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#51 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-10 19:02:59

running refractainstaller-uefi from cli

Everything goes fine and I get the message about chrooting.  In the chroot I do a dpkg -l | grep grub, and it shows the grub-efi packages are installed.  So I choose the second set of options.

Running grub-install, I get an error message that EFI directory doesn't exist.  There is a /boot/efi/EFI directory, which has 4 subdirectories in it.  Running find / -name EFI -print  shows that this is the only EFI on the system.  I do see that grub-install has an option to set the path to this directory.

Is grub-install expecting that nvme0n1p1 (the 200M EFI System partition) be mounted someplace?  And so I need to indicate the mount point?  I wonder what kind of formatting that partition has?  Did gdisk format it?

Hmmm, things to research.

#52 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-10 17:14:55

Okay, I can try the cli installer.  I am getting okay at typing nvme0n1p9 anyway.

The /var/log/messages file had 2 booting sessions in it.  I think the first is the booting of the VM, and the second is the (attempted) booting of the NVMe.  The end of the messages file is a bunch of nulls.  I don't see any obvious errors in it.

The NIC is getting the igp driver, but for whatever reason it never comes up.  There seems to be problems with bad non volatile memory in the I211 NIC, but I am not seeing that in the log file.

Rebooting the VM, I see nothing in the log file or .xsession-errors about the NIC.  WICD tries to do something, but I don't know why it is failing.

I downloaded lubuntu-17.10, and booted it to live-cd.  It too uses igp for a driver, and this gets an IP.  So I now know that the cable works.  I've got some stuff to do outside, and then I'll come back and try to figure out what lubuntu is doing differently.

And try the cli installer.

#53 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-09 23:44:15

This is the stock BIOS on the motherboard, and I've had the motherboard for a while.  Overclockers has a long thread on the BIOS of this card, and there have been many BIOS updates.  At the moment, all the settings (except for the UEFI) are stock.

#54 Re: Installation » Spinning rust, SSDs and a RAID-10 /home » 2017-12-09 23:34:16

I was hoping that some btrfs experts might come by, oh well ....

I used gdisk (from SysRescue) to partition the disk.  Partition #1 of each device is a 200 (201?) MB EFI System Partition (I believe starting at sector 2048).

A NVMe "disk" is the root device, which has a bunch of partitions to be used eventually, and a scratch partition to install Devuan into initially.  If the previous partition is less than 1G, no extra space was inserted.  For partitions bigger than 1G, a space of 129 (or 128) MB was used.  There will be a bunch of partitions, and about half of the NVMe was partitioned.

The 4 (spinning rust) disks got a 16G partition (2 for swap, 2 for /tmp as a RAID-0), and then almost everything else to be part of a RAID-10 /home.

With gdisk, if you want an "empty space" before a partition begins, instead of using a sector number, you can give it an offset.  For a beginning value, the offset probably is positive.  So I typically used +129M as an offset (gdisk seems to round things, and if you want a 128MB space, it seems like you need to enter +129M).  For the end of disks, I wanted to assign all the space except for about 40GB or so, so I used -40G (or -48G ?) for the end value of a partition.

The thinking is that if you go to unfragment a partition at some point, and you are using a smart program for unfragmenting, it will notice this unallocated space adjoining the partition and use it when unfragmenting.

#55 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-09 23:20:18

The boot menu I had been seeing, was the isolinux one.

I did fiddle with the BIOS, and told it to try UEFI first.  So the boot menu I seen there (for yet another install :-) ) was grub.  And the install was slightly different form before (as /sys/firmware/efi existed), and at the end I did the dpkg -i grub*deb in the chroot.  grub complained about a missing BIOS boot block.  I've been going by Rod's Books when using gdisk, and the EFI partition (#1) is 200MB in size at the beginning of the device.  Maybe I misunderstood something about the setup?  I thought this BIOS boot block thing was about hybrid disks, and this system is Linux only.

I then attempted to boot from the NVMe.  I got a couple of messages before the mode change, and then basically nothing for a long time (20 minutes?).  I've booted the refracta CD again, and mounted the NVMe partition in question, and /var/log/messages caught the boot sequence in some respect.  I haven't read through it yet.

