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#251 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-18 15:40:02

deepforest
deepforest wrote:
deepforest wrote:
Devarch wrote:

To speed up devuan I've disabled anacron. Sometimes it slows down shutdown. You can disable FS check if it's enabled.

Thanks you i will try.

Now i use several hours Trinity De its awesome so fast, response and not slowdowns, compare to default xfce

Hmm. After disabling anacron i always have this error after booting
https://i.imgur.com/lZB72tt.png
all working again after enabling anacron

Yes, sorry. That was Trinity De, aRts bug.
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/g … issues/100

#252 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-17 03:14:54

deepforest
deepforest wrote:
Devarch wrote:

To speed up devuan I've disabled anacron. Sometimes it slows down shutdown. You can disable FS check if it's enabled.

Thanks you i will try.

Now i use several hours Trinity De its awesome so fast, response and not slowdowns, compare to default xfce

Hmm. After disabling anacron i always have this error after booting
https://i.imgur.com/lZB72tt.png
all working again after enabling anacron

#253 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-17 01:55:31

deepforest
andyprough wrote:

On sysvinit you can use sysv-rc-conf to enable and disable services.

sudo sysv-rc-conf

Make sure you know what the different runlevels are, or learn them. They are fairly simple, but important.

Nice tool! Thanks!

#254 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-17 01:51:57

deepforest
Devarch wrote:

To speed up devuan I've disabled anacron. Sometimes it slows down shutdown. You can disable FS check if it's enabled.

Thanks you i will try.

Now i use several hours Trinity De its awesome so fast, response and not slowdowns, compare to default xfce

#255 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-17 01:46:08

deepforest
GlennW wrote:

Anyhow, Devuan is a much better product.

:-)

Same here. I am drop pclinuxos because did not like them and now love Devuan:)

#256 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-16 21:08:43

deepforest

I am talking about responsiveness overall of system.

On Devuan now i using Trinity DE and its much faster than default xfce de. I have several DEs installed its can slowdown on my Devuan?

By why is Artix is so fast compare to Devuan? Boot time and ui responsiveness.

#257 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-16 17:05:56

deepforest

Install openrc

apt install openrc

other according this instruction https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=134915

freeartist@devuan:~$ cat /proc/1/comm
openrc-init
freeartist@devuan:~$

Overall performance not change. All the same laggy and rubber(

#258 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-16 16:54:09

deepforest
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Just leave it then. It doesn't make any real difference anyway..

I want to hope that after switch to OpenRC Devuan is will fast like Artix. Why Devuan is so slow compare to Artix for me?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I can't post there any more. Those forums are no longer cool enough for me.

And what is cool for you now?

#259 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-16 02:58:33

deepforest
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

But that will still use sysvinit as PID1. To use openrc-init as PID1 see https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2788.

It to hard for me while. I am not have knowledge for this 80th lvl magic. Please, can you give me easier instuctions? Or explain those:)

upd

and why not this your manual?
https://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=134915

#260 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-16 02:40:17

deepforest
aluma wrote:

If we talk about the speed of different releases without systemd, then subjectively, the fastest, with the same version of DE , PCLinuxOS works for me.

It's not a competitor to Devuan, just a roling release, a rollback is possible if you took a snapshot before the update, but all the latest innovations appear in the repo immediately.

In general, if you are bored, it is quite possible to try. smile

I am offended at pclinuxos. I am somthing ask at their forum and they baned me without any reasons. My nick is Procenko on pclinuxos forum.

#261 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-15 09:38:12

deepforest
xinomilo wrote:

for those wanting to try sid/ceres, keep backups at all times.for that moment something breaks in sid, you'll certainly want a backup available.

Thanks! Please give me advice. And what exactly need to backup? How do you this? And how restore is system broke?

#262 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-15 09:35:10

deepforest
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

To use openrc-init as PID1 see https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2788.

Thanks. Question? Is it have a secnse? Switching to openrc give me speed and overall system responcivness ?

#263 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-15 01:18:37

deepforest

Here https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=38617#p38617
what services is safe to disable?
sysv here, rc-update not found but update-rc.d works

I use openrc init,

How switch Devuan to openrc? And is it safe to swich? What is faster sysv or openrc?

