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Hello:
... maybe wipe and gdisk the usb stick first before use.
Yes.
I did that from the start with GParted (sorry I did not say so in my OP).
Partition -> Format to -> Cleared
and then, just in case ...
Partition -> Delete
The SD Card was absolutely 'blank' before using it with Rufus.
Thanks for your input.
A.
Hello:
I'm attempting to set up a sort of bare bones Devuan-Live on a 4.0Gb SD Card to run a just couple of dedicated applications on my netbook.
I'm able to write the image to the SD Card wihout any problems and it boots perfectly well, no issues.
The problem arises when I shrink the FAT32 partition to make room for a persistent ext4 partition.
Once I shrink it to 1.0Gb (nothing else done) and try to boot from the card, I just get a blinking cursor on the screen.
Undoubtedly this is a problem arising from shrinking the partition generated by the Rufus application.
I have tried using setting the format option in Rufus to FAT and FAT32 but the problem remains.
I'm using the latest Devuan-Live image downloded from here ...
https://mirror.leaseweb.com/devuan/devu … p-live.iso
... writing the image to the SD Card with rufus-2.18p and resizing the FAT32 partition with GParted from my Linux installation.
Any help will be appreciated.
Best,
A.
Hello:
@Altoid . . . Xfce 4.12 is available in ASCII or possibly Jessie backports.
It's not available in Jessie backports.
ie: http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged/ jessie-backports.
How do I go about installing it from the ASCII repositories?
Can such a thing be done?
ie: with impunity? 8^ D!
Thanks in advance,
A.
Hello:
I have finally managed to register myself at the XFCE forum, not exactly the most user friendly registering procedure.
I will nevertheless post the issue on the forum and see what feedback I can get.
This is the feedback I received at the bugzilla.xfce.org forum:
I see. Unfortunately Xfce 4.10 is unsupported by now and I have no nvidia hardware around to test with Xfce 4.12.
If disabling the compositing is not a problem for you, great, yet another one happy user. Otherwise if you have the chance to check against 4.12, please let us know if the problem persists and reopen this bug.
You can see the whole thread here:
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14158
So ...
There will be no attempt to fix this issue unless I install Xfce 4.12 and can verify the bug's status on that version.
Question:
Is it at all possible to install Xfce 4.12 in Devuan at this time?
Can it be made available in the repo?
Thanks in advance,
A.
Hello:
Hello:
Sorry ...
Bump ...
Anyone?
Edit 20180321:
Evidently not. =-/
No matter.
With the help of one of the admins at the Xfce forum, I finally managed to track down the problem to the *.desktop file launching LinSSID.
It was using gksudo in the command line but as I have chosen not to use sudo and restrict myself to using su (as done in PCLinuxOS), the app would not launch.
A duh moment?
Indeed, but ...
Needing LinSSID admin privileges to run, shouldn't the installation routine check for sudo being present and if not, make the exec use su instead?
In any case, changing the command to
gksu linssid
fixed the issue.
Cheers,
A.
Hello:
Sorry ...
I have to quote myself. 8^ /
... the problem was related to a bug in a Qt5 library, libQt5XcbQpa.so.5.10.0.
This is what you get when you use two very different (sans systemd) distributions.
PCLinuxOS which is my rolling option and Devuan which installed as soon as I could download it.
The problem with the Qt5 library was in PCLinuxOS, so disregard my previous post.
The problem in the OP is still there.
Indeed, I can run LinSSID from a terminal via kksudo and it will open and work properly.
But it leaves this trail on the terminal screen (the Qt part confused me as a similar one was present in my other installation).
[groucho@groucho ~]$ gksu linssid
Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0".
gksu-run: 0977a691650adf37a6e3a38f67f0a763
QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-root'
QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not set, defaulting to '/tmp/runtime-root'
Qt: Session management error: None of the authentication protocols specified are supported
[groucho@groucho ~]$
Any ideas as to how to fix this?
Must be a permission problem (?) as LinSSID has to run IWScan which nees root access.
Thanks in advance.
A.
Hello:
I finally found out that the problem was related to a bug in a Qt5 library, libQt5XcbQpa.so.5.10.0.
It wreaked absolute havok in quite a few Qt5 based applications (Master PDF Editor, LinSSID, VLC Media Player and others).