#56 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-09 18:20:13

Back again.

I tried running the install again.  The refract error log has an error with grub-install of
/usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/modinfo.sh
doesn't exist.  specify target or directory.

There is a /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi directory, and it has a modinfo.sh file.

The install doesn't use the uefi installer, as /sys/firmware/efi doesn't exist.

I tried looking in the refracta shell scripts and the config file for this /usr/lib/grub subdirectory name, and if it is there, I missed it.

But, from the BIOS, if I choose the NVMe to boot, it is just a silent failure.  No grub menu or grub shell is ever displayed.

The refracta environment is also loading the igb driver for the network.  I'm beginning to think the cable might be bad, so maybe I should check that.

#57 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-09 17:14:12

Good morning (or at least it is morning here).

I can attempt to boot the new installation from the SystemRescue CD (which I believe is still a 3. kernel?), and it complains about no /sbin/init.  I think it is looking for some different /sbin/init than what it is finding (it is a binary executable on the NVMe).  If I attempt to boot the NVMe from the BIOS, it just silently fails.

Or, it silently failed after today's messing around.  And it might be that I messed things up.

I chrooted into that scratch partition, and ran dpkg-reconfigure on the grub packages.  Three do nothing, and the one that does something complains about the efi being bad.  I also ran update-initramfs -u

Just booting the SystemRescue CD, it will not bring the NIC up.  lspci identifies it as a I211 that is using igb as a driver.

There are 4 directories under /boot/efi/EFI.  They all contain a grubx64.efi file that is the same size.

I guess the next thing to do, is to reboot your disk, and reinstall from refracta, and maybe that undoes something I screwed up.

I once got asked to stand in and teach a UNIX class at a college.  They insisted that everyone know vi.  I figured that as long as they could find and use an editor, that was all that was needed.  nano works fine.

#58 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-09 01:35:26

This machine (and most of my machines) connect to the OpenWRT router via an unmanaged switch.  But, when I looked at the switch before plugging in this new machine, all the ports are full.

Some of the disks I have booted, have attempted to configure networking, and been unsuccessful.  I am beginning to think that unmanaged switches don't like to have old hardware removed and new hardware installed.

The GUI does have a menu item to use the refracta (I hope I spelled that correct) installer.  I ran that, and it allowed me to pick the scratch partition, and it seemed to install stuff.  But, a reboot would not get there, but maybe I need to mess with the BIOS on that.  I then booted the system rescue CD, and attempted to have it boot into an OS on the machine.  No joy there.  But maybe it doesn't look in /dev/nvme* for OS's?

The router should only have WAN and a single LAN connection (to the switch).  So I should be able to plug the network cable into the router, and maybe then dhclient (or whatever) will be able to get an IP, and be able to connect to the internet.

That should allow me using the system rescue CD, to boot into what refracta installed.

I do have another unmanaged switch here (never used) with 8 ports (more than the 5 the current switch has), because my network is growing.  So I could invoke that.

But the ISO that fsmithred produced still looks like a good start.  He doesn't want complaints, can I send teases?  Emacs is not present.  So I will guess that fsmithred is a vi person.  :-)  I seen a virc file from (I believe) Tom Christensen (one of the gods of Perl), and it was huge.  So I have no doubt that vi works well for some people.  One explanation I've seen on vi/emacs, is how long your fingers are.  Sure.  I don't think mine are that much longer than everyone elses.  And I've never written any extension in LISP.  So I guess I am not a _real_ emacs user.

Everyone can have problems.  I think I am a long ways along the process of getting Devuan working on this "razor edge" machine.  :-)

I am just missing a few details.

I think I like penguinista more than ryzenista.  But, I had never run across the Ryzen version before.

Live long and prosper.
Gord

#59 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-09 00:31:09

I went part way through the Debian install, thinking I could maybe get the NVME "SSD" and the 4 spinning rust disks partitioned.  But the Debian installer doesn't really look like it is set up to do GPT disks "nicely".  So, I bailed without writing any GPT partitions.

Oh, this was my first NVMe device.  I had no idea what it would be called.  There is a /dev/nvme and then there is a /dev/nvme0n1.  One is not a symlink to the other, the first is a character device and the second (nvme0n1) is a block device, just like a disk.  It is this second one that I partitioned.

