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#2176 Re: Devuan » Devuan branding on https://git.devuan.org/ » 2019-01-08 18:21:01

rolfie wrote:

BTW: is there a font in Devuan repositories that can be used for the Logo in text like prociono in Debian?

No.  Those letters were created just for the "Devuan" logo.

@hellekin . . . The four inner planet, the D is the orbit of Ceres. The font is Fira Sans Thin with 15px rounded stroke. The E is based on a U.

You can see it's genesis here.

#2177 Re: Installation » backports: how to prevent incompatibilities? » 2019-01-08 16:49:38

Just want to make sure you understand that <release codename> will need to be replaced with jessie or ascii (without the < >).

When devuan was just starting, there was some testing of amprolla that merged the main repos with backports and I got a bit burned by that so I always comment backports even though I know it's OK to just use -t.  Not a problem since I really don't need anything from there.

#2178 Re: Installation » backports: how to prevent incompatibilities? » 2019-01-07 23:48:55

@thierrybo . . . He installed this package from the DEBIAN repo directly so will your solution still be valid?

#2179 Re: Installation » backports: how to prevent incompatibilities? » 2019-01-07 21:55:31

HextorBRX wrote:

1) no need to uninstall a package

I don't know if amprolla will recognize and update packages installed directly from Debian. 

HextorBRX wrote:

2) indeed, everything is on devuan.org but also in /etc/apt/sources.list

Then why would you use Debian repos when it says this in several places on the website:

Devuan package repositories are exclusive. Other repositories, including Debian, Ubuntu, Mint etc, should NOT be used directly.

HextorBRX wrote:

3) since there is no security support for packages from backports, all I have to do is install the backported package, uncomment those lines, and update-upgrade my system as usual?

I'm pretty sure that the backports repo in ascii is pinned so you must use `-t ` to download and no need to comment.  You'd have to ask  on the debian forums whether you would have to comment those lines from their repo.  Probably wouldn't hurt.

#2180 Re: Devuan » Devuan branding on https://git.devuan.org/ » 2019-01-07 21:35:15

How is this not branded?

Hmmmm . . . I see those links could use an update.  Will get to that in a day or so . . .
dev1-branding

#2181 Re: Installation » backports: how to prevent incompatibilities? » 2019-01-07 15:36:26

Backports can be useful to accommodate newer hardware etc.  But never use Debian or other 3rd party repos like mint or ubuntu.  Use the devuan backports.  All this information is on devuan.org so please have a look there..

#2182 Re: Installation » E: Package 'python-ipalib' has no installation candidate » 2019-01-05 22:22:50

bgstack15 wrote:

After much Internet searching, I finally discovered 'python-ipalib' in https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt. I assume, because the FreeIPA project is very Fedora-driven (the distro I used to use primarily), it has some kind of systemd hooks or some such.

Yes.  Exactly.

Does anyone have any ideas as to how I can setup my freeipa client on devuan ceres?

You could remove the systemd dependency and rebuild it.  wink  Or better yet take on long-term maintenance of the package for Devuan.

#2183 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can someone explain... » 2019-01-04 19:01:02

Panopticon wrote:

"Dont Make A FrankenDebian"

Should be front and center of both Debian and Devuan websites, a good percentage of issues like this are always popping up at forums and elsewhere regularly. There is a wiki  https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian but how would a new or uninformed user know where to find that info before he/she break it?

Or maybe "Debian is not Ubuntu or Mint or MX Linux" ........

That would only be useful if a new user actually bothers to read anything. These days users tend to leap before looking. A garish flashing popup is the only thing that MIGHT grab someone's attention . . .

FYI . . . this is on the download page of the devuan website and I'm pretty sure repeated on the repo pages too.  Those who do not seek will not find:

Package repositories

Devuan package repositories are exclusive. Other repositories, including Debian’s, should NOT be used directly. Devuan recommends using the codename (jessie, ascii, beowulf, ceres) rather than the suite (oldstable, stable, testing, unstable) in sources.list entries.

#2184 Re: Installation » Installing Devuan from VBox » 2019-01-04 17:39:17

dRose wrote:

Is that the same as  devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso 07-Jun-2018 00:18  1.0G  which I'm using from here? https://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/os/Linux/distr … ktop-live/

What does that one do easier/better?

The -live and netinst use different installers.

The -live isos use the refractainstaller which rsyncs the running system to your specified location.

The netinst isos use the classic debian-installer which is documented here:
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/ins … evuan.html

and here for the graphic install:
https://devuan.org/os/documentation/ins … stall.html

Description of the Devuan isos can be found in the ISO Guide section of the devuan.org index page

#2185 Re: Installation » Installing Devuan from VBox » 2019-01-03 23:00:46

dRose wrote:

I am launching from the desktop.
Pop-ups: choose su or sudo, I choose su then I get the yad refractainstaller popup. I think I'll bypass the desktop launch and try the cli this time.

thanks again.

Sounds like you're on your way!  Let us know how it works out.  FWIW, I use the cli version also.  We'll be adding a page with screenshots for a cli install too.

#2186 Re: Installation » Installing Devuan from VBox » 2019-01-03 20:36:28

If you're already in a live session, just launch the installer from the icon on the desktop or the system menu and follow the instructions on the webpage posted above.

Note: You can also launch the cli installer as root with refractainstaller and the graphical one with refractainstaller-yad.

There was also an issue with certain yad versions shoving the installer dialogues off-screen so it might just be that you have an older version of yad and need to upgrade.

#2187 Re: Installation » Installing Devuan from VBox » 2019-01-03 19:18:46

I'm not quite clear what you are trying to do.  Can you provide a little more information?

