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#451 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » LXDE user upgrades to Devuan Jessie » 2016-12-19 15:23:01
Thank you for your detailed reply.
I believe that I had followed your suggestions more or less. Purging systemd and libsystemd0 followed by an autoremove had removed lxde as well as xfce and gvfs as well as several gnome utilities. Re-installing lxde and slim pulled in consolekit and I have since re-installed upower. I have checked for the recommends, which you mention and none of them was present except gnome-mplayer, which I have now purged. As mentioned above gvfs is absent.
In browsing around for anything to do with systemd I only found sysvinit installed. At first I thought that this sounded good, until I realised that it is a transitional package for systemd. I have now purged that. I was a bit confused to not find systemd itself as un-installed, until I realised that the repository is Devuan's and therefore systemd is not there ;-) It does mean though that "apt-get purge systemd" does not work!
It seems to me that lxde is working happily without systemd or libsystemd0. The only problems which I am currently aware of are :-
Temporary mounting of usb devices such as camera/phone. I assume that used to be handled by gvfs and I have started to look at Thunar, which I think I saw mentioned in this context.
There is no GUI method to shutdown the system as lxde only allows logout/lock and slim does not have any options to shutdown. I have a quick kludge with xmessage and sudo.
There is an error pop-up on login :-
GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown:
The name org.desktop.PolicyKit1 was not provided by any .service files
The poor fonts on the LibreOffice interface. This is not a major problem.
Geoff
#452 Re: Forum Feedback » Auto-logout » 2016-12-19 15:04:19
I've calmed down a bit now and am recomposing in emacs for a quick cut and paste. I didn't realise that my reply would take that long...
All the best
Geoff
#453 Forum Feedback » Auto-logout » 2016-12-19 14:40:57
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I have just spent a long time typing in a reply, only to have been auto-logged out. When I log back in, it has lost my reply.
Geoff
#454 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » LXDE user upgrades to Devuan Jessie » 2016-12-18 14:38:13
I have had a little look at LibreOffice, as some of it was removed during the big autoremove after purging systemd. I was able to check the details in /var/log/apt/history.log.
As I mentioned above, LibreOffice Base was still installed and working. However, parts that had been removed included, Calc, Impress and Draw. I checked what would be installed with the meta-package libreoffice and nothing appeared which looked too troubling, there being some fonts and a few items related to "coinor". It seems that coinor is some mathematical software. I don't know why these items were removed, but simply installing "libreoffice" has restored the functionality.
The look of the fonts used by the interface still looks a bit sub-standard. I have added in some extra fonts via ttf-mscorefonts-installer as well as caladea and carlito, although I think they are only used for the content rather than the interface. Since I no longer have xfce4 installed, I wonder whether that could affect the interface of LibreOffice. By "the interface" I am referring to File Edit ... Help and the pull down menus, which on the other software which I have running still looks good.
Geoff
#455 Re: Documentation » Multiple Sound Cards » 2016-12-17 11:21:00
If you have 2 different devices sharing the same module, then you can use the "enable" parameter to disable the one that you don't use. So that if you have both HDMI and PCH, with your speakers plugged into the PCH outlets, and your HDMI device appears first, then you set the entry in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf to :-
# Disable the HDMI card which shows up first, but enable PCH
options snd-hda-intel enable=0,1http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=110572#p525601
Geoff
#456 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » LXDE user upgrades to Devuan Jessie » 2016-12-16 16:08:38
Thank you for the advice. In the end, after removing lxde and just using xfce I then had a cup of tea and decided to go for it!
I decided to actually follow Chillfan's instructions to the end, more or less. Having logged in as root at the console, I carried out the "apt-get purge systemd-shim libsystemd0"
and let it do it. This I followed with an autoremove, which got rid of a large amount of stuff. After a reboot, I went back and did a "apt-get install lxde" and "apt-get install slim"
and started slim with "/etc/init.d/slim start". Slim ran and I was able to log in and my usual lxde session appeared. Running "dmesg|grep systemd" only finds systemd-udevd,
so I think that counts as a result! I was able to run up LibreOffice Base and get it to connect to my PostgreSql database, although the fonts didn't look very good. This is a minor problem which I can investigate later.