I downloaded the latest System Rescue CD (because it has GPT fdisk tools from Rod Smith), and I booted that just fine.  I put GPT partitions on all 5 devices, with 201MB EFI System partitions in position 1.  The NVMe got a /boot (2), root (3), usr (4), var (5), usr/local (6), var/log (7), opt (8) and a scratch (9) partition.  For 2 of the spinning rust disks, position 2 is swap (16G) and for the other 2 it is to be a RAID-0 (striped) /tmp.   But those are all the same size (16GiB).  The third partition is everything remaining, except for about 48 GiB, which works out to about 1.8TiB.

I then used the system rescue CD to mkswap -c on the two swap spaces.

I then switched over to fsmithred's DVD and it too booted just fine, to a GUI.  I thought I was just going to have the text console on F1.   It starts up an xterm of some kind as user.  User doesn't have permission to run gdisk (which is in /sbin), so I 'su root' to get a root shell, and gdisk can find the 5 devices just fine.  So it looks good to install, if I can remember how to do these things.  :-)

It is probably going to be easier just to install everything into a single partition, which is what that scratch partition is for.  I can then put a btrfs partition on the root, and set up the directories needed to mount other partitions on.  Next I probably need to setup the RAID0 /tmp, and I typically use ext2 for /tmp.  The /usr, /var, /usr/local, /var and /opt partitions are all 32GiB in size (probably too big), and I will format them with ext4.  Which leaves setting up /home as a btrfs RAID10, which is a completely new process to me (I've only ever used single partition btrfs for /home).

Anyway, what I've done for 2 machines with updated hardware since summer ended, is install to the scratch space, do an archive copy to all the mounted partitions, chroot to the new root, dpkg-reconfigure the grub packages, adjust /etc/fstab and some of the apt configuration in /etc to make use of my local apt-cache setup (I think it is actually apt-cacheng), and then I think I can boot into the new system.  But maybe I missed a step or two in there.

(The two previous machines were running Debian/stable (Jessie).  They were upgraded to Devuan/Jessie (which is still a 3. kernel), upgraded to Devuan/Ascii, had a 4. kernel installed and btrfs utilities, formatted all the various filesystems, and then  copied from a scratch partition to the set of mounted partitions.  I have one more machine to upgrade after this, the server for the LAN.  And then everything on the LAN is Devuan.  For now - I have a bunch of RPi coming in the future, and my routers run OpenWRT.)

It does look optimistic at this point.

#60 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-08 19:41:32

Thanks a lot.  I think I should be able to figure it out.  I started with Linux with the 1.2.13 kernel (Yggdrasil, or something like that).  Me and command lines go way back.

Some place in my old hardware pile, I have a pair of AMD CPUs that double as heaters.  I think they are still on a motherboard, I don't remember if it was working when I replaced them, but it is likely they still work.

#61 Installation » Spinning rust, SSDs and a RAID-10 /home » 2017-12-08 16:46:13

ghaverla
Replies: 1

I'm trying to get some other preparations done in the hope that some way to install devuan onto a "razor edge" system pop up.  :-)

I like the idea of swap (I've almost killed VAX 11/785 computers with swapping issues way back when) and a big /tmp on spinning rust.  And from what I've read, having swap on SSD isn't really a good idea.

I have four 2TB Seagate NAS drives in the new machine.  The idea is to use a gpt partitioning on all of these devices, and set aside the first 32GB of each device for something.  On the first two disks, they get set aside for (parallel) swap.  On the second two disks, they get set aside to be a RAID-0 (striped) /tmp (ext2).

So that leaves us with almost 2TB of free space on all devices (and nominally all the same size).

I think (no proof) that leaving some space unallocated is a good thing.  I'm currently playing with the Debian-Buster alpha2 installer (as it boots) on the new hardware, and it has a limited idea of how to do gpt.  It will allow me to place a partition at the beginning or end of free space.  It will not (easily) allow me to put a partition in the middle of free space.