#264 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-14 23:50:21

deepforest

antiX is ONLY window managers (Icewm, JWM, Fluxbox, Herbstluftwm) by default. I don't know if installing XFCE slows down the system - I have XFCE installed on antiX and the system seems plenty fast enough.

Thanks again!) And what distros are you using and which one do you like the most?

So no, you could not say the "only" way to speed up Devuan is to disable unneeded services. It's probably one of the BEST ways to do it though.

and what i could do right in my case?
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?pid=38617#p38617

#265 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-14 22:53:07

deepforest
golinux wrote:
deepforest wrote:

So what is happens with my Ceres when freeze is come?

Ceres is always fluid and unstable. It never freezes. Please take a look at our release information.

Thanks You! Its useful.

#266 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-14 22:45:09

deepforest

Like this?

root@devuan:/home/freeartist/Downloads/Q-Zandronum_source/qzandronum2-patch/buildclient# service --status-all
 [ + ]  acpid
 [ ? ]  alsa-utils
 [ - ]  anacron
 [ + ]  avahi-daemon
 [ + ]  bluetooth
 [ ? ]  bootchart-done
 [ - ]  bootlogd
 [ - ]  bootlogs
 [ - ]  bootmisc.sh
 [ - ]  brightness
 [ - ]  checkfs.sh
 [ - ]  checkroot-bootclean.sh
 [ - ]  checkroot.sh
 [ + ]  connman
 [ - ]  console-setup.sh
 [ + ]  cron
 [ ? ]  cryptdisks
 [ ? ]  cryptdisks-early
 [ + ]  cups
 [ + ]  cups-browsed
 [ + ]  dbus
 [ ? ]  dundee
 [ + ]  elogind
 [ + ]  eudev
 [ + ]  exim4
 [ + ]  gpm
 [ - ]  hddtemp
 [ - ]  hostname.sh
 [ ? ]  hwclock.sh
 [ - ]  keyboard-setup.sh
 [ - ]  killprocs
 [ ? ]  kmod
 [ - ]  lightdm
 [ + ]  lisa-trinity
 [ - ]  lm-sensors
 [ ? ]  mount-configfs
 [ - ]  mountall-bootclean.sh
 [ - ]  mountall.sh
 [ - ]  mountdevsubfs.sh
 [ - ]  mountkernfs.sh
 [ - ]  mountnfs-bootclean.sh
 [ - ]  mountnfs.sh
 [ + ]  network-manager
 [ ? ]  networking
 [ + ]  ntpsec
 [ ? ]  ofono
 [ - ]  openvpn
 [ + ]  osspd
 [ + ]  pcscd
 [ + ]  preload
 [ - ]  procps
 [ - ]  pulseaudio-enable-autospawn
 [ - ]  rc.local
 [ - ]  rmnologin
 [ - ]  rsync
 [ + ]  rsyslog
 [ + ]  saned
 [ - ]  sendsigs
 [ + ]  slim
 [ + ]  smartmontools
 [ ? ]  speech-dispatcher
 [ - ]  stop-bootlogd
 [ - ]  stop-bootlogd-single
 [ - ]  sudo
 [ ? ]  tdm
 [ - ]  umountfs
 [ - ]  umountnfs.sh
 [ - ]  umountroot
 [ - ]  unattended-upgrades
 [ - ]  urandom
 [ + ]  uuidd
 [ - ]  virtualbox
 [ - ]  x11-common
root@devuan:/home/freeartist/Downloads/Q-Zandronum_source/qzandronum2-patch/buildclient#
root@devuan:/etc# update-rc.d -f bluetooth disable
insserv: warning: current start runlevel(s) (empty) of script `bluetooth' overrides LSB defaults (2 3 4 5).
insserv: warning: current stop runlevel(s) (0 1 2 3 4 5 6) of script `bluetooth' overrides LSB defaults (0 1 6).
root@devuan:/etc#

#267 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-14 22:18:33

deepforest
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Give it time big_smile

And enjoy the massively outdated packages during the upcoming freeze. The Debian devs sometimes even leave critical bugs unfixed in the development branches until the release is done...

So what is happens with my Ceres when freeze is come?

