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#51 Re: Installation » [SOLVED, don't buy one to begin with] dell xps-13 » 2018-09-21 16:04:07
Hello!
Have you considered you did not choose the right tool for the job? You should try a rolling release if you want a bleeding edge distribution that works out of the box.
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friend, this xps-13 is the 2015 model; figure it out. if i want to use the right tool for the job, what i should probably do is take it to bestbuy and say here, put windows-10 on this thing, and be done with it. i can always boot linux from a backup ssd or microsd card. or if i want to use the right tool for the job, maybe i should go to the Apple store and say "gimme that one, it's pretty" and make sure xcode is on it, or whatever their C/C++ development environment is called.
really, why should i keep bothering with linux? it *never* has just installed right, not since i've been using it. and once you get it installed, some new kernel version has ripples into some shared library and something isn't quite right. i don't mind copying a backup of my running system once in a while, but i'd at least expect the goddamn thing to boot consistently after installing on 3+ year old hardware out of the box.
maybe that's unrealistic, i'm no sure.
#52 Re: Installation » [SOLVED, don't buy one to begin with] dell xps-13 » 2018-09-18 20:20:14
Yes, i'm sure there are ways to get around this. I've been getting around this kind of garbage since i abandoned Windows and moved to Ubuntu-oneiric. Anything remotely non-paleolithic is not supported out of the box and you have to dick around endlessly with semi-documented commands, and once you get the system installed? Within a month or two some "improvement" trashes something or other.
It isn't like this stuff is earthshakingly difficult. It's just a mortal pain in the ass when you have to do it over and over in hopes that some distro will get it together. The whole systemd fiasco has set linux back imo, and Canonical's foray into the phone arena set it back as well. The push toward stupidizing into an all-icon user interface has nearly made most of the basic GUI utilities more useless.
Yes, my handle "crankypuss" was chosen with malice aforethought, i've been writing code since 1970 and i started out writing device drivers in assembler, and looking at the state of the industry in 2018 makes me want to puke because things are so lame.
There is no excuse for the state of the art to be this messed up imo.
And i realize that's not anyone here's fault, it just leans me in the cranky direction.
#53 Re: Installation » [SOLVED, don't buy one to begin with] dell xps-13 » 2018-09-17 14:36:23
okay, i downloaded a fresh copy of "devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_desktop-live.iso" and checked the sha256sum. i then burned it onto a USB stick and booted the live system. i then opened a browser and found there was no internet connection. i ran wicd and it found no networks, even though my phone was supporting a wifi hotspot. i tried issuing the command to list devices but couldn't remember it. the screenshot should show that, if i can figure out how to include it in this post.
nope, no joy; the img tag requires a url and i'm done dicking around with it. this crap is why i'm looking at leaving linux.
#54 Re: Installation » [SOLVED, don't buy one to begin with] dell xps-13 » 2018-09-17 12:26:48
interesting and kind of funky: in https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/d … README.txt it says this,
"If your hardware needs a 32-bit uefi bootloader with a 64-bit operating
system, install the grub-efi-ia32 package before running the installer."
LOL, you're supposed to install something *where* before you run the installer to install the system?
Yah, okay, moving right along <g>
#55 Re: Installation » [SOLVED, don't buy one to begin with] dell xps-13 » 2018-09-16 23:25:23
LOL, I tried Jessie since that's the debian release I have installed. It looks like I might have had better results with Ascii. Thank you.
#56 Re: Installation » [SOLVED, don't buy one to begin with] dell xps-13 » 2018-09-16 22:37:55
I posted that i COULD NOT INSTALL DEVUAN because the necessary wifi driver is missing from the install build.
You asked for lscpi output, reasonable enough; i supplied it by booting Ubuntu-MATE and running the command. It should be pretty obvious i'm not getting the lscpi result from Devuan because IT WOULD NOT INSTALL due to no wifi driver.
Now you are saying there's no problem because the driver is installed on another distro? One of us appears to be confused. :-)
It's all good, somebody just needs to fix the build so all the available drivers are included, including the proprietary ones, linux will use the info printed by lscpi to find the right driver and load it, if i've not gone mad, and the driver is actually in the appropriate directory.