Does a person need a bit of unallocated space at the end of a swap or /tmp partition?  If a person doesn't need unallocated space at the end of those partitions, then installing a partition onto the beginning of the free space following that swap (or /tmp) should work fine.  I was thinking of using 98% of the free space, which would leave something like 40GB at the end of the disk unallocated.  Is that enough?  Or should a person only allocate say 70%, so that you can free up some room for storage when you go to buy new disks and are waiting for them to get delivered?

#62 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-08 13:06:26

Razor edge?  Some of these parts have been sitting on the shelf for 6 months, waiting for winter to allow time to put things together.  :-)

But, if you want me to try a bunch of things, I can try to do that.  I shouldn't run out of disk space with 4TB of completely empty RAID-10 disk (rust) space.

#63 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-08 13:02:21

Okay, I will check back later today.

The Debian-Buster alpha2 install DVD was finished downloading when I woke up (and no coffee yet), so I burned it and tried it.  It boots and lets me choose a language, country, UTF-8 locale (and then I stopped).  So perhaps that information is useful?

Have a great day!

#64 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-08 04:51:14

I tried to get to an text terminal with the NET ISO, and nothing happened, so I am guessing that nothing keyboard or mouse was working.

Just now, I burned the refracta to a DVD and booted it.  It got through the boot fine, but once everything settled there was no response to keyboard or mouse.  Just like the NET ISO and DVD install images.

It's getting late, time to go to sleep.

#65 Re: Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-08 03:28:18

I kind of thought that was the situation.   That if I had to use the Debian-Buster alpha2 installer to put linux on this machine, that I would have to wait for a while before I could upgrade it to Devuan.

Of course, seamonkey got cut off for too long in downloads, and so I had to use wget to finish things.  I have the Devuan-Live and Refracta ISOs downloaded.  I will burn and try them, starting with the refracta as if I can format filesystems from the Live disk, I want to have a Linux-4.x kernel to make the btrfs filesystems.

I am hoping I don't have to use this Debian-Buster thing.

#66 Installation » Is Devuan Ryzen? » 2017-12-08 00:44:09

ghaverla
Replies: 44

I seen the
Ascii installer image? by mskala
thread, and I have the Devuan-Live and refracto ISOs downloading.  I also have the full Debian-Buster alpha2 installer downloading.  But if I have to install that, it may be a while before I can upgrade to Devuan.  :-)

I just finished assembling a new machine:
Asus x370 Prime Pro
Ryzen 1600X
32 GB RAM (G.Skill)
RX-560 GPU
boot device is a partition on a NVMe M.2 500GB "SSD"
4 Seagate 2TB rust drives (to be set up as a btrfs RAID-10 for /home)
Currently using a BluRay optical, will be changed to an ordinary DVD after install (plus a couple of weeks)

It powered up, and I could see all the fancy things in the BIOS.  I could select the optical device (as SATA) and boot both the Devuan install DVD and the Devuan netinst CD.  You get to the splash screen, and the keyboard works to let you select expert install.  First set of menu's to set the language, everything locks up.  Or at least appears to.  Nothing on the keyboard seems to work.  I never tried getting to another text console to see if the logs or dmesg is showing anything.

Hopefully one of those two ISO's will work.  And then we can close this thread.

Gord

#67 Other Issues » UPS, digital power supplies and what jobs use power » 2017-11-18 02:35:00

ghaverla
Replies: 1

I run BOINC jobs (and I am not an expert at this).  And I have UPSes which can report on how much power is being used.  And for one machine (soon to be 2), I have digital power supplies which can report on how much power is being used at 3.3, 5 and 12V.

At the moment, I am just learning about this, and so I am just doing publicly available BOINC stuff.  My intention is to make my own BOINC jobs served by a BOINC server I run. Which allows me the possibility of farming out jobs to other people to work on.  Which is partially funny, as at the end of the day, what I am trying to improve is farming in the part of the world where I live.

I have 3 UPS in use (1 not yet in use), and 3 of them are from CyberPower.  The outlier is a APC UPS that I have had forever.

NUT (Network UPS Tools) is probably the tool most people should use, unless the UPS they have isn't supported by NUT.  Another possible reason to not use NUT, is that the data you want/need is not currently provided by NUT.

So, I am starting from the assumption that NUT is the system installed.  And among the things NUT does, is by default it looks for UPS data every 15 seconds.

