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#1 Re: News & Announcements » PeppermintOS now Debian base & soon Devuan based » 2022-09-13 20:53:39

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

(Y)ou have a polkit rule that allows all Python GUIs to run as root.

I dunna t'ink so.
Look a little deeper. Because No , we don't.

You screenshot is from in the live session, the live user peplive has sudo privileges, is in the sudoers group, and the account is set to not require a password. This is for noobs while trying it from the live session. It's also removed in the installed version.   

I really don't have the time for your antics.
Or to sit here while holding your hand and showing you around.
Nor full explanations that you can find on your own , in & on your own time.
Do some actual exploring, on your own.
When you find the PeppermintHub, click on the Update Manager. Then close the Hub and re-open it.

The 404 error, it is unexpected to see that. Do the update from the Hub.

andyprough wrote:

Don't fall for the trap - HOAS is just lobbying you to re-base off of Fedora with Gnome 43 and systemd 252. Maybe throw in a Peppermint-themed Microsoft Edge browser for good measure. That's when you'll get your resounding HOAS 5-star review.

No worries about any of those 3 things happening. At least not with the current Dev team.

As far as anyone's approval...
We're not seeking approval from everyone or the haters from after we moved away from the previous base.
And we ended the discussion of "Which browser is best , or recommended or endorsed" by not installing one.
And by giving a clear path  on where to install one , the browser choice is their choice.
If the current version is not for them, no one is forcing them to use it, they should absolutely use what suites them.

Camtaf wrote:

Peppermint is now a derivative of Devuan, like MIYO, Crowz, Star, etc.

Thanks ! There is a lot of love for Devuan and non-systemd within the Peppermint community and the current Dev team.

@golinux There is no rush from us to see Our listing on the derivatives page.
It will happen in it's own time. Because we have 2 bases , we haven't asked or mentioned it.
When it does happen , I hope we, at Peppermint, remember our good manners by giving an appreciative Thank You !.

Thanks !
KsWoodsMan

#2 Re: News & Announcements » PeppermintOS now Debian base & soon Devuan based » 2022-09-12 23:21:44

KsWoodsMan wrote:

The Nightly, Testing, Unstable and Skinny are Developer builds.
They in no way reflect which area of Devuan these are built from.

Head_on_a_Stick wrote:

Interesting, thanks for the clarification.

You are welcome/

But deb-multimedia.com? Really?
.....
Have your users not reported any problems from that repository?

Zero, none.
And this thread isn't about deb-multimedia.com .

We have had so many threads over at forums.debian.net featuring systems broken by that repository that  it has accrued somewhat of a reputation. Infamous is the word, I think.

Remember RedHat "RPM Hell"  from RH 5.x and RH 6.x or the RH 7.x releases ?
Things happen, something or somethings got past the Dev or their team taking care of an area.
Kind of like ... on September 3, at 24:00 hours. I recognized it was going to happen.
I'm as much at fault as anyone else, for not sending a message so the team member covering that was prompted of the expiration.

So you aren't hi-jacking this thread and neither am I, That is a discussion best suited for a new post.

EDIT: and what's the deal with Peppermint anyway? What's the USP? Who are the target audience?

Again , Let's not hi-jack this thread to cover information that's readily and easily available by doing a "web look-up".
I would say "Google is your 'friend' for this" , though they really aren't. Use DuckDuckGo instead.

It looks like De{bi,vu}an with a facelift to me. Is that unfair?

It's an opinion. The same can be said for a lot of distros, built on any base.
If, after fully exploring what's there and you don't see any value-add by
PeppermintOS still offering 32 bit PAE support , unlike the previous base,
Or the lighter footprint than the previous release.
Or the CI/CD pipeline and custom applications.
Or that we are community based, with a focus on asking for input from community members.
Or even the direction we are going ...
Then PeppermintOS isn't for you. As it wasn't fully intended to entice veterans from the Linux Community.

With that said, I see no reason to start or conclude an "Internet Debate" in someone else's thread.

@Manyroads, Thank You for the opportunity to dispel any circulating rumors of a testing or unstable branch of Peppermint.

KsWoodsMan

#3 Re: News & Announcements » PeppermintOS now Debian base & soon Devuan based » 2022-09-12 03:21:05

The Nightly, Testing, Unstable and Skinny are Developer builds.
They in no way reflect which area of Devuan these are built from.

Nightly => Nightly builds by `cron` available to testers. The last place we test changes (from test builds) before being considered for a Release
Testing => A place for ideas that may or may not ever make it into the Nightly build(s).
Unstable => Neurotically broken area where things are put there because they are maladjusted. This is where attempts to get them working are done.
Skinny => An effort to get an even smaller ISO while still retaining the original functionality. It's trim and it's sleek. It might even boot to a CLI as we are working with it.
You have to break some eggs to make an omelette.
These areas are where various eggs get broken.

There is nothing special about any of them.
In the boot menus, there is a reference to Developers Desktop pointing to /dev/sda126 .
This is so I can leave the USB stick in my Dev Desktop and boot to a partition on my HDD instead of into the live session.
It saves me a lot of time, when doing trials on real hardware.

The apt-pinning:
Standard pinning for installed components is 100.
IIRC , the backports area has the same pinning.
The testing branch, we have pinned with a priority of 50 .
And the unstable branch, we have it pinned with a priority of 10.

This keeps new users from shooting themselves in the foot, as easily, when adding testing and unstable repos to /etc/apt/sources.list .
They can add them to their repo list or the repo list directory but nothing gets installed from there , by default, until the pinning file is removed or edited.
We get a lot of users , new to Linux. This one small thing (apt pinning) saves a considerable amount of "hand holding".

To the best of my knowledge we have never intended to build from the testing or unstable branch.
In my opinion, we'll leave that realm for the developers of other distros to pursue.
We want it to work and not be a "toy" requiring constant fiddling. If their approach is working for them , Fantastic.
I want a fast car too , but I'm not adjusting the lash on solid camshaft lifters every weekend to get it.
And I'd rather put my small amount of time available, towards something besides tinkering (with something that wasn't broken) and support.

Anyone that wants to change up to testing or unstable is welcomed to do so.
If there ever were a warranty of any kind (and there isn't) this would most certainly break that warranty.

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