See here:
https://bugreports.qt.io/browse/QTBUG-65235
I found out the details by checking in dmesg:
[groucho@groucho ~]$ dmesg | tail
[ 4504.398528] linssid[25147]: segfault at 8 ip 00007ff9488216fc sp 00007ffe49995f10 error 4 in [color=red]libQt5XcbQpa.so.5.10.0[/color][7ff9487e0000+154000]
[ 4590.791671] vlc[25397]: segfault at 8 ip 00007f4e28eca6fc sp 00007f4e401b2720 error 4 in [color=red]libQt5XcbQpa.so.5.10.0[/color][7f4e28e89000+154000]
[groucho@groucho ~]$
This was/will be solved with a new release of the QT5 files.
Cheers,
A.
Hello:
I have installed LinSSID 2.7 but it will not run from 'Menu' -> 'Internet' -> LinSSID.
It asks for my PW and when I enter it and continue, it stalls/waits for a while and then nothing.
I can only run it successfully from the terminal via 'su'.
I have not set up 'sudo' (would rather always have a PW prompt).
Even though it starts and runs properly, when run as root there's some authentication failed output on the terminal:
root@devuan:/home/groucho# linssid
Xlib: extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
Qt: Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed
root@devuan:/home/groucho#
I know about the "RANDR" missing as it is disabled by the X server.
root@devuan:/home/groucho# cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep WW
(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
[ 28.862] (WW) NVIDIA: The Composite and Xinerama extensions are both enabled, which
[ 28.862] (WW) NVIDIA: is an unsupported configuration. The driver will continue
[ 28.862] (WW) NVIDIA: to load, but may behave strangely.
[ 28.862] (WW) NVIDIA: Xinerama is enabled, so RandR has likely been disabled by the
[ 28.862] (WW) NVIDIA: X server.
root@devuan:/home/groucho#
But I have no idea of the authetication protocols.
I have installed gnome-system-tools to have a GUI for groups and users management but I do not see a group for LinSSID.
Base info:
groucho@devuan:~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.51-3 (2017-12-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux
groucho@devuan:~$
I'd appreciate a lead on this.
Thanks in advance,
A.
Hello:
My kind of person, but what ends are those two?
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Sorry for the delay.
Was not subscribed to this topic.
Neglected to set it in the profile. =-/
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Interesting question.
I come from many (many) years MS stuff, back from MS-DOS 5.0 but it all got to me a bit late.
Dabbled a bit into the old Debian to revive old laptops now and then but was never able to get what I wanted from it.
Lack of support for XP and all the related MS shenanigans made me realise that the end had come so I leaped first into Ubuntu, then to Mint, CrunchBang, tried a couple of others I found and finally landed with PCLinuxOS.
I use it as my go to setup with a VBox for a W98SE machine dedicated to the rare use of a couple of MS only applications I cannot replace.
Devuan and PCLinuxOS are the two ends of the (visible to me) spectrum in a Linux world where there is far too much dispersed energy which could be put to better use by concentrating it in the task of making some sense of it all.
eg: how about a common and agreed upon file system architecture where every Linux based distro has the same files in the same place? No need to answer, I don't want to start a discussion on the subject. =-)
At 60+, I'm really not into rolling my own anything and hope to eventually work my way around Devuan to be able to put it in the go to place where PCLinuxOS is now. I see it as how an OS should be and because non-systemd is (to me) the right thing.
Don't really have much time for anything else these days.
Cheers,
A.
Hello again:
... could reproduce the problem with thunderbird, too (the problem seems to be GTK-related).
... not a real solution to the underlying problem, but it works for me while waiting .
After my last post I realised that this is not really a Devuan issue.
From both our posts it would seem to be an issue in both Devuan and Ubuntu, both Debian based distributions where Nvidia propietary drivers are being used in a 2 card 2+n monitor setup within a XFCE desktop environment.
Things as they are, where would this issue/bug have to be be filed in order to get some attention?
Edit:
I have finally managed to register myself at the XFCE forum, not exactly the most user friendly registering procedure.
Bug reporting at XFCE is a Sourceforge affair for which I really do not have the necessary skills.
You evidently have to know something about coding to file a bug there.
I will nevertheless post the issue on the forum and see what feedback I can get with respect to trying to get it into sourceforge.
If anyone has another/better idea, I'd love to read about it.
Thanks in advance.
A.
Hello:
I'm not coming from Devuan but Xubuntu 16.04, but maybe my answer can help you a bit...
... exactly same problem as you - having a nvidia card (NVS310) and firefox ...
... cannot use nouveau for other reasons...
I don't use Nouveau because the three monitor setup won't work properly.
... disabling "display compositing" in XFCE.
... Settings->'Window Manager Tweaks'->Compositor.
That did the trick.
...............................
Thank you very much.
..............................
It is a very annoying bug and I have not seen it reported elsewhere.