This beta is a WIP but very close to finished: https://beta.devuan.org/os/documentatio … e-gui.html.  I will be making some changes later today.

Also please read the RELEASE NOTES on the desktop if you have not already done so

#2188 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2019-01-03 18:47:08

kuleszdl wrote:

@golinux: I am not sure how the rdepends from your posting relates to that. Maybe this changed from Jessie?

There was a question about how pusleaudio rdepends on beowulf compared to earlier releases.

#2189 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can someone explain... » 2019-01-03 18:40:35

lvdave wrote:

Why would you think they would be?  It is a _very bad idea_ to use Debian-related packages from other sources on Devuan.

Not *everyone* is as up on Ubuntu/Debian differences. Since Ubuntu is forked from Debian as is Devuan, its an easy to assume idea.. No need to be snippy about my lack of knowledge...

You're right of course.  Devuan users tend to be pretty savvy but I should not assume we all are.  We also tend to be pretty thick-skinned.  wink

The Debian wiki is quite clear about not mixing repositories: Don't make a FrankenDebian

Repositories that can create a FrankenDebian if used with Debian Stable:

-  Debian testing release (currently buster)
-  Debian unstable release (also known as sid)
-  Ubuntu, Mint or other derivative repositories are not compatible with Debian!
-  Ubuntu PPAs

#2190 Re: Installation » Install fail2ban on ascii [SOLVED] » 2019-01-03 18:08:13

alsen wrote:

Hi,

the package python3-systemd is only for the backend systemd, it is possible to use other backend (see backend comment on /etc/fail2ban/jail.conf)

the package seems to be ok on Devuan.

Alberto

Yes, I saw python3-systemd was not on the banned pkg list.  I have asked KatolaZ whether it should be.  Will post when he responds.

#2191 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can someone explain... » 2019-01-03 17:10:09

lvdave wrote:

The debs I built on Ubuntu 18.04 are not happy on Devuan. Thanks again!!

Why would you think they would be?  It is a _very bad idea_ to use Debian-related packages from other sources on Devuan.

#2192 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2018-12-31 18:34:08

steve_v wrote:

On the OP, I'd probably be around here more often if it wasn't for the disturbing level of tinfoil hat insanity that goes on. Some people really need to get a grip.

Huh?  There is much less tinfoil fantasy here than on most other forums.  It is mostly high level technical discussions and problem solving.  Maybe if you were around more often you'd know that.  wink

#2193 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2018-12-31 17:21:05

Perhaps someone will step up to do that.

#2194 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2018-12-31 01:23:25

cynwulf wrote:

As far as I know there is no dependency on pulseaudio with quantum.  I am running it on OpenBSD and I have no pulseaudio installed - and no alsa in fact.

It looks like it might only be on Linux systems

#2195 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2018-12-30 18:19:00

My understanding is that it just fools FF into thinking pulseaudio is there.  It has been discussed off and on for the last several years on the DNG mail list and this very forum so a little search fu might give you some ideas.   I'm still on jessie so no need to go there yet.  Good luck and let us know how it works for you.

#2196 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2018-12-29 21:50:59

dxrobertson wrote:

So it seems the libpulse0 is whats really dependent.

That is true even in jessie.  It is similar to libsystemd0 that it really doesn't do anything if pulseaudio is not installed but it is a cosmetic/mental annoyance.

If you decide to remove/disable pulse, a nice xfce panel volume control is volumeicon-alsa.

Thanks fo the suggestion.

#2197 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2018-12-29 19:46:49

OK.  I booted my pretty vanilla beowulf and ran this:

# apt-cache rdepends pulseaudio
pulseaudio
Reverse Depends:
  pulseaudio-equalizer
  firefox-esr
  xpra
  xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin
  surf-display
  speech-dispatcher
  sdrangelove
  scratch
  python3-x2go
  python-x2go
  pulseaudio-utils
  pulseaudio-module-zeroconf
  pulseaudio-module-raop
  pulseaudio-module-lirc
  pulseaudio-module-jack
  pulseaudio-module-gsettings
  pulseaudio-module-bluetooth
  cairo-dock-impulse-plug-in
  projectm-pulseaudio
  plasma-pa
  persepolis
  pavucontrol-qt
  pavucontrol
  pamix
  osspd-pulseaudio
  mpg123
  mpd
  morse
  minimodem
  ltsp-server
  ltsp-client-core
  ltsp-client
  lives
  libpulse0
  libcanberra-pulse
 |kde-telepathy-call-ui
  impressive-display
  gqrx-sdr
  gnome-settings-daemon
  gnome-core
  firefox-esr
  education-ltsp-server
  cinnamon-settings-daemon

xfce4-pulseaudio-plugin and firefox-esr are the ones that will trip me up when I transition to beowulf as my daily driver.

#2199 Re: Devuan » Why are pulseaudio files present in Devuan? » 2018-12-29 17:22:39

Not sure whether that's possible anymore.  You try installing parts of xfce4 from scratch without the meta package and without recommends/suggests.  If pulseaudio shows up in a package's list of dependencies, you can decide whether to install it or not.  Disclaimer:  My daily driver is still jessie.

#2200 Re: Installation » Xen and the art of VM » 2018-12-26 17:49:35

Geoff 42 wrote:

The installation process did not seem to follow the new (?) guide :-

https://devuan.org/os/documentation/ins … stall.html

Maybe that guide was not from the live iso. Now I know how to do it, I may have a few more goes at installation, including the ncurses interface.

Geoff

That guide is for the classic Debian installer which most of our isos use.   Only the -live isos use the refracta installer.  We are currently working on a similar guide for the refractainstaller.

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