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If a computer which has a digital power supply is being "probed", the NUT daemon  will be able to provide information about the UPS which is supplying that computer.  The power supply itself, can also supply information on what it is supplying.  The data provided by the UPS should always be higher than the data supplied by the digital power supply.  The difference is the inefficiency of the power supply.  All other things (not yet specified) being equal, we are not expecting the difference to be constant.  The times when the UPS is providing data are not synchronised and/or sampled at the same times that the digital power supply are providing data.  If the UPS in question is providing power to more than one computer, that is another source of difference between the two estimates of how much power is being used.

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Whether or not any of the computers on our LAN have digital power supplies, we (may) have some information as to how much power is being used.

But, we do have some information as to what processes are using a lot of resources at any given time.  And as near as I can tell (and I have a Perl bias), libgtop (a Gnome product?) is the place to start there.  And so we want to find the N processes that are using significant resources.  Resources could be CPU time, but it may also be disk access or swap.  And I am going to guess you only want to note things using more than 10% of the maximum usage.  So at any given sampling time, we have the N processes using significant resources in terms of possibly more than one criteria.

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From lmsensors, we may have data about the temperature of the CPU(s) and/or GPU(s) in use, as well as temperatures for storage devices being used.  All of which is an estimate of how much power those items are using.

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To tie this into BOINC, a person wants:
1. to be able to identify if a process getting significant resources is a BOINC project process.
2. if it is a BOINC project process, what project it comes from.
3. if it is a BOINC project process, is it a CPU only process?
4. if it is a BOINC process split between CPU and GPU, how much power is each using?  If multiple GPU are involved, how much is each using?
5. other stuff.

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None of this is about controlling a UPS.  It is about reading data from a UPS.  But it does depend on software being present to control a UPS.  Or rather, monitor the UPS to determine when to shutdown a system.

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I'm just starting this.  I'm working in Perl (as much as I can).

I am not a security expert, I am seeing security "problems" in NUT.  But, I suspect most of this isn't a problem, it is just "theoretical".

What I find as I go on, who knows?

#68 Re: Other Issues » Boinc » 2017-11-10 19:56:37

The 8 core computer with RX-460 continues to crunch.  The only GPU work it gets is from Einstein@Home, which are jobs which are about equally split between CPU and GPU.  SETI@Home jobs I believe all assume you are running Catalyst (or Crimson) or AMDGPU-Pro (in other words, proprietary).

I moved a mini-ITX motherboard from a fullsize ATX case into a mini-ITX case.  This has a A10-7860k APU.  It was  planned to run with a R7-250, but that seemed to require Crimson, which was a nightmare.  The R7-250 was replaced with a HD-6450, which ran under Catalyst (but was proprietary).  On the move, I put a RX-550 into the machine.  The HDMI output is plugged into the motherboard, and so makes use of the GPU part of the A10.  The RX-550 is left all alone to do crunching.  Perhaps in the future it will be possible to get the GPU side of the A10 to number crunch as well.

Initial E@H estimated time was 1:11, first job ran in 34 minutes.

I am only allowing 2 (of 4) CPU cores to run BOINC, leaving 2 free for other stuff.  Perhaps a person can throw another CPU at things?

#69 Re: Other Issues » Boinc » 2017-10-19 22:55:01

The computer most recently upgraded (8 CPU processor and RX-460) seems to be doing okay.  It is doing Einstein@Home GPU jobs, it will not do SETI@Home jobs (they require Catalyst as I understand things).  The computer first upgraded (2 CPU and HD5450) probably could do jobs, if it had Catalyst installed.  It is doing CPU jobs now.  I was running a 4.7 version of BOINC compiled from source.  It is now running a 4.8 version of BOINC from Devuan packaging.

The computer with the 8CPU processor, I was running a perldb job in emacs, and generating a LOT of output, and emacs started running out of memory (8GB RAM and 16GB swap).  I got "Computation Error" on a whole bunch of BOINC jobs.  :-)

#70 Re: Other Issues » Boinc » 2017-10-08 19:06:27

Maybe I am reading too much.  :-)

I am not too overjoyed at having purchased hardware to find it deprecated, or about to be deprecated.  Some of this I may be mis-interpreting.

