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#1 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2020-09-21 17:29:23
But as for Slackware package manager - I do NOT like anything about it, the only good thing about Slackware - its stability and non rolling release cycles which could be useful only if some day in the future we lose Devuan and Alpine, most likely it will not happen, hopefully long life for Devuan and Alpine.
Do you know any public online forum with more messages about Alpine than Salix? And for Slackware a spread in popularity will be even more if counting only standalone installations (not containers).
Slackware v15 is still not ready for over 4 years since v14.2 release already though there are rumors it is on the way and will be released in about a year finally.
Most likely that is why there is less activity on Salix forums in the last year.
At this rate even Duvan has more life in it than Slackware. There's no reason to wait over four years for a release much less even a refresh. Many vital and prominent system utilities have moved on. To the point where I had to backport essentials in order to bring functionality back to match a corresponding Debian system that was already over two years old. They've dug that distribution into a ground. There's just no reason to wait this long. The distribution is a relatively simple one at that as individual packages are delivered straight off the shelf without patching, modification or integration. The simplicity of the system is the only thing going for it if you care to be totally hands on about every aspect of it. This includes packaging. Frankly I do prefer dealing with transparent tarballs over debs or rpms.
#2 Re: Devuan » Debian has fallen. What now? » 2020-09-21 17:04:52
It's not looking good. We need to ensure that systems remain open and egalitarian rather than those whose sole purpose is to gain critical mass. I believe the OSS community has incubated mistakes in the making. We've had around twenty years of a genuine shift towards and adoption of OSS. Too many applications and systems have attained critical mass and have thereby become rigid and inflexible to change. The situation seems untenable.
#3 Re: Devuan » Looking for a new system » 2020-09-21 16:55:07
I may be simplistic but I prefer to cut to the chase. If I understand correctly isn't systemd 246.5 part of Chimaera now?
The mission statement seems succinct enough to me:
Devuan GNU+Linux is a fork of Debian without systemd that allows users to reclaim control over their system by avoiding unnecessary entanglements and ensuring Init Freedom.
#4 Devuan » Looking for a new system » 2020-09-21 15:07:07
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I'm a Debian vet for the past eight years and recently having looked at my system I'm not sure I'm liking what I see. We all know why we're here and it's systemd. But looking at Devuan more closely I'm not entirely sure if it's a permanent answer to all the woes. I see in Chimaera that there is systemd already encroaching. Too many prominent applications have already introduced systemd as a dependency. Does Devuan actually have a future apart from stemming the tide from systemd for the time being? It doesn't look like it. One might as well use non-systemd dependent apps in a Debian system and be done with it. All that Devuan is doing is replicating Debian without systemd. Replication is a wasted effort with time and resources. I appreciate that the situation is not Devuan's fault but it's curious that application developers don't stay within their own turf.
The very nature of a system like Linux is to have parts of the system decoupled. When user applications have a dependency on the init of all things this is a terrible idea.
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