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I respectfully disagree. Change my mind :-)

LoL. Devuan after hours working feeling like rubber. And Artix not it fast from the boot. On Arch when i push on "Application menu"(not Whisker) after boot, needed  ~10-15! sec to it appear. On Artix all response is instantly.

#268 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-14 21:55:44

deepforest
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:
deepforest wrote:

Tell me one best benchmarks

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ … =500334237

No. FPS is equal on all my systems. I am talking about booting, launching apps, responce time gui, and lag of DEs. How it can be measure? And its NOT subjective)

#269 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-14 21:51:05

deepforest
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Stable. Unless you enjoy fixing broken systems.

I am on Ceres almost year and nothing is broke yet.

#270 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-14 21:48:30

deepforest
GlennW wrote:

One thing I do, and check from time to time is services that load at boot.

rc-update, I turn off as many server services as possible...

ie, sudo, squid, openvpn, ssh, savecache, nethack-common, haveged, fancontrol (stops error spam), exim4, dictd, avahi-daemon and bluetooth.

Because I tether my phone as a modem, squid and openvpn are started after I connect to the phone long after the boot processes are done...

:-)

Thanks! And how exactly turn off unneeded services technically? And what services is safe to disable? Were is i can get list of this services?

#271 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-14 21:45:10

deepforest

andyprough Thanks a lot!

I thought that antiX with runit, Artix with s6, and a minimal Void installation were all shockingly fast.

But only Artix have xfce out from the box? Why antiX have no xfce by default? If i am install xfce on antiX its not broke the speed?

Also MX is using either sysvinit or systemd - the two slowest init systems that I've personally experienced.

Devuan is pretty fast, but not like antiX, Artix and Void in my experience. Once again, probably has to do with it using sysvinit and starting up more services by default than I really need.

This! So only one way to speed up Devuan is disable unneeded services?

#272 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-13 23:30:10

deepforest

andyprough Thank you, very useful!

Using the latest version of an older generation LTS kernel instead of a new generation kernel will usually give you a speed boost according to years of benchmark tests on Phoronix website. LTS kernels such as the 5.10 kernel are optimized over a period of years

And what you can say about MX Linux compare to Devuan? MX have lts kernel 5.10

runit and s6 make systems noticeably faster in terms of booting and program start times compared to sysvinit and are especially faster compared to systemd. So on your Artix systems you'll have a lot of good options there. Also dinit seemed pretty zippy when I tried it.

choice is not rich https://nosystemd.org/ if we speak about Linux with "human face" and that working "out of the box"

#273 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-13 23:21:44

deepforest
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Which benchmarks are you using? Care to share them?

Overall feeling of response time.
Tell me one best benchmarks and i can make tests.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

I would expect Devuan to do well against Arch.

Thanks! Witch Devuan stable or unstable?

#274 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-13 18:20:25

deepforest
Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Devuan is already faster than vanilla Arch anyway big_smile

hey) Its very interesting question! On my second legacy PC i have 3 Linux)

1.Arch(vanilla)
2.Devuan Ceres
3.Artix(no systemd Arch)

The fasted for me is Artix, second is Devuan, third Arch

My second PC, legacy - c2d Q6600, gf9800gtx, 4gb ram

PS i want ask here? What Linux is better for

My first PC, modern - AMD r2600, radeon rx580, 32gb ram

I think may be vanilla Arch? I love play different games old and new)

#275 Re: Desktop and Multimedia » Can you suggest some tips and tricks for speed up Devuan? » 2022-11-13 18:09:57

deepforest

Thanks All for replys)

Yes. As i know only mitigations=off in kernels upper 5.15.
So it works.

freeartist@devuan:~$ for i in /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/* ; do echo "$(basename $i): $(cat $i)" ; done
itlb_multihit: KVM: Mitigation: VMX disabled
l1tf: Mitigation: PTE Inversion; VMX: EPT disabled
mds: Vulnerable; SMT disabled
meltdown: Vulnerable
mmio_stale_data: Unknown: No mitigations
retbleed: Not affected
spec_store_bypass: Vulnerable
spectre_v1: Vulnerable: __user pointer sanitization and usercopy barriers only; no swapgs barriers
spectre_v2: Vulnerable, STIBP: disabled, PBRSB-eIBRS: Not affected
srbds: Not affected
tsx_async_abort: Not affected
freeartist@devuan:~$

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