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#76 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Upgrading a video card » 2023-11-30 18:43:10

Once I get done shuffling hardware I'll have to see about creating a single transferable setup. These 1050TI cards will be going into older systems, MSI motherboards while the boards they were on before are Asus. It would be very nice to just have one standard install across all systems. I could then download updates once on my slow DSL connection and then just copy the files around.

#77 Re: News & Announcements » Shape of things to come? 8^° » 2023-11-30 18:39:02

aluma wrote:

It started out so well

But then it was bought by IBM... how could that end well? And MS has incorporated Linux, which Steve Balmer condemned as a 'viral' threat, into its own OS. The GNU license and similar strategies worked for a while, but the rent-seekers adapted. They have got new strategies to capture or subvert the FOSS movement and now the movement will have to adapt in return.

#78 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Upgrading a video card » 2023-11-29 14:49:09

That's a thought that occurred to me. There is more to system drivers than video, but I wonder what the complexity of creating an install that works on a few different systems would be. Not a generic "Live CD" that has to probe and select a bunch of drivers every time it boots, but something that understands and runs on a few system configurations that I happen to have. Since I have drive trays that allow easy swapping of HDs, it would be cool to have a single OS setup that I could move around between machines.

#79 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Upgrading a video card » 2023-11-27 22:00:47

Yes, it worked. I just replaced the card and started up my Chimaera install and it worked like before. Played some games just to see that it works in 3D mode as well as desktop. No noticeable problems. The previous card as an nVidia 1050TI, the new one is nVidia 3050. Three generations difference, and the driver just works? After getting acclimated to all the Wind'ohs rigmarole this is confusing.

#80 Re: DIY » So I guess there's no getting around having to use GTK3 and Wayland? » 2023-11-22 18:07:39

This thread has me thinking I need to learn how to do this 'windowing environment only' without a desktop style of computer use.

#81 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Upgrading a video card » 2023-11-22 18:04:30

Well, it would be quite a surprise to be able to just replace the video card with something 3 generations newer and just load the same driver. But I guess I can try it.

#82 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Upcoming browser changes » 2023-11-22 18:03:18

The feedback here is not encouraging. There is a multi-pronged effort underway to capture FOSS into the standard 'mainstream' tech revenue channels and there doesn't seem to be much push-back.

Thoughts:

* Firefox has been dying, in large part due to complacency by Mozilla as well as Google's machination to make Chrome dominant. Could this push to cripple ad-blockers be a possible 'big break' for Mozilla and Firefox? When millions of people who have gotten used to browsing without constant ad-spam find they are forced to see ads, will there be a mass movement back to Firefox?

* If this does not occur, it may be 'fork time' again. Someone ought to copy the Firefox code base and start a new project to have a browser genuinely free of corporate control.

* The Wayland/X thing is more abstruse. It's about an underlying layer of the system, not a user-facing program. The concept "mature product" just doesn't seem to mean anything anymore. Change for the sake of change (and for the sake of revenue) is now so normalized that most people don't see the problem, and there probably won't a a single major event like the upcoming ad-blockalypse on Chrome to galvanize resistance. But there will be a larger, long-term price if the reports of the bugginess of Wayland are true. Can "we" (the common users of Linux who are not infrastructure techies) apply some sort of pressure on desktop developers to always keep backwards compatibility with X? I see that even XFCE has been making plans to adopt Wayland. This is the last major desktop to not already have been ruined by 'featurism'. If it gets sucked into the bloat wave I dunno what I could use. Maybe it would be time to fork that also? Cinnamon and Mate have worked out relatively well.

#83 Desktop and Multimedia » Upcoming browser changes » 2023-11-21 19:31:23

Micronaut
Replies: 36

Both Firefox and Chrome are making some transitions soon.

Firefox is apparently moving towards "Waylund", this new desktop system. Some features that use it will be enabled by default soon. This unnecessary change is a concern because it looks to me like the next systemd. (And it comes from Red Hat like that did...) This makes me wonder if it is present or close to being implemented in Devuan? Does it look like there will be a push by major players in the Linux community to force it to be implemented as we have seen with systemd? There doesn't seem to be any justification for it, again, like systemd, so I hope the "if it ain't broke" principle will hold here, as well. X works fine for any ordinary use cases.

Other than that I see that extensions of WASM are also being pushed. At least those should be easy to disable, being only in the browser itself.

