will hold here, as well. X works fine for any ordinary use cases.

Other than that I see that extensions of WASM are also being pushed. At least those should be easy to disable, being only in the browser itself.

Chrome is about to change how extensions work, apparently in the name of security. One major thing this will affect is ad-blockers. (Quelle surprise...) Given that it is becoming a standard like Internet Exploder used to be, I do sometimes have to use Chrome to access certain sites. So I'm concerned that the functions of ad-blockers will be curtailed by this change. Will the Chromium 'unbranded' version also be forced to follow this new standard? Or could they possibly keep hooks for both types of extensions? I haven't used Chromium much but it's looking more interesting with the possible crippling of ad-blockers in Chrome  itself.

#22 Hardware & System Configuration » Upgrading a video card » 2023-11-21 19:19:06

Micronaut
Replies: 9

New video cards are sitting here and I'm planning to place them in existing systems. This is a completely new generation of vNidia cards, so I'm sure the installed driver will not be compatible. What is the usual way to do this in Linux? Is it how I would expect:

Re-enable the Noveau driver and uninstall the current proprietary drivers
Shut down, make the hardware swap.
Restart and install the proprietary drivers again

Or is there some better process?

#23 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan 4.0 in a VirtualBox VM cannot finish booting » 2023-06-27 16:56:49

Dunno what it was, but it would not load to desktop. I first shut it down and turned off 3D acceleration. That seemed to work, but it complained about possible excess CPU usage. When shut down again and restored the 3D acceleration, it still loaded to desktop. So, maybe it just needed the shutdown and restart?

#24 Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan 4.0 in a VirtualBox VM cannot finish booting » 2023-06-26 18:11:18

Micronaut
Replies: 2

I've got a copy of Devuan 4 running in a VM so I can use Google Chrome for certain things without upgrading to Windows 10. It has been working flawlessly for months, but today I got a small update of some sort, I forget what the packages were, and when I restart it won't finish booting. I can sign in, but the desktop never appears, it just sits there with a black screen. Was there an update to display functions in some recent packages?

#25 Re: Devuan » Devuan 5 Daedalus Release (Debian 12 - Bookworm) | Looking for info » 2023-06-15 17:18:20

When I saw the announcement of Debian 12 I wondered how quickly the next Devuan release would follow. Good to see others had the same question. smile

Not in a rush, though. They should do everything right. This time I hope they get the proprietary video drivers to install without leaving issues that cannot be fixed.

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