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The bad thing with Ventoy is that it does not hold the ISOs as block devices, which is what an ISO maker normally expects. It holds them as files. So the ISO maker must build their ISO with file browsing logic (to figure out which filesystem to browse, then browse that to find their ISO media as a file, then loopback mount that to be a block device) before their installer can use it.
In normal use, the ISO is present as a block device on the hardware. All that can be hard to understand when most computering seems like magic. But in short, the ISO maker has to tailor ther installer for use with Ventoy in a generic fashion, which is an amout of extra work for them.
It is also possible for a multi-ISO boot loader to keep ISOs as block devices. But that would require different hands-on for preparing it, and the multi-ISO boot loader developer would probably need to offer a special utility for that, since it does involve slightly more than copying a file into a filesystem.
Anyhow, clearly any multi-ISO program is good for those cases where it works.
The debian package system is one of "distributed responsibility" where all software is installed and sprinkled over the system in the way that the package maintainer chooses. There is some structural advice, and in fact control, by the teams that accept packages into the repositories, so that in general an installed system may appear as a designed system whereas in fact that appearance is merely an emergent effect of the package maintainer's implementations of the general policies.
One of the problems with that is that the repository providers don't have a say in any particular system installation. Each system gets installed and setup the way it happens from, indirectly, the system administrator's choices of packages. Thus it's the combined effect ot the package maintainers' sprinkling of software over the filesystem.
Another effect is that composite aggregates, such as "a discrete runit init system", might not exist as an indivisible unit. Rather it emerges, if at all, from the totality of the installed packages. Sometimes people create "aggregation packages" that essentially are empty of their own content but they bring together particular other detail packages by means of utilizing the package dependency system in debian. I.e., those package mantainers try to compound particular composite aggregates. Given your note, it appears runit is not one of those.
Thus in short, whether the combined effect of your package choices is to your liking or not is unfortunately not under control by the repository service, which is what Devuan is. There are however the issue managers, deb.debian.org for debian packages and deb.devuan.org for the devuan forked packages, that you may explore and use in order to assist the package maintainers with feedback regarding how their packages work (or not) in the particular constallation you are using.
Afaict, the Indian keyboard layout (setxkbmap in) seems to have a generic Rupee key code ( U2089 = ₹ ) bound to Right-Alt + Shift + 4.
Why not copy the installer ISO, e.g. netinstall onto a device, not as a file but fully onto the device, and then boot with that.
Next, if you come to a similar wifi issue, then use "go back" until you get the menu of tasks (which you also can get directly by choosing the "expert install" option). Then move forward using that. Feel free to come back for specific advice.
Yes the installer looks for the media as a disk or a partition; it does not mount filesystems and look through those. And it of course does the same regardless of where the boot kernel + initrd have been loaded from ... the installer doesn't "know" where the running software has come from ![]()
Does it work if you make the ISO a partition on the USB?
I.e. not a file... that you create an additional, separate partition on the USB, of the same size as the ISO and dd the ISO onto that partition.
Perhaps you also need to have kernel and initrd available in the other filesystem, for that boot loader to work, but the installer will look for the ISO on partitions, not as a file.
Yes it's a debian package (not forked). First go to bugs.debian.org an check if it's been reported already, and then maybe add to that. Otherwise as per instructions, send an email to submit@bugs.debian.org with the first two body lines nominating package and version.
Yes you should remove the stanzas for testing and unstable.
Possibly add one for ceres.
Suite freia is currently in "testing mode" and testing is merely a symbolic link in the remote repository to freia to indicate that. You don't declare testing as a package repository. There's a great big bag of confusion lingering in using it as source point even when it perhaps seems to work fine right now.
Suite ceres, which you don''t have a stanza for, is now and always in "unstable mode" and unstable is merely a symbolic link in the repository repository to ceres. You don't declare unstable as package repository. The lingering confusion bag is somewhat smaller, but still, don't.
Note that "unstable mode" means that there is no dust of promise that the collective of package versions work together. Perhaps often they do, and where it's discovered they don't, it called a bug and it causes a flurry of activities for the package developers attempting to deal with it.
Good catch.
Yes, there is a difference in declaring which architectures apt wants to use, and specifying which arcitecture(s) a particular source declaration is targeted for. In fact, you may remove the Architecture: ... restriction from the source point declaration, which would make it (them) applicable for all architectures that you may setup apt to want.
https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/poli … 6&x=submit
As you may see, it's a non-free package.
After modifying the architecture set, you must run
# apt-get updateso as to update your local meta-data database. And if you are working with freia you should relly make a habit of updating your local meta-data database every time before other apt commands.