Geoff
#457 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » LXDE user upgrades to Devuan Jessie » 2016-12-16 10:53:54
I have just been having a look through the dependencies in LXDE. I notice that lxsession has a dependency on :-
consolekit | upower (<0.99) | systemd
So I suspect that that is where the problems lies. I am unclear on how some of these things like consolekit fit in, or even what they do! I notice that I do have consolekit installed as well as upower 1:0.9.23-2+devuan1.2
I also notice that lxsession is only generally only suggested or recommended, apart from lxde-common which does have it as a depends.
I have noticed some documentation on minimalism, using openbox as the window manager. I wonder whether I could start with this and then add on a few bits like lxpanel.
Geoff
#458 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » LXDE user upgrades to Devuan Jessie » 2016-12-16 10:14:24
I hadn't got task-xfce-desktop installed, although did have xfce4 and xfce4-session. I have removed them and I am still up and running! An autoremove then went on to remove some other related items, including xfdesktop4 and thunar.
I have tried removing task-lxde-desktop followed by apt-get --reinstall install lxde, but then an apt-get purge systemd-shim libsystemd0 would still remove lxde as well as slim, if I were to let it proceed.
Geoff
#459 Desktop and Multimedia » Devuan Ascii with LXDE/LXQT » 2016-12-15 20:55:32
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About a year ago I wanted to install Devuan on my new laptop, an Asus ZenBook UX305FA, I read that I needed a reasonably up-to-date kernel to handle the cpus correctly. In order to do this I installed Testing, starting with Debian to check that it worked ok. Having decided that it was working correctly, I then upgraded it to Devan Ascii and it largely seemed to work ok.
While I like LXDE I also installed XFCE in case I needed any of the applications. After a bit of reading it seemed that the LXDE people were moving over to using QT and calling it LXQT. I thought that I ought to see if this was working, before I got too far with setting things up. Anyway, around May this year (2016), I installed LXQT and tried it out and it seems to work reasonably well. I have lxdm running as the display manager and this works well. On the logout question, I can use lxqt to logout and then from the lxdm screen I can shutdown the machine.
I am using wicd to look after the wi-fi.
When I grep through the output of dmesg for systemd, the only thing I find is systemd-udev, which is, I believe to be expected.
Geoff
#460 Desktop and Multimedia » LXDE user upgrades to Devuan Jessie » 2016-12-15 15:56:19
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I have been running Devuan Ascii on my laptop for some time now and with the announcement of Jessie beta2 I thought that it was time to upgrade my desktop machine from Debian Jessie to
Devuan Jessie.
I followed the initial steps from
https://git.devuan.org/dev1fanboy/Upgra … -to-Devuan
which do seem consistant with
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=20
Along with "main" I have also included "contrib non-free" in sources.list, since that is what I had under Debian.
The apt-get dist-upgrade went smoothly and things seem ok. I like LXDE but also had XFCE installed as I thought that there was the odd item from XFCE which I used. I didn't bother to install XFCE and Slim as they were already there.
I gave the command "apt-get purge systemd-shim libsystemd0" but read the output before typing "Y". This seemed to want to remove a lot of stuff, including LXDE, XFCE, lightdm and Slim as well as some applications, I noticed Bluefish in the list and several gnome utilities. I therefore typed "N" to the purge command.
This machine is still working pretty well, so I thought that I would ask for advice before attempting to break it further! It is still running lightdm rather than Slim. While I am not surprised to see systemd-udev in dmesg output, I suspect that systemd-logind should not be there and it also produces a couple of error messages, of the form :-
"[ 12.985009] systemd-logind[2790]: Failed to start user service: Unknown unit: user@108.service".
I think that I read somewhere that I should let the apt-get purge command remove XFCE etc and then re-install them. Is this correct? Is this to force the installation of packages from the Devuan repositories with systemd dependencies removed? Would the purge command remove all of the associated configuration files from the packages I do actually want, including LXDE?
Geoff
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