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#676 Re: Installation » Looking for server cd desktop environment installation guide » 2023-08-24 01:37:05

All the installer ISO have the same installer software and they only differ in which collections of packages they come with; the so called package pool. They work by installing that which you select, and then those selections expands by having dependencies. If you install with network mirror backing, they will all link up with the Devuan repository and they will all have all packages available.

The leanest system you can get from them is their base system where you opt for not installing anything else. That gives you a Linux operating system without all things you may expect, and in particular without graphical desktop environment. That's generally known as a "server system" although even a functional server would typically include some additional services such as perhaps ssh and web service.

The cinnamon desktop is generally understood to be "defined" by the task-cinnamon-desktop package, which is a content free-package that only depends on the collection detail packages that would make up a "cinnamon desktop". The "desktop" ISO contains all those packages, as do the collective of server+cd2+cd3+cd4 ISOs (both having also other packages that are outside of the task-cinnamon-desktop collection).

At a more general level, Devuan (like Debian) is like a warehouse of packages rather than an end-user "distribution", and it's up to the end-user to choose which subset of packages they will want to use. The installer offers some pre-packaged choices of end-user-like desktop collections, but that is supposed to be for convenience; in particular someone new to it may otherwise struggle a fair bit to pull together their best convenience package collection.

#677 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-23 23:26:43

git.devuan.org is a "git store" just like github but owned by Devuan and not Microsoft.

The hands-on would be, after registration, to clone (aka fork) the project concerned, add into your clone and then issue a merge request for the main project developers to review and include it.

#678 Re: Devuan » Can anyone fill me in on why and how exactly systemd took over Linux? » 2023-08-23 03:28:32

Nah. If you want to spout that shit you'll have to go elsewhere.

#679 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Daedalus, seatd, can’t have multiple X sessions » 2023-08-22 23:34:50

Yes, https://git.devuan.org/devuan/xorg-server is where it happens. The review process of a fix is in full swing so you may hold your breath. well, maybe not... breath easy, but expect there's something coming soon.

#680 Re: Forum Feedback » [SOLVED] Theme request » 2023-08-20 22:33:51

@Gregors, if you make a theme and email to me I can probably stuff it in as an option.

#681 Re: Installation » Daedalus EFI mode does not start on 990FX system » 2023-08-20 22:25:50

Are you able to try with the ISO on a stick by itself?

#682 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Daedalus, seatd, can’t have multiple X sessions » 2023-08-19 15:08:58

I'm not sure there is a bug report, but that particular issue of having multiple Xorg (in different VT) with seatd, is currently being worked on, and I believe an update is coming fairly soon.

#683 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-19 11:48:30

yes it might be slower than some.. but to see an image on your screen of course requires it to be downloaded to your machine, whether or not you know to where on your machine it ends up. (and using "display $url" [from imagemagick] gives you that same vacuous experience all without ads and other junk).

Good idea though; perhaps devuan can find someone to set up and maintain it on the infrastructure.

re catbox; I don't use github since it became a microsoft site.

#684 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] Where do the packages go... when support runs out? » 2023-08-19 09:19:06

yes, ascii has been moved. You should update your sources list to these

deb http://archive.devuan.org/merged ascii main
deb http://archive.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main
deb http://archive.devuan.org/merged ascii-proposed-updates main 
deb http://archive.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main

(add contrib and non-free as desired)

#686 Re: Other Issues » [SOLVED] "Powered by Devuan" icons? » 2023-08-19 03:23:29

@m1k3: slightly off topic, but I think you'd enjoy learning https://transfer.sh

#687 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-08-18 05:27:20

Perhaps you can show the non-working qemu command line here.

#688 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-08-18 03:11:25

@fsmithred: is it possible for you to convert the iso into a vdi format, then attach that as second disk

That should be booraable with legacy bios.. using the isolinux mastering of its mbr, or possibly by finding the second partition's legacy equipment (via chain loading).

#689 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] VLC not working with [AMD/ATI] RS780L [Radeon 3000] - a Fix » 2023-08-17 23:58:30

If you upgrade you should read "upgrade instructions".

The kernel does not install anything when it starts.

Probably you can reconfirm the distribution installation with

apt-get dist-upgrade

but it is up to you to decide whether that is the right thing for you to do. As always you /take responsibility for anything you do.