Now, I can drag/drop again as usual. =-)
But there's definitely something going on.
I had Firefox open when I opened 'Window Manager Tweaks'->Compositor and when I attempted to uncheck "display compositing", but it would not hold.
Insisting made every window freeze to the extent of having a totally unresponsive desktop with the only way out being a hard reboot.
Noy even the good old Ctl+Alt+Del to log out would respond.
So, once rebooted, I went directly to the settings panel (without starting FF) only to find that compositing was unchecked.
I can live without compositing although I liked it better with the translucent panels.
Once again, thanks a lot for your input.
Cheers,
A.
Hello:
No crash yet!
I dragged and dropped links from the bar to ...
Thanks for checking.
Maybe some addon is causing it.
No.
No addons.
Just the stock ESR installation.
Maybe it has to do with my using X11 in combination with the NVidia drivers?
The X11 log says nothing but the crash report from FF says something about invalid window parameter and nsX11ErrorHandler.
From my OP:
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AbortMessage: ###!!! ABORT: Request 141.8: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter); 3 requests ago: file /build/firefox-esr-wI7Jwe/firefox-esr-52.5.2esr/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 147Request 141.8: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter); 3 requests agoxpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: Request 141.8: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter); 3 requests ago: file /build/firefox-esr-wI7Jwe/firefox-esr-52.5.2esr/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 147)
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A google search for <b>/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 147</b> brings up a number of hits, most from 2016/17.
But I'm at work and can't look now.
... ESR is that eventually it will become like 57 ...
Most probably.
Thanks for your input.
A.
Hello:
... that new crappy ff 57 was a disaster.
For the longest time Firefox has been all about bloat and dumb changes nobody asked for.
eg: change in tab shape.
It's all about domination of the browser content arena.
It's a huge cash cow (among other things) ...
Or do you think Google, Mozilla, YouTube et all do it for the good of humanity?
Do you remember when you could stream virtually any video content and buffer it on your drive?
Try to do that now with Firefox.
... don't really drag and drop addresses ...
It's a convenient and fast to build up and organise folders in the bookmarks bar.
... only has Palemoon which is my preferred browser for some time now.
Looks nice but I cannot use my preferred add-ons: UBlockOrigin, Privacy Badger, etc.
... try drag and drop tomorrow on the 52 and report back.
Thanks.
Best,
A.
Hello:
I have a standard 'out of the box' Devuan installation.
The browser I am using is the default one, Firefox 52.5.2 (64-bit) ESR.
When I try to do a drag&drop operation from the adress bar (to anywhere), the browser will crash.
The same thing happens with the browser in safe mode.
To rule out add-on or about:config problems, ie. anything outside the standard browser setup, I completely uninstalled it and installed it again, purging all related files.
The problem subsists.
Some relevant data:
groucho@devuan:~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.51-3 (2017-12-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux
groucho@devuan:~$
groucho@devuan:~$ xdpyinfo | grep version
version number: 11.0
X.Org version: 1.16.4
groucho@devuan:~$
groucho@devuan:~$ cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version
NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 340.102 Mon Jan 16 13:06:29 PST 2017
GCC version: gcc version 4.8.4 (Debian 4.8.4-1)
groucho@devuan:~$
This is the entry in syslog when the crash occurs:
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Jan 7 18:48:34 devuan kernel: [ 3330.666686] Chrome_ChildThr[6335]: segfault at 0 ip 0000565170884d6c sp 00007fa6d3afe3e0 error 6 in plugin-container[565170880000+1b000]
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From the crash report, there are two lines that indicate (?) there may be something going on with X11:
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AbortMessage: ###!!! ABORT: Request 141.8: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter); 3 requests ago: file /build/firefox-esr-wI7Jwe/firefox-esr-52.5.2esr/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 147
Request 141.8: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter); 3 requests agoxpcom_runtime_abort(###!!! ABORT: Request 141.8: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter); 3 requests ago: file /build/firefox-esr-wI7Jwe/firefox-esr-52.5.2esr/toolkit/xre/nsX11ErrorHandler.cpp, line 147)
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I'd be very obliged to know if this is something that can be reproduced by anyone else.
Thanks in advance,
A.
Hello:
... but you'll just need to mount it (see e.g. wikipedia)
It would seem that it solves the issue. =-)
From a post in the PCLinuxOS forum:
http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.ph … msg1053379
usbview has been updated to 2.0 and requires an updated initscripts package. It also requires kernel 3.12.x and up.
