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#26 2024-04-14 04:51:35

zapper
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Re: liblzma CVE-2024-3094

@steve-v no, I don't expect you guys to do the work, its not devuan's fault. That would require the debian developers and the infectors to stop being morons and I don't see that happening.

Infectors meaning bloatware beasts like redhat.

OpenBSD and Gentoo are possibilities I suppose. I myself don't know how I would do this of course though.

Tried gentoo once,  it was ultra hard.


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#27 2024-04-14 05:36:49

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Re: liblzma CVE-2024-3094

The only thing that's "hard" about modern Gentoo is the manual chroot-and-tarball install method, and that's no more difficult than Arch.
After that it's really just a CPU-time tax in return for the flexibility of building software the way you want it.


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#28 2024-04-21 02:08:02

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Re: liblzma CVE-2024-3094

@steve_v btw, love your signature about GNOME. I dislike those punks too.

One problem comes to mind with Gentoo btw, cpu usage is a lot.

Unless I am mistaken and something is being missed here.

I want my computers to be more efficient and use less power and Gentoo wouldn't improve on that I don't think.

Although, OpenBSD could be the same, so idk.

Not sure how OpenBSD does power saving wise on old hardware vs new hardware.

And for that matter, architectures like ARM as well including 64 bit.


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#29 2024-04-21 06:15:25

aluma
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Re: liblzma CVE-2024-3094

You can try the live image GhostBSD
https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ghostbsd

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#30 2024-04-28 21:28:50

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Re: liblzma CVE-2024-3094

dbus, systemd, network-manager, pulseaudio, pipewire, wayland, avahi, java and their libraries being completely OPTIONAL is the only way I would think that devuan could meet that standard of what I would desire.

For most parts, sounds like a good start. I strongly dislike avahi and networkmanager. But on the other hand i'm neutral towards dbus.
I guess i could figure out how to make alsa work without those pulse/pipewire/whatever, if i really want to.
Would like to add all polkit-related packages to that list.
Although that is for security-reasons, not minimalism-related.

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#31 2024-04-29 12:28:03

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Re: liblzma CVE-2024-3094

I strongly dislike avahi

Pretty much a modern neccessity for a lot of networking functions.

You can try the live image GhostBSD

A good choice for people who have never run BSD. I've been testing it for about two months now and have found no particular problems with it, at least nothing important other than the normal known imitations of BSD. I recommend it if you want to tinker with BSD.

As far as minimalism: installers should all offer it, but then everyone would complain about how long it took to install a new full DE system, and updaters would have to be rewritten for every DE. Might as well be Arch then.

For me open-box wm written with lua coded hooked display options would make for a very simple but easily customizable desktiop. Right now Linux is suffering from hardware overdose, and free software is facing a difficult choice. Will AI take over development or not. Both choices are ominous. It's hard to tell if we are going backwards or forwards.

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#32 2024-04-29 13:00:47

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Re: liblzma CVE-2024-3094

Avahi may be necessary when using wireless network. But with wired, which i prefer, it just gets in my way. And then there are some security-related-problems.
Especially when the default iptables_rules are "-P ACCEPT"
Although this is going off-topic.

Last edited by nahkhiirmees (2024-04-29 13:02:33)

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#33 2024-04-29 16:40:03

stargate-sg1-cheyenne-mtn
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Re: liblzma CVE-2024-3094

re: *bsd

just stumbled across this(video circa 2017):

"Convincing a Linux guy to use FreeBSD" - Lunduke Hour - Feb 9, 2017(approx-1hr15min)
ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cofKxtIO3Is


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#34 2024-04-29 19:02:09

nahkhiirmees
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Re: liblzma CVE-2024-3094

As far as minimalism: installers should all offer it, but then everyone would complain about how long it took to install a new full DE system, and updaters would have to be rewritten for every DE.

I was under the impression that devuan desktop install iso is for those who want desktop environment working ASAP.
And netinstall is more likely for those who want a minimal system. So is there any real harm done if avahi and some other packages are made optional in netinstall?

Haven't touched Arch yet. Would like to figure out first how to make guix usable.

Last edited by nahkhiirmees (2024-04-29 19:02:39)

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#35 2024-04-29 22:28:49

Altoid
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Re: liblzma CVE-2024-3094

Hello:

stargate wrote:

... just stumbled across this video ...

I came across this more recent one.
Food for thought or at the very least, interesting to watch.

Best,

A.

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