Hi

Stumbled on this: https://oracle-base.com/blog/2012/03/16 … ev-issues/

Could this be the issue
Lars H

Hi

Happy that you got things sorted out (sort of). The developers knows about the audio problem but they cannot fix everything debian is doing in a bad manner. But all you needed to know is stated in the release notes. The easy way to deal with pure alsa in a gui is as have said many times to install volumicon-alsa and add it to your desktop startup.

Have a nice day
Lars H

Hi again

That's is just fine. But in many cases the volume is muted so you cant hear anything. This is because most programs defaults to pulseaudio. You can try what i suggested above, or read in the relesenotes howto enable pulseaudio.

Have a nice day
Lars H

Hi again

I can see that a lot more of your processes are running outside the loginmanager. Is this a problem (I think of xfwm and xfdesktop)

My pstree as user for your reference:
pstree
init─┬─apache2─┬─apache2
     │         └─2*[apache2───26*[{apache2}]]
     ├─at-spi-bus-laun─┬─dbus-daemon
     │                 └─3*[{at-spi-bus-laun}]
     ├─at-spi2-registr───2*[{at-spi2-registr}]
     ├─avahi-daemon───avahi-daemon
     ├─colord───2*[{colord}]
     ├─cron
     ├─cups-browsed───2*[{cups-browsed}]
     ├─cupsd───dbus
     ├─2*[dbus-daemon]
     ├─dbus-launch
     ├─dhclient
     ├─elogind-daemon
     ├─exim4
     ├─6*[getty]
     ├─gpg-agent
     ├─gvfs-udisks2-vo───2*[{gvfs-udisks2-vo}]
     ├─gvfsd─┬─gvfsd-trash───2*[{gvfsd-trash}]
     │       └─2*[{gvfsd}]
     ├─gvfsd-metadata───2*[{gvfsd-metadata}]
     ├─polkitd───2*[{polkitd}]
     ├─rsyslogd───3*[{rsyslogd}]
     ├─saned───saned
     ├─slim─┬─Xorg───2*[{Xorg}]
     │      └─sh─┬─ssh-agent
     │           └─xfce4-session─┬─Thunar───3*[{Thunar}]
     │                           ├─agent───2*[{agent}]
     │                           ├─applet.py
     │                           ├─firefox-esr─┬─2*[Web Content───40*[{Web Cont+
     │                           │             ├─2*[Web Content───34*[{Web Cont+
     │                           │             ├─Web Content───39*[{Web Content+
     │                           │             ├─Web Content───21*[{Web Content+
     │                           │             ├─WebExtensions───29*[{WebExtens+
     │                           │             └─76*[{firefox-esr}]
     │                           ├─polkit-gnome-au───2*[{polkit-gnome-au}]
     │                           ├─volumeicon───2*[{volumeicon}]
     │                           ├─wicd-client───2*[{wicd-client}]
     │                           ├─xfce4-panel
     │                           │             ├─panel-2-actions
     │                           │             ├─panel-6-systray
     │                           │             └─14*[{xfce4-panel}]
     │                           ├─xfdesktop───2*[{xfdesktop}]
     │                           ├─xfwm4
     │                           ├─xscreensaver
     │                           └─2*[{xfce4-session}]
     ├─thunderbird───55*[{thunderbird}]
     ├─udevd
     ├─udisksd───4*[{udisksd}]
     ├─upowerd───2*[{upowerd}]
     ├─wicd───wicd-monitor
     ├─xfce4-notifyd───2*[{xfce4-notifyd}]
     ├─xfce4-power-man───2*[{xfce4-power-man}]
     ├─xfce4-terminal─┬─bash───su───bash───aptitude───4*[{aptitude}]
     │                ├─bash
     │                ├─bash───pstree
     │                └─3*[{xfce4-terminal}]
     ├─xfconfd
     └─xfsettingsd───2*[{xfsettingsd}]

Hope this is to some help
Lars H

Hi

Welcome
I am sure you will find what you want in Devuan

Have a nice day
Lars H

It

Removing systemd is the reason, but it it is built on top of debian, not ubuntu, mint and other mostly newcomer friendly systems. And debian is not noob friendly. But if you want something new, and something you can make your own it is a very good foundation (that's why ubuntu and mint are based on debian).

And because of the extent that systemd has taken over the control af the whole linux-world it is not a simple task to remove and keep the system usefull at the same time.

Have a nice day
Lars H

Hi

Look here https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Devuan_ … structions

Most ppa's expect systemd. And not having that is the sole reason behind creating Devuan. Is this maybe your problem ??

Have a  nice day
Lars H

Hi

The most important thing when trying something new is to stay calm. Try to see how the default works. They are quite often default for a reason. And as you get used to it you can change a few things. So it is you who are making things complicated because you want devuan to behave like Linux Mint in a hurry. And off course it does not work like that. Try and experiment and you might be surprised when you get used to something new ;-))

Have a nice day
Lars H

Hi

And this is a problem. Unfortunately allmost every gui to day are using pulseaudio, and thereby reducing latency for sound (it makes the sound worse). I know only two current gui programs that  works with alsa. Volumicon-alsa for gtk (wich I use myself) and as far as I know it qasmixer for qt. I think it is a shame people think they need pulseaudio. It is actually just a software layer that was added to solve some old problems with pure ALSA, that is not there today. I my humble opinion these two alternatives should be default in Devuan, and pulseaudio completely removed. I have it removed on my system because i use it for sound production with jack. At least as this is the most asked quatstion the alternatives should have been mentioned in the relsenotes.

Have a nice day
Lars H

Hi

Many people has these problems with sound on Devuan. Should in my opinion be fixed (and optimal without using pulseaudio)

As you are using a gtk environment, i would install volumeicon-alsa and add it to the startuplist. This is one of a few guis for pure ALSA. And it works and integrates well. And no need for deteriorating sound through pulseaudio which mostly add latency.

Have a nice say
Lars H

Hi

You are on ascii-stein (as in Frrankenstein the monster). Almost no new features are being installed. Only packages that requires no new dependencies or removals are being updated. But if it stable at the moment wait until you feel ready to finish the upgrade. Good luck with your upgrade

Have a nice day
Lars H

Hi again

If you did know everything well enough then you would not have a problem ;-)) So please don't be rude. Many other people have this board running well with linux. Again: How is your partioning. How is your fstab. Try with bios fail-safe settings. Beowulf does mostly install well on secureboot only machines. This is one af the main features of Debian Buster. If you are doing all sorts of tricks, chances are you are screwing things up. And if you want help please provide the necessary information. We do all make simple mistakes from time to time.

Have a nice day