Advances in the Xorg server have made fglrx (Catalyst or Crimson) a non-starter for anyone with an up to date OS.  Mesa/Clover/libclc/Clang is providing a OpenCL-1.1 environment, and work continues.  It appears that the choke point in this is libclc.  Apparently nobody has tried (published?) an attempt to run OpenCL-1.2 tests against this combination.  What is there now, is 1.1 with extensions, and most of what is needed for 1.2 seems to be done.  But there doesn't seem to be any urgency in getting to this 1.2 state.  I'm not writing code, so it is easy for me to write.

AMD helped with the open source amdgpu module, and produces a proprietary amdgpu-pro driver.  Does this driver following the same philosophy as fglrx?  Is it just as enjoyable to work with?  In any event,  I gather AMDs answer to Clover is ROCm.  While amdgpu is supposed to support all GCN cards/GPUs, ROCm doesn't seem to support all of GCN.  So, if you follow the AMD hardware side and go to ROCm for OpenCL support, you may find that your older hardware will not play any more.  For instance, my A10-7860k APU and R7-250 GPU would be too old.

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In any event, Einstein CPU and GPU jobs are working on the RX-460 using MESA (no fglrx).  SETI sent some GPU jobs, but as near as I can tell it is only compiling them for Oland (and fglrx).  So I get a build failure, and it pauses for a while, and then another build failure.  Oland is what was in this computer before (the R7-250).  I have looked to see if there is some old data file doing this, but I am drawing a blank.  The CPU jobs are coming through fine.

I have stopped downloading new tasks on this machine to empty the queue (except for these build failures, which will never run I guess), as I am ready to copy my old /home to a new disk, and BOINC data actually sits in /home.

Which may give me time to see what this HD5450 can do again.

Happy Thanksgiving!

#71 Re: Other Issues » Boinc » 2017-10-08 02:47:07

After deleting (for a second time) the EAH boinc package in Devuan, I am seeing EAH jobs running.

They don't seem to be segfaulting in the first few seconds, but who knows if they calculate anything useful at this point?

#72 Re: Other Issues » Boinc » 2017-10-08 01:36:49

Looking in the "slots", I have found a log file of interest.

It is looking for a OpenCL kernel file, which is not present.  Is this file supposed to be part of the download from Seti@Home, or is it supposed to be calculated locally?

This is being manually typed (not cut and paste), so there could be errors

AstroPulse_Kernels_ r2751.cl_ bin_V7_TWIN_FFA_1721

The only OpenCL things I am seeing for GPU, are Oland files.

#73 Re: Other Issues » Boinc » 2017-10-08 00:21:08

Seti@Home downloaded some GPU jobs today, and all of them resulted in build failures.  I am seeing files in the BOINC directory for Seti@Home related to OLAND, but a RX-460 is Polaris not Oland.  I will guess that Seti@Home is assuming catalyst driver, and not MESA?  I think the libclc I have is new enough, certainly LLVM-5.0 is greater than 3.8 (which is where problems came in a long time ago).

There seems to be a problem with the Einstein@Home package, every BRP job segfaults as well.  Since I have vsyscall=emulate already set, there has to be some other explanation for these early segfaults.

#74 Re: Other Issues » Boinc » 2017-10-07 00:39:40

Woo Hoo!  Partial success.  I have CPU jobs working.

It seems that at about the 4.8 kernel, the vsyscall was set to "none".  If you look in your logs, you should see a bunch of lines where BOINC jobs are getting squashed because of this.  These are the system logs, not the files in the BOINC directories.

On booting in grub, you can edit a command line and add
vsyscall=emulate
to the linux (kernel boot) line.

If this works, you can change the grub default linux boot line in /etc/default/grub and add
vsyscall=emulate
to that parameter, and then update-grub.

Maybe with something working, I will see why amdgpu (not amdgpu-pro) and mesa are not getting together to run GPU jobs.  Or maybe they will start by magic as well.  :-)

#75 Re: Other Issues » Boinc » 2017-10-06 23:20:13

For both seti@home and einstein, the jobs are failing on a segfault.  Right when it first starts up.

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