Chrome is about to change how extensions work, apparently in the name of security. One major thing this will affect is ad-blockers. (Quelle surprise...) Given that it is becoming a standard like Internet Exploder used to be, I do sometimes have to use Chrome to access certain sites. So I'm concerned that the functions of ad-blockers will be curtailed by this change. Will the Chromium 'unbranded' version also be forced to follow this new standard? Or could they possibly keep hooks for both types of extensions? I haven't used Chromium much but it's looking more interesting with the possible crippling of ad-blockers in Chrome  itself.

#84 Hardware & System Configuration » Upgrading a video card » 2023-11-21 19:19:06

Micronaut
Replies: 9

New video cards are sitting here and I'm planning to place them in existing systems. This is a completely new generation of vNidia cards, so I'm sure the installed driver will not be compatible. What is the usual way to do this in Linux? Is it how I would expect:

Re-enable the Noveau driver and uninstall the current proprietary drivers
Shut down, make the hardware swap.
Restart and install the proprietary drivers again

Or is there some better process?

#85 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan 4.0 in a VirtualBox VM cannot finish booting » 2023-06-27 16:56:49

Dunno what it was, but it would not load to desktop. I first shut it down and turned off 3D acceleration. That seemed to work, but it complained about possible excess CPU usage. When shut down again and restored the 3D acceleration, it still loaded to desktop. So, maybe it just needed the shutdown and restart?

#86 Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan 4.0 in a VirtualBox VM cannot finish booting » 2023-06-26 18:11:18

Micronaut
Replies: 2

I've got a copy of Devuan 4 running in a VM so I can use Google Chrome for certain things without upgrading to Windows 10. It has been working flawlessly for months, but today I got a small update of some sort, I forget what the packages were, and when I restart it won't finish booting. I can sign in, but the desktop never appears, it just sits there with a black screen. Was there an update to display functions in some recent packages?

#87 Re: Devuan » Devuan 5 Daedalus Release (Debian 12 - Bookworm) | Looking for info » 2023-06-15 17:18:20

When I saw the announcement of Debian 12 I wondered how quickly the next Devuan release would follow. Good to see others had the same question. smile

Not in a rush, though. They should do everything right. This time I hope they get the proprietary video drivers to install without leaving issues that cannot be fixed.

#88 Re: Installation » Installing from USB thumb drive » 2022-12-10 21:07:43

Nope, same old same old. Every time the system boots, I get the error:

[    0.862162] udevd[118]: Error running install command 'modprobe -i nvidia-current ' for module nvidia: retcode 1

Looks like the nVidia drivers just cannot be properly installed in Devuan. But the system does run, so at least it's a minor error, not a system ruining disaster.

#90 Re: Installation » Installing from USB thumb drive » 2022-11-28 17:31:01

You misunderstand what I am referring to. I am not complaining about the 'no non-free software by default' policy, I am referring to a permanent bug in the install of said software if you choose to do so. viz.

https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=4802

#91 Re: Installation » Installing from USB thumb drive » 2022-11-28 16:27:44

OK, I finally decided not to let myself be 'too busy' and actually try again. The install works flawlessly from a plastic disk. Same ISO. So why could it not do its job from a USB? Odd.

It was late at night when I did this, so I didn't do all my usual customizations yet. Now I'm preparing to do all the customization, such as installing the nVidia drivers. Has the odd problem of permanently incomplete install of proprietary video drivers been solved in chimaera? Or will I have to go back to those threads about elaborate extra steps to complete the installation?

#92 Hardware & System Configuration » Kernel issue with Intel video » 2022-10-06 00:49:20

Micronaut
Replies: 1

Yikes! Has a Linux kernel ever damaged people's hardware before?

https://linux.slashdot.org/story/22/10/ … he-display

Intel Linux laptop users on Linux 5.19.12 have begun reporting "white flashing" display issues with one user describing it as "[the] laptop display starts to blink like lights in a 90's rave party." Intel Linux kernel engineer Ville Syrjal posted this week on the kernel mailing list: "After looking at some logs we do end up with potentially bogus panel power sequencing delays, which may harm the LCD panel."

#93 Re: Installation » Installing from USB thumb drive » 2022-10-05 01:54:42

I've burned a DVD but haven't had the time to try again yet. It's gonna need a couple hours (at least) to install the OS and then all the little tweaks that I like in any distro. Probably this weekend I'll try again. If it still doesn't work I'm gonna be very annoyed.