Please REBOOT after updating so the updated initscripts package can mount /sys/kernel/debug with read permissions and usbview can catalog the usb devices now listed in /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices ie
cat /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices
A solution was posted further on:
http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.ph … msg1053597
Mount /sys/kernel/debug:
[root@localhost ~]# mount -n -t debugfs -o mode=755 /sys/kernel/debug /sys/kernel/debug
#List your usb devices:
[root@localhost ~]# cat /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices
In the case of my Devuan installation, I don't see USBView requiring an updated initscripts package (?) like in PCLinuxOS.
I wonder if it would not be a good thing to have?
It would have saved us both some time. =-)
Thanks a lot for your input.
A.
Hello:
It seems far-fetched that an end user application would require debugfs, but you'll just need to mount it (see e.g. wikipedia)
Really would not know, it's rather over my head. =-/
The thing is that USBView is looking for /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices (apparently the default setting) but it is not there.
My expectation is that if USBView is in the Devuan repo, the default setting would point to a working location in Devuan.
To my chagrin, I cannot figure out which one that would be.
Or, maybe an lsusb -t would give the same information.
Here's the output, maybe you can make something out of it:
[groucho@groucho ~]$ lsusb -t
/: Bus 10.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/4p, 5000M
/: Bus 09.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=xhci_hcd/4p, 480M
|__ Port 2: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Vendor Specific Class, Driver=ath9k_htc, 480M
/: Bus 08.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
/: Bus 07.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
/: Bus 06.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
|__ Port 1: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbhid, 1.5M
|__ Port 1: Dev 2, If 1, Class=Human Interface Device, Driver=usbhid, 1.5M
/: Bus 05.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
/: Bus 04.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
/: Bus 03.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=uhci_hcd/2p, 12M
/: Bus 02.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=ehci-pci/6p, 480M
/: Bus 01.Port 1: Dev 1, Class=root_hub, Driver=ehci-pci/6p, 480M
|__ Port 1: Dev 2, If 0, Class=Mass Storage, Driver=usb-storage, 480M
[groucho@groucho ~]$
I have two installations (on the same hardware/machine) with which I work and try to learn from.
I'd say that they are on both ends of the non-systemd spectrum:
Devuan with the 3.16.51 kernel and PCLinuxOS, which is a rolling release with the 4.12.10 kernel.
And both have the same problem/error when starting USBView2.0.
I still have to see if I can find anything on thins issue on the PCLinux forum.
But I am now wondering if this is not a USBView issue?
ie: sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices not not being present in both installations but USBView pointing at it.
Thanks in advance,
A.
Hello:
First, thanks a lot for the effort made for getting systemd off the Linux stage.
Base info:
groucho@devuan:~$ uname -a
Linux devuan 3.16.0-4-amd64 #1 SMP Debian 3.16.51-3 (2017-12-13) x86_64 GNU/Linux
groucho@devuan:~$
I have a problem with USBView 2.0.
Installed with Synaptic from the repo.
When I start it from System -> USBView I get this error message:
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Can not open the file /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices
Verify that you have USB compiled into your kernel,
have the USB core modules loaded, and have the
usbdevfs filesystem mounted.
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I see that /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices is not there:
groucho@devuan:~$ cat /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices
cat: /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices: No such file or directory
groucho@devuan:~$
But all my USB devices are listed in lsusb:
groucho@devuan:~$ lsusb
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 010 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 009 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 008 Device 002: ID 04f2:0112 Chicony Electronics Co., Ltd KU-8933 Keyboard with PS/2 Mouse port
Bus 008 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0003 Linux Foundation 3.0 root hub
Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0cf3:7015 Atheros Communications, Inc. TP-Link TL-WN821N v3 802.11n [Atheros AR7010+AR9287]
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 003 Device 002: ID 196d:0100
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
groucho@devuan:~$
Thinking it may be a permission issue, I tried starting the application from a terminal as root but the result is exactly the same.
Where does it have to be configured (presently looks in /sys/kernel/debug/usb/devices) for it to work properly?
My Devuan installation is 'out of the box' so to speak and I do not recall changing anything.
Thanks in advance.
A.
Hello:
Happy New Year!
Downloaded the 1.0 Devuan RC liveCD iso file
So far I've setup
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MasterPDFEditor (pdf editor)
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Interesting setup but rather out of my league at the moment.
I was searching on how to get Master PDF Editor on my Devuan install but I have not found a way and it is not in the repo at the monment.
Then I came across your post.
Would you have a moment to tell me how to install it / what repository I have to use?
Thanks in advance,
A.
Hello:
. . . that was a novella!