#690 Re: Installation » Daedalus upgrade corrupts » 2023-08-17 23:47:49

@marma-lade, the next time you upgrade from 4.0 to 5.0, remember to add the new section named non-free-firmware which was added in Debian for some reason, and thus is added the same in Devuan.

That section is in addition to the "old" non-free in Devuan 5.0 and probably onwards; it doesn't exist for versions 4.0 and newer. It is a new repository section that appears to contain all firmware that previously were in non-free.

If you don't add that section, your upgraded system will not be able to find and install required firmware.

https://www.devuan.org/os/documentation … o-daedalus

#691 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-08-17 23:30:51

Yes afaik the UEFI emulation does not handle boot from cdrom.

If you install the ISO as a second disk or a USB memory stick, then eg qemu with UEFI emoulation works (provided that the backing file, i.e. the ISO, is writable).

Has been like that since yonks.

#692 Re: Installation » [SOLVED] VLC not working with [AMD/ATI] RS780L [Radeon 3000] - a Fix » 2023-08-17 12:07:56

When configuring for upgrade, did you include the new section non-free-firmware (whihc is in addition to non-free) ?

#693 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-08-17 11:41:46

Perhaps you can point me at a small ISO that works, to explore. There may well be something to improve in Devuan's iso preparation.

#694 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-08-17 10:36:01

@tauro. It's hard to guess why your boot attempts on bare-metal fail. Especially the UEFI boots should be fine, unless perhaps it requires "secure boot".

Your BIOS boot might be confused by seeing the ISO partition as bootable.

You might change that by a) copy the ISO to a new file, say x.iso, and b) run

sfdisk -A x.iso 2

That will change the ISO to flag the EFI partition, which is a FAT filesystem, as bootable, and your BIOS might then discover the syslinux boot equipment in that filesystem.

#695 Re: Installation » Daedalus ISOs don't boot » 2023-08-17 08:35:45

Afaik, the virtual machine emulation of UEFI can't handle cdrom, so try by having the ISO as a second disk rather, or emulated USB memory stick.

I think the backing file ISO also needs to be writable for that UEFI emulation.

#696 Re: Hardware & System Configuration » [SOLVED] New install gave me a basic 640 resolution on older PC » 2023-08-17 05:00:13

Try: at the installer splash screen, push TAB so as to go to the boot installer line, then move back with the arrow key to change vga=788 to be vga=785.

That would select the old VGA standard, which was 640x480 and all monitors & graphics supposedly should deal with that. The "modern" choice of vga=788 instead configures an 800x600 display and perhaps your setup doesn;t like that.

An alternative/additional boot line fix could be to remove nomodeset although that should only concern graphics mode, which the installer doesn't use.

#697 Re: News & Announcements » sources.list confusion. » 2023-08-17 00:47:51

Run apt update once and confirm.

EDIT for some background: The root of this problem is that the InRelease file for debian-security previously had the wrong "Label" setting of "Devuan Security", and that is what has got loaded onto your system while updating devuan-secuirty before while in testing.

Apt keeps a copy of all the "dists" files, such as

/var/lib/apt/lists/....InRelease

and it's that file that has

Label: Devuan Security

on your system, whereas the one in the remote repo was corrected to have

Label: Devuan-Security

when also it changed to

Suite: stable-security

That is what the Apt system (by apt-get) discovers and complains about. The apt program does the same, but then reacts by asking you to confirm that the new file is good rather than  just discarding it.

#699 Re: Installation » How/what is at step "Detect and mount installation media" » 2023-08-04 01:10:58

@abd, perhaps you can enter an Alt-F2 shell, then capture and send the output of blkid and fdisk -l for me.

Note that the ISO has a first partition that "spans the whole drive", which in particular includes the partition table. If you then mess with the partition table, it upsets the recognition of that partition as an iso9660 filesystem, and the installer might not be able to mount it.

EDIT: in short, where the dialogs for manual selection of media ask for module and device, choose "none" for additional module, and use the device node name from blkid, for the first partition of the device with the ISO image.

#700 Re: Installation » How/what is at step "Detect and mount installation media" » 2023-08-03 21:16:23

1. Which installation ISO do you use?
2. Which install option do you use?
3. Which error message do you get?
4. What's the block device setup at the time of the error?

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