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#1 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan 2.0 ASCII Release Candidate » 2018-05-16 12:12:03
I have very bad news... Devuan did install non free software on my computer without asking 
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aptitude search ~i~s"non-free~|contrib"
i firmware-realtek - Binary firmware for Realtek wired/wifi/BT I'm using very precise hardware that I know can run well without closed source firmware, more precisely the Ethernet adapter. (I used Debian for ages for this reason, being fairly confident to have no closed source things installed). I don't know if this is because of the wifi or the other Ethernet adapter (that I can't physically remove.... maybe I should DIY a bit...), but the installed did that without my consent.
I'm reading a bit more about the issue now. It sounds like you have to use either the expert install, or the graphical install..., or that's a bug.
More here:
https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1984
Ha ha ha, the ID of the topic is...................1984 !!!
About my sources.list, I removed the contrib and non-free words as soon as I could (and the cdrom line), so the spacing may have changed, but it did look like this:
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# deb cdrom:[devuan_ascii_2.0.0-rc_amd64_cd-1]/ ascii main non-free
deb cdrom:[devuan_ascii_2.0.0-rc_amd64_cd-1]/ ascii main non-free
deb http://ch.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ch.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free
deb http://ch.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main contrib non-free
deb-src http://ch.deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main contrib non-freeThe very iso: devuan_ascii_2.0.0-rc_amd64_cd-1.iso
I hope it helps!
#2 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan 2.0 ASCII Release Candidate » 2018-05-16 10:37:35
Essikario wrote:Thank you so much for your work !
The only very very very bad thing is the use of "contrib" and "non-free" with the default install.
If we want to fight for freedom, we need to have to fight hard! Let's give up a small part, and they will take it all!My computer has one network devices which require non-free software (or slow), which I don't use but I can't remove, and also one that work with free software. So here is what is happening for me:
Debian: only free software (good) + systemd (bad)
Devuan: proprietary software (very very very bad)Where is Devuan installing contrib and/or non-free software without your explicit consent? Which install medium have you used? With which options? As we have repeatedly said, Devuan does not install any non-free software at all. It asks if you want to use contrib and/or non-free but this is the same as in Debian. The only non-free software available in the install media is non-free wifi firmware. And you are asked if you want to use it or not. If you discovered an unexpected behaviour in this respect, please file a bug report, providing detailed information about the install image you used, the options you selected at install time, and the specific non-free software you found installed in your Devuan system.
Please clarify your statement, and, please, just avoid to spread more FUD :-(
Regards
KatolaZ
Thank you for your answer, I'm sorry that I was not precise enough.
The shortest answer: I'm using Devuan exactly like I was using Debian.
But the result regarding sources.list is different, as the non-free and contrib keywords has been added.
A bit more in the details:
I put one iso (Ascii RC, amd64 cd1) to a thumb drive, run the installer (non graphical), and I was never asked about free or non free things.
Still my sources.list has non-free and contrib added.
For me removing systemd is one awesome step forward, but if I have a chance to unwillingly install one non-free software, this is ten steps backwards...
For this reason changing the default Debian behavior comes with great risks.
Having non-free wifi firmware in the installer sounds fair if the user is asked about.
Regards
#3 Re: News & Announcements » Devuan 2.0 ASCII Release Candidate » 2018-05-16 09:23:30
Thank you so much for your work !
The only very very very bad thing is the use of "contrib" and "non-free" with the default install.
If we want to fight for freedom, we need to have to fight hard! Let's give up a small part, and they will take it all!
My computer has one network devices which require non-free software (or slow), which I don't use but I can't remove, and also one that work with free software. So here is what is happening for me:
Debian: only free software (good) + systemd (bad)
Devuan: proprietary software (very very very bad)
My main reason for switching to Devuan is security... I was seriously shocked to see this mistake, I really had idea what Devuan was careful with security!
I guess there is so much work that you can't check every detail, so most important:
Thank you for the big work, you makes us free again !
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