My apologies.
Quite obviously 25 lines too long.
I have a catfish search launcher ...
catfish --path=%f%d
Both
catfish --path=%f%d
and
catfish --path=%f
work.
But in my case, both go on 'searching' forever without finding s simple txt file on my desktop.
... new launcher by typing "catfish" in the dialog and the command "catfish" and the catfish icon were automatically entered.
I cannot reproduce that behaviour.
Could it be that your Thunar is aware of a path mine does not know of. (?)
... NEVER been asked to update the database or for root PW when using catfish.
Probably because your db file never got to be more that seven days old due to having a cron job that updates the db once a day.
I still have to get to that cron job part.
If I click the configuation button in Catfish (gear at the top right) and select 'Update Search Index', this happens:
and
and
Obviously, I used my root PW.
... here's something I discovered by accident the other day.
Go to a directory in Thunar.
Then if you "ctrl + s" a "search pattern" dialog should pop up.
Has not yet failed to find what I need but it's localized to that directory.
Yes ...
This works as you describe.
Another thing I've found is that running Catfish from a terminal, as root or as a user finds me the file in a flash, but also get me this:
root@groucho:/home/groucho# catfish
Error creating proxy: The connection is closed (g-io-error-quark, 18)
** (catfish.py:13635): CRITICAL **: atk_object_set_description: assertion 'ATK_IS_OBJECT (accessible)' failed
groucho@groucho:~$ catfish
** (catfish.py:14028): CRITICAL **: atk_object_set_description: assertion 'ATK_IS_OBJECT (accessible)' failed
Maybe this is related?
Thanks in advance,
A.
Hello:
I'm trying to get acquainted with the XFCE desktop that comes with Devuan 1.0.0.
One thing I am needing is a bit more functionality.
eg: by configuring actions I am used to having in other file managers I have used in the past (in Mint and PCLinuxos), which can be configured as custom actions in Thunar.
One of them is the 'Search' function for which I need to configure one of these custom actions.
I found instructions for implementing the this here:
https://iwf1.com/how-to-make-xfces-file … re-usable/
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Search
Requirements:
Catfish – a GUI search tool
mlocate – a CLI search tool
-> Done
1. Add new Custom Action button
2. Fill in the following details:
Name: Search
Description: Search for files and folders
Command: catfish –path=%f
Icon: choose or leave empty
-> Done
Appearance Conditions
Fill the following:
File Pattern: *
Appears if selection contains: Directories
-> Done
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All fine and dandy up to here.
Now, when started, Catfish gives you the option to update the database if it is not up to date.
As this has to be done as root, if you opt to update you are asked for your root PW.
The problem I have is that Catfish will not accept my PW.
This can be solved by updating the database from a terminal as root, but it is still a problem.
Why doesn't Catfish accept my PW?
It is the same root PW I use for everything else.
I have the feeling that there's more to this, as Catfish search takes forever (I end up closing it down) but the same system wide search done from the terminal (as root) get done in a flash.
I have the idea that there's a permision/ownership problem somewhere, probably Catfish related.
Any clues?
Thanks in advance.
A.
Note:
[rant]
I would have posted this question at the XFCE Forum (https://forum.xfce.org/) but they have very unfriendly registration process.
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Are you an human?
What is the output of this command :
Linux: date -u +%jXfce|sha256sum|sed 's/\W//g'
FreeBSD/OpenBSD: date -u +%jXfce|sha256|sed 's/\W//g'
NetBSD: date -u +%jXfce|sum -a sha256|sed 's/\W//g'
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Unfortunately, I don't have a Linux installation at the office, which is the place I post from during my lunch hour/free time.
So I'll have to wait to register till I get home.
But ...
Should any of the strings above have an incorrect syntax or your rig does not have the date/time set properly (UTC/GMT) or whatever else can happen to anyone who is starting to get acquainted to Linux and needs help with XFCE, you get this:
The following errors need to be corrected before you can register:
Please prove that you are human and know how the Linux terminal works.
I think this is called a Catch-22?
[/rant]
Hello:
... drafted the following "Devuan fact sheet".
... auto-generated by a script in the future, so it would require almost no maintenance.
Really good idea.
Thanks.
[*]Desktop Environments packaged: LXDE, MATE, Xfce # maybe provide version information[/*]
IMO, including the version information for *any* package as relevant as the DE is a good idea.
Cheers,
A.
Hello:
A BIG 'Congratulations & Thanks' to all of you who have undertaken this daunting task.
I have installed it and although I am having a few 'teething' issues, I am really very happy with it.
Cheers,
A.