Please re-read the posts further above. E.g. wall "works with" xfce-terminal quite well.
It really isn't down to a choice of which (virtual) terminal is used but most significantly that the tty/pty must be owned by root. I have not used wall regularly enugh to be certain, but that particular restriction might be a newish thing (at the timescale of wall).
The other restriction is that the user of wall must have write access to the device being written to. As mentioned above, wall will consider all /dev/ttyN and /dev/pts/N, and then write to those with applicable write access and owner being root.
The interested reader may experiment with, say
$ echo foobar > /dev/pts/3to see which of their virtual terminal that ends up in. Or to be more targeted, they may first run
$ ttyin a shell to determin which pty device node to use for that shell, and then go crazy writing to it.
Following on from EDX-0, I tested wall in a lightdm + xfwm4 setup, as a non-root user as well as root.
From what I can gather wall will only write the message to root owned ttyN and pty/N. This is the same for both root and non-root, though of course also that it needs write permissing to the device; e.g. in my setup, non-root users in the tty group have such write access.
X11 terminal emulators are the ones setting up the pty.
I suppose it remains unclear whether wall has got revised decision logic, and/or different terminal emulators offer different pty handling.
Well, wall is a traditional program, see man wall and afaiui the issue is that it behaves differently now from how it has behaved; perhaps most probably because utmp database (another traditional thing, see man utmp) has change format, and in fact might also be one of those things that the kids have deprecated.
Certainly has little or nothing to do with wall papers.
How about waiting for someone that knows something about wall? I realise it can be really tempting to flaunt your ignorance just to have a post made, but it really isn't helpful.
Yes I realized your intention. But it's bad enough to try to run focussed discourse with "people that know" (also usually intended to be helpful), so when you don't know, just stay out of it... "listen and learn" so to speak.
Perhaps this thread can return to the wall program and how it behaves now versus in ancient times. (see eg post #3 above)
@Altoid, you do what you want at home, but stop immediately to post AI slop instead of knowledge.
If you don't know anything about the subject, then keep away. Noone is helped by AI slop whether it might be related or incidentally correct even. Since you don't know, you can't curate, and you just posted it because it looks convincing.
Stop that!
Please check in the Alt-F2 shell if there is a file
/lib/debian-installer-startup.d/S21ventoy-loop
and if so, share its content here.
Hmm. the ventoy handling used to work by setting up a loop device for the ISO and then registering something within the unpacked installer initrd so as too include loop devices in the media search.... maybe @rbit has an idea of possible hands-on.
Note that the installation is in a state where you can use Alt-F2 to enter a shell within the installer's unpacked filesystem, and it may be possible to perform a rescue action there. For example, you could go there and review /sys/class/block to confirm that a loop device has been set up for the media.
Then my memory fades about what the installer needs so as to scan for the media among loop devices... again perhaps @rbit will be around for guidance and ideas.
Is the Ventoy partition on the USB an exfat filesystem with label "Ventoy"?
That is (or used to be) the requirement for a Ventoy based Devuan installation.
The error message is an indication that the computer does not run the required server, which is the one registering as an endpoint for the audio service. On a good day I would remember the TLAs involved.
Bluetooth audio invloves firstly a connectiivty daemon, typically bluez, which sits as a broker between the device connection handling (the link level, so to speak) and the audio protocol(s) handler. The latter depends on your choice in audio setup. For a "pure alsa" setup you would need bluealsa daemon, and that afaik has been shit-ified so may require a bit of hands-on in its dbus linking. I'm not aware about a direct point-n-click solution, but mayby there is.
check BIOS to avoid "raid" disk control.
"Devuan" is trademarked, so you will need to discuss with Dyne (jaromil) about that.
Also, github is Microsoft and not acompany to keep.
Perhaps it says that the ttm_bo_release module has an OOB dma access? At a guess it's a puts call with a non-terminated string...
Antropomorphism for the win.
I'm not really suggesting anything going bad. I am merely emphasizing that the kernel is not involved with any sort of filtering with respect to disk usage determinations.
Perhaps the different kernel package and those that go with it have that smaller footprint, to thus result in the smaller figure. Or sometimes one may forget about cached and trashed files as well as log files in a setup, which would typically result in a larger figure than it could be. If the difference is due to some mistake like that or whatever way, then it's just a mistake. Otherwise there obviously is a significant aggregated difference in those software collections after installations.
There is also that possibility that the different reporting programs take measures into account the previously weren't included, though I would believe the newer method as more accurate and thus think "less bad" about them, rather than calling them "bad" for computing differently.