#57 Re: Installation » [SOLVED, don't buy one to begin with] dell xps-13 » 2018-09-16 18:52:26
> lspci -nnk
00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Host Bridge -OPI [8086:1604] (rev 09)
Subsystem: Dell Broadwell-U Host Bridge -OPI [1028:0665]
Kernel driver in use: bdw_uncore
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics [8086:1616] (rev 09)
DeviceName: Onboard IGD
Subsystem: Dell Broadwell-U Integrated Graphics [1028:0665]
Kernel driver in use: i915
Kernel modules: i915
00:03.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Audio Controller [8086:160c] (rev 09)
Subsystem: Dell Broadwell-U Audio Controller [1028:0665]
Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
00:04.0 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation Broadwell-U Camarillo Device [8086:1603] (rev 09)
Subsystem: Dell Broadwell-U Processor Thermal Subsystem [1028:0665]
Kernel driver in use: proc_thermal
Kernel modules: processor_thermal_device
00:14.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP USB xHCI Controller [8086:9cb1] (rev 03)
Subsystem: Dell Wildcat Point-LP USB xHCI Controller [1028:0665]
Kernel driver in use: xhci_hcd
00:16.0 Communication controller [0780]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP MEI Controller #1 [8086:9cba] (rev 03)
Subsystem: Dell Wildcat Point-LP MEI Controller [1028:0665]
Kernel driver in use: mei_me
Kernel modules: mei_me
00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP High Definition Audio Controller [8086:9ca0] (rev 03)
Subsystem: Dell Wildcat Point-LP High Definition Audio Controller [1028:0665]
Kernel driver in use: snd_hda_intel
Kernel modules: snd_hda_intel
00:1c.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP PCI Express Root Port #1 [8086:9c90] (rev e3)
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
Kernel modules: shpchp
00:1c.3 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP PCI Express Root Port #4 [8086:9c96] (rev e3)
Kernel driver in use: pcieport
Kernel modules: shpchp
00:1d.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP USB EHCI Controller [8086:9ca6] (rev 03)
Subsystem: Dell Wildcat Point-LP USB EHCI Controller [1028:0665]
Kernel driver in use: ehci-pci
00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP LPC Controller [8086:9cc3] (rev 03)
Subsystem: Dell Wildcat Point-LP LPC Controller [1028:0665]
Kernel driver in use: lpc_ich
Kernel modules: lpc_ich
00:1f.2 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP SATA Controller [AHCI Mode] [8086:9c83] (rev 03)
Subsystem: Dell Wildcat Point-LP SATA Controller [AHCI Mode] [1028:0665]
Kernel driver in use: ahci
Kernel modules: ahci
00:1f.3 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP SMBus Controller [8086:9ca2] (rev 03)
Subsystem: Dell Wildcat Point-LP SMBus Controller [1028:0665]
Kernel modules: i2c_i801
00:1f.6 Signal processing controller [1180]: Intel Corporation Wildcat Point-LP Thermal Management Controller [8086:9ca4] (rev 03)
Subsystem: Dell Wildcat Point-LP Thermal Management Controller [1028:0665]
Kernel driver in use: intel_pch_thermal
Kernel modules: intel_pch_thermal
01:00.0 Unassigned class [ff00]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTS5249 PCI Express Card Reader [10ec:5249] (rev 01)
Subsystem: Dell RTS5249 PCI Express Card Reader [1028:0665]
Kernel driver in use: rtsx_pci
Kernel modules: rtsx_pci
02:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter [14e4:43b1] (rev 03)
Subsystem: Dell BCM4352 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter [1028:0019]
Kernel driver in use: wl
Kernel modules: bcma, wl#58 Installation » [SOLVED, don't buy one to begin with] dell xps-13 » 2018-09-15 14:24:12
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I have a dell xps-13 and my only internet access is through my cellphone.
A few weeks [months?] ago i attempted to install Devuan. I'd previously been using Ubuntu-MATE, which i liked in many respects, but systemd was (imo) making startup and shutdown flakey, it often takes 3-5 reboots to get to the login screen, so of course Devuan seemed like a good idea.
I downloaded the iso for devuan-jessie and gave it a shot. Guess what. The installer was not built containing the proprietary driver for the Broadcom wifi chip used in the xps-13. No more laptops with
Broadcom chips for me, i'm going as generic as possible from here on out.
Isn't it possible to build the installer with all known device drivers including the proprietary ones?
Has this issue been observed/addressed, has anyone installed it on an xps-13 with only wifi internet?
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