But that 'ventoy' utility looks very interesting. Gonna have to try that out.

#94 Re: Installation » Installing from USB thumb drive » 2022-10-03 00:05:53

Yes, I rebooted and it booted from the USB drive and started the installer. Then it complained it could not 'mount' the install media to get something it needed. Very odd.

This is the 4 GB 'desktop' ISO. I like a full install, don't want to have to download too much.

#95 Installation » Installing from USB thumb drive » 2022-10-01 23:23:51

Micronaut
Replies: 22

Since I don't want to fall behind, I decided it was time to install a copy of chimera. Trying to be 'up-to-date' in other ways as well, I created a thumb drive with Rufus instead of burning a DVD. But when I plugged the USB drive into the machine and tried to get it to install it complained it could not 'mount' the install media. ??? Didn't it already 'mount' the install media if the installer is running? Is there a problem with installing Devuan from a USB drive rather than a DVD?

#96 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan and VirtualBox » 2022-05-03 12:17:48

But it's on an ISO image. I'd have to edit the ISO. Kinda extreme for a small glitch. Though I found a fix with the sh invocation, someone else had another idea. Edit fstab and replace the 'auto' attribute on the cdrom mount with 'exec' and then it should run. Apparently this is the mistake that Devuan makes compared to CentOS. Using 'auto' on the cdrom mount.

/dev/sr0        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,exec     0       0

#97 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan and VirtualBox » 2022-05-02 17:54:12

Just got to work by invoking with sh instead of a plain reference. Apparently that gets around whatever the permissions issue is. We'll see how difficult it is next time...

Now to test the interface and see if it's possible to communicate between host and VM properly.

#98 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan and VirtualBox » 2022-05-02 17:31:36

After literally removing the virtual drive and re-adding it, the machine still won't run the additions CD. I get a popup that says "Error autorunning software" and "cannot find the autorun program"...

This is the exact same CD that just ran in the CentOS VM.

Manually running it as root doesn't work:
/media/cdrom/auotrun.sh returns "permission denied"

#99 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan and VirtualBox » 2022-05-02 16:50:15

The host is Windows 8.1, and the VirtualBox install comes directly from the Oracle site, not a third-party 'download site'. This is version 6.1.32 so it's pretty recent.

Are special modules needed in the kernel? I didn't need to build anything special with CentOS, though it might have detected its environment and chosen a kernel with any special modules already installed. In that case, it was possible to install the Additions CD and everything seems to work.

Edit: I went and got the latest from Oracle, it's 6.1.34, and also the extensions and additions. After updating the VBox software itself, the CentOS happily updated its additions. That worked fine. The Devuan VM won't let me change the iso in the virtual drive. Error:

Could not mount the media/drive 'C:\Program Files\Oracle\VirtualBox\VBoxGuestAdditions.iso' (VERR_PDM_MEDIA_LOCKED).

Result Code:
E_FAIL (0x80004005)
Component:
ConsoleWrap
Interface:
IConsole {872da645-4a9b-1727-bee2-5585105b9eed}
Callee:
IMachine {85632c68-b5bb-4316-a900-5eb28d3413df}

Clicking the 'force unmount' button has not effect.

#100 Hardware & System Configuration » Devuan and VirtualBox » 2022-05-02 15:08:15

Micronaut
Replies: 10

Not wanting to use Windows 10 / 11 or how ever many iterations are coming to the MS Kiosk, but not being certain I can completely toss all access to Windows, I have been trying to configure a VM to use as a browser sandbox. Hopefully this would allow the safe maintenance of a Windows 8.1 system after security patches end next year. Other exposure to the Internet should not be necessary.

Installing Devuan 3.1 into a Virtual Box VM, I find an oddity. It is not possible to run the VB Additions CD. BUT... Devuan seems to already be integrated in certain ways. I don't have to fiddle around with the focus settings or use right-ctrl to capture focus. Usually you have to install the additions to have integration like that. And yet, the other things I need the additions for don't work. Clipboard integration, for example. I can click the options on the menu, but they have no effect. There is just no way to copy from the VM to the host. Or vice versa. I had been using the shared folder option to get data into and out of the VM, but today that stopped working and I can't get it to work again.

WHY would Devuan not allow the additions CD to run? I mean, really not allow. I get 'permission denied' when I try to run it either a s user or as root. And since it won't allow the additions to be installed, why is it partially